God was there...right?

[awol]

I would expect this from Dan, but not AWOL, I thought he had a better understanding of God than that.

probably a bit harsh the way i put it, but i'm just saying i'm not a fatalist.  lessons can be learned from those who go before us, otherwise it's just a big game of chance.  i can't wrap my head around that.

[Dexter Morgan]

And, I equally believe that nothing is behind the paint brush you allude to.  Nothing.  There is randomness and choices we make ourselves.  There is good and bad everywhere and not in some silly cosmic game between two beings that we just can't understand.  That "we just can't know 'his' will" is most fundamental cop out to religion.  Pathetic, really. 

You can believe, and I don't, but the outcome from our beliefs are exactly the same.  Toss a coin, throw some animal bones on the ground, count some tea leaves, or wave your hands in the air and sway back and forth to the tune of some old hymnal while singing "his" praises, but the outcome will ALWAYS be the same.  It is quite conceited that you think the creator of the universe gives two shiites what you do or don't do.  I guess I just don't have that kind of ego.

No ego here Dan. Why must you bash my beliefs? Have I bashed your's? HELL NO!!! There's no reason in the world for you to attack my beliefs Dan!!! I haven't attacked your's. You are the one who is self righteous, and egotistical... not I. I don't have to bash others to make myself feel good everyday.  YOU ARE DISMISSED!!! 

[dan foster]

that is only YOUR belief, NO science to PROVE it dan....   NONE, ZILCH, NