God was there...right?

[Dexter Morgan]

there is no rationalization Sandy....it is what it is.........according to scripture starting in Genisis.......we died to sin...things are what they are, we ALL have free will to choose or not choose, in His plan of salvation.........evil DOES exist....I think, God Does intervine according to His will......but, bad things WILL happen....not because He simply Allowed it to....it makes perfect sense, once you accept God for His word, and read what He is telling us...........it is NOT that complicating......the Bible has information in it that we need to know.....maybe we don't understand EVERYTHING in it....at least I don't, and don't pretend to, but the more I read it, the more I begin to understand the whole, BIG picture of things..........I, choose to follow the teachings that Christ defined to us, through the Holy Scriptures.........it is about eternity, not just the few moments of time that we are here......my life could NOT be any more clearer than it is right now..........and I give ALL the credit to God, for allowing me to understand His word...I wish EVERYONE could experience what I have...........but, that is just me.....I love this life, and I love the fact God has made His presence known to me.

Great post Henry. You see the bigger picture just like I do. Everything is connected by a common thread... be it good or evil. It's in the plan. Everything that happens is done by God's hands.... there is a reason for everything.

Case in point...... most people believe that suicide is going against God's plan. My friend Vica killed herself several months ago. I'm sure you remember that. My friend Kathy was very close to Vica, and was worried for Vica's soul. I told her nothing is done that isn't done by God's hand!!! He called her home to end her suffering. Her time on earth was done. He called her to a better place, and I'm sure there was forgiveness for her, and my friend should forgive her because it was his plan. I hope my take on this isn't offensive to anyone. I'm just stating what I believe. 

[dan foster]

there is no rationalization Sandy....it is what it is.........according to scripture starting in Genisis.......we died to sin...things are what they are, we ALL have free will to choose or not choose, in His plan of salvation.........evil DOES exist....I think, God Does intervine according to His will......but, bad things WILL happen....not because He simply Allowed it to....it makes perfect sense, once you accept God for His word, and read what He is telling us...........it is NOT that complicating......the Bible has information in it that we need to know.....maybe we don't understand EVERYTHING in it....at least I don't, and don't pretend to, but the more I read it, the more I begin to understand the whole, BIG picture of things..........I, choose to follow the teachings that Christ defined to us, through the Holy Scriptures.........it is about eternity, not just the few moments of time that we are here......my life could NOT be any more clearer than it is right now..........and I give ALL the credit to God, for allowing me to understand His word...I wish EVERYONE could experience what I have...........but, that is just me.....I love this life, and I love the fact God has made His presence known to me.

So, it is all Eve's fault, right?

[dan foster]

Great post Henry. You see the bigger picture just like I do. Everything is connected by a common thread... be it good or evil. It's in the plan. Everything that happens is done by God's hands.... there is a reason for everything.

Case in point...... most people believe that suicide is going against God's plan. My friend Vica killed herself several months ago. I'm sure you remember that. My friend Kathy was very close to Vica, and was worried for Vica's soul. I told her nothing is done that isn't done by God's hand!!! He called her home to end her suffering. Her time on earth was done. He called her to a better place, and I'm sure there was forgiveness for her, and my friend should forgive her because it was his plan. I hope my take on this isn't offensive to anyone. I'm just stating what I believe. 

I do think it a bit odd that you think god caused your friend to kill herself.  Do you really think that?

[Henry Hawk]

Great post Henry. You see the bigger picture just like I do. Everything is connected by a common thread... be it good or evil. It's in the plan. Everything that happens is done by God's hands.... there is a reason for everything.

Case in point...... most people believe that suicide is going against God's plan. My friend Vica killed herself several months ago. I'm sure you remember that. My friend Kathy was very close to Vica, and was worried for Vica's soul. I told her nothing is done that isn't done by God's hand!!! He called her home to end her suffering. Her time on earth was done. He called her to a better place, and I'm sure there was forgiveness for her, and my friend should forgive her because it was his plan. I hope my take on this isn't offensive to anyone. I'm just stating what I believe. 

I look at this way....we are ALL sinners....taking your own life can be just as sinful as, lying or coveting...and we are ALL guilty....I DO, think it is important that one developes a realtionship with God by accepting Christ.  God does love all of us, and wants nothing more than for us to love Him back and spend eternal life with Him....He knows how to bring us all to Him....some of us need MORE of Gods "plan" (so-to-speak) to finally "get it"....

this is just MY, opinion...based upon my conclusions of reading and studying.....

[Dexter Morgan]

I do think it a bit odd that you think god caused your friend to kill herself.  Do you really think that?

Dan, I believe that everything we do is but a stroke of God's brush on the canvas of life. The good and the bad. Things happen because it's in the plan. What we do is our destiny. You can't change your destiny because, it is controlled by a higher power. We're not suppose to know why things happen like they do but, everything has a reason, it's all connected. Weird huh?

