Global Warming

[Henry Hawk]

Skeptical is fine. Denial is wrong.

She does say "IF...the climate models are right"

She doesn't claim they are wrong. and the more complete quote is "if we do not reduce emissions of greenhouse gases and the climate models are right, the planet as we know it will in this century become unsustainable."

No...those guys aren't climatologists. And I don't go to a proctologist to get my teeth cleaned. And I don't consult my family doctor for tax advice.

but your family doctor is NO heart specialist, but he CAN dedect a heart problem.........he is NO optimalogist, but he CAN tell you if your vision is bad....he is NO gynecologist but he COULD deliver a baby.........he is no proctologist, but he knows what to feel for in that area to detect a problem.........(by the way, I AM glad to hear that your proct Doc is NOT cleaning your teeth... )  

the bottom line is there are a lot of very intelligent folks out there that are NOT sold on the IPCC's findings........even THEY have admitted that their modeling systmes are not always accurate, but yet THAT is how they determined much of their claims....

they remind me of the chicken yelling the sky is falling....................maybe it is?..........but let's get it right before we jump in with both feet and sink BILLIONS of dollars on something..........heck we are already doing that with the BANKS and the AUTO-MAKERS.

[Bo D]

but your family doctor is NO heart specialist, but he CAN dedect a heart problem.........he is NO optimalogist, but he CAN tell you if your vision is bad....he is NO gynecologist but he COULD deliver a baby.........he is no proctologist, but he knows what to feel for in that area to detect a problem.........(by the way, I AM glad to hear that your proct Doc is NOT cleaning your teeth... )  

Man, you talk about bad analogy? At least a GP knows the human body. How can a rock hound claim to be an expert on the climate?

the bottom line is there are a lot of very intelligent folks out there that are NOT sold on the IPCC's findings........even THEY have admitted that their modeling systmes are not always accurate, but yet THAT is how they determined much of their claims....

Yet some of you are absolutely certain that they are wrong because some hack tells you they are.

[Bo D]

Based on hypothetical figures plugged into a computer by climatologists who were being paid to find certain results.   

Prove it.

[Henry Hawk]

Man, you talk about bad analogy? At least a GP knows the human body. How can a rock hound claim to be an expert on the climate?

Yet some of you are absolutely certain that they are wrong because some hack tells you they are.

No hack is telling me anything...........believe it or not.....I have done a great deal of research on this, because of this forum over the last few years...........and yes, I am a skeptic, but it is based upon the distrust that I have in the IPCC, the UN, the Kyoto Protocol and AL GORE...

Bo, I hope I am right and THEY are wrong...not so I can say "I told you so!!...I am just not sold that Man has dicked up the earth SO bad, that we only have less than 10-years to live here....per algore...

and my analogies probably ARE bad...but the jest IS.....those people are experts on issues that relate to one another in some shape or form.....and these guys understand the problem alot better than the average joe....so, when they talk, it is not like they are trying to clean your teeth or check your prostate out.....

[me]

Prove it.

Why should all the proof have to come from here yet we are supposed to just take your word for it?  You prove it wasn't hypothetical figures.  Both sides used a certain amount of hypothetical figures from the distant past with different results because different inputs were used.  Humans weren't around to cause the ice age so what makes anyone think we can stop the warming of the planet?  Would it be warming without us here at all because of the natural order of things?  Is it really happening that fast or are we just being duped by certain interests to gain money?  Yes, we can make the planet cleaner and stop being a throw away society that we have become and that will help make the air quality better and keep pollution down but do we really need to be panicked into spending billions or trillions of tax dollars?  Common sense will go further in the long run.  Quit buying from factories that pollute, they'll get the hint.  Quit changing furniture and carpeting on a whim and just to get new or keep up with the latest trends, get back to using nature to get rid of garden pests instead of chemicals, quit going to the Dr. to get the latest drug to cure something you "might" get and use natural things which won't pollute our water and don't come with a side effect warning that sometimes states things the drug could cause that are worse than what you're taking it to prevent or get rid of.  Stop and think a little for pete's sake.   

[Bo D]

Let me clarify.......

climatologists who were being paid to find certain results.   

Prove it.

[Bo D]

No hack is telling me anything...........believe it or not.....I have done a great deal of research on this, because of this forum over the last few years...........and yes, I am a skeptic, but it is based upon the distrust that I have in the IPCC, the UN, the Kyoto Protocol and AL GORE...

Bo, I hope I am right and THEY are wrong...not so I can say "I told you so!!...I am just not sold that Man has dicked up the earth SO bad, that we only have less than 10-years to live here....per algore...

and my analogies probably ARE bad...but the jest IS.....those people are experts on issues that relate to one another in some shape or form.....and these guys understand the problem alot better than the average joe....so, when they talk, it is not like they are trying to clean your teeth or check your prostate out.....

OK.. Henry. Just as an exercise...look up what will happen to the Gulf Stream if the Arctic Ice Sheet melts.

Hint...the result will be tropical weather for the eastern US (we will be able to gorw palm trees on the banks of the Potomac...heck, we can already grow banana trees here.) while western Europe will be locked in a deep freeze.

[me]

OK.. Henry. Just as an exercise...look up what will happen to the Gulf Stream if the Arctic Ice Sheet melts.

Hint...the result will be tropical weather for the eastern US (we will be able to gorw palm trees on the banks of the Potomac...heck, we can already grow banana trees here.) while western Europe will be locked in a deep freeze.

And they used to grow grapes in England but can't now because the climate is too cold so where's the global warming there? Check that out...

[Bo D]

And they used to grow grapes in England but can't now because the climate is too cold so where's the global warming there? Check that out...

OK.. Henry. Just as an exercise...look up what will happen to the Gulf Stream if the Arctic Ice Sheet melts.

Hint...the result will be tropical weather for the eastern US (we will be able to gorw palm trees on the banks of the Potomac...heck, we can already grow banana trees here.) while western Europe will be locked in a deep freeze.

Last time I checked England is part of western Europe.

[me]

Last time I checked England is part of western Europe.

But have you checked out how long it took for it to get to this point?  It was a bunch more than 10yrs.

[Bo D]

And they used to grow grapes in England but can't now because the climate is too cold so where's the global warming there? Check that out...

BTW, that part about not being able to grow grapes in England ... LIE!!!!!!

http://www.englishwineproducers.com/

"Englands vineyards are spread throughout the country, although the majority are still in the southern half of the counrty, there are more and more being planted further north"

[me]

BTW, that part about not being able to grow grapes in England ... LIE!!!!!!

http://www.englishwineproducers.com/

"Englands vineyards are spread throughout the country, although the majority are still in the southern half of the counrty, there are more and more being planted further north"

Ah, then England isn't cooling down and therefore that debunks any problem there.

Quote from: Bo D on Today at 05:23:23 PM
OK.. Henry. Just as an exercise...look up what will happen to the Gulf Stream if the Arctic Ice Sheet melts.

Hint...the result will be tropical weather for the eastern US (we will be able to gorw palm trees on the banks of the Potomac...heck, we can already grow banana trees here.) while western Europe will be locked in a deep freeze.

[Dexter Morgan]

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[me]

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  Ya gotta admit it's kept us occupied, off the streets, and out of our respective partners hair all day....hehehe

[Dexter Morgan]

It was gettin' pretty hot in here.  I thought a little diversion might be in order.