[Dexter Morgan]

I look at this way....we are ALL sinners....taking your own life can be just as sinful as, lying or coveting...and we are ALL guilty....I DO, think it is important that one developes a realtionship with God by accepting Christ.  God does love all of us, and wants nothing more than for us to love Him back and spend eternal life with Him....He knows how to bring us all to Him....some of us need MORE of Gods "plan" (so-to-speak) to finally "get it"....

this is just MY, opinion...based upon my conclusions of reading and studying.....

I agree Henry. I think it is harder for some to see. I don't hold it against anybody though. Life experience as led me to believe in a higher power. I should have been dead many times but, there is a reason that I'm needed here. It hasn't been my time yet. We are but a piece in the puzzle which is God's plan. 

[awol]

  Dan, I believe that everything we do is but a stroke of God's brush on the canvas of life. The good and the bad. Things happen because it's in the plan. What we do is our destiny. You can't change your destiny because, it is controlled by a higher power. We're not suppose to know why things happen like they do but, everything has a reason, it's all connected. Weird huh?

do you wear your seatbelt?  is it because god is powerless against seatbelts?

[Dexter Morgan]

WTF.... powerless against seatbelts? Hell yeah I wear a seatbelt, it's illegal not to in Illinois. I guess I missed somethin' here. What's yer point?

seatbelt =God?

[Henry Hawk]

WTF.... powerless against seatbelts? Hell yeah I wear a seatbelt, it's illegal not to in Illinois. I guess I missed somethin' here. What's yer point?

seatbelt =God?

He is trying to say, that if you have faith in God...who needs seatbelts.............a typical response from somebody who simply does not get it, dex.

I would expect this from Dan, but not AWOL, I thought he had a better understanding of God than that.

[Dexter Morgan]

He is trying to say, that if you have faith in God...who needs seatbelts.............a typical response from somebody who simply does not get it, dex.

I would expect this from Dan, but not AWOL, I thought he had a better understanding of God than that.

Apparently not..... he doesn't understand the concept of when it's your time to go, it doesn't matter what you do. You can't change your destiny. I think acceptance of that is extremely hard for some people to deal with. I wish he wasn't so bitter... I tried to get him to come to some of the liter threads. 

[Henry Hawk]

Apparently not..... he doesn't understand the concept of when it's your time to go, it doesn't matter what you do. You can't change your destiny. I think acceptance of that is extremely hard for some people to deal with. I wish he wasn't so bitter... I tried to get him to come to some of the liter threads. 

i have been going back and forth with awol for a few years..........he DOES have great sense of humor.

[Dexter Morgan]

i have been going back and forth with awol for a few years..........he DOES have great sense of humor.

I tried to get Dan to come over to some of them too a while back. Maybe, we've got the Cooties? 

[dan foster]

  Dan, I believe that everything we do is but a stroke of God's brush on the canvas of life. The good and the bad. Things happen because it's in the plan. What we do is our destiny. You can't change your destiny because, it is controlled by a higher power. We're not suppose to know why things happen like they do but, everything has a reason, it's all connected. Weird huh?

And, I equally believe that nothing is behind the paint brush you allude to.  Nothing.  There is randomness and choices we make ourselves.  There is good and bad everywhere and not in some silly cosmic game between two beings that we just can't understand.  That "we just can't know 'his' will" is most fundamental cop out to religion.  Pathetic, really. 

You can believe, and I don't, but the outcome from our beliefs are exactly the same.  Toss a coin, throw some animal bones on the ground, count some tea leaves, or wave your hands in the air and sway back and forth to the tune of some old hymnal while singing "his" praises, but the outcome will ALWAYS be the same.  It is quite conceited that you think the creator of the universe gives two shiites what you do or don't do.  I guess I just don't have that kind of ego.

[Henry Hawk]

And, I equally believe that nothing is behind the paint brush you allude to.  Nothing.  There is randomness and choices we make ourselves.  There is good and bad everywhere and not in some silly cosmic game between two beings that we just can't understand.  That "we just can't know 'his' will" is most fundamental cop out to religion.  Pathetic, really. 

You can believe, and I don't, but the outcome from our beliefs are exactly the same.  Toss a coin, throw some animal bones on the ground, count some tea leaves, or wave your hands in the air and sway back and forth to the tune of some old hymnal while singing "his" praises, but the outcome will ALWAYS be the same.  It is quite conceited that you think the creator of the universe gives two shiites what you do or don't do.  I guess I just don't have that kind of ego.

that is only YOUR belief, NO science to PROVE it dan....   NONE, ZILCH, NADA....so, give it up...and quit BASHING, those who have it together...   let it go.

[Ghost of Jaco]

There is good and bad everywhere and not in some silly cosmic game between two beings that we just can't understand.

It is quite conceited that you think the creator of the universe gives two shiites what you do or don't do.

Ah! A tacit acknowledgement of a creator, and a firm stance in the Deist camp! Many of our founding fathers were deists, I understand.

I guess I just don't have that kind of ego.

HAHAHAHAHAHA -*SNORT* Now that is the funniest thing I have EVER seen you post, dan!
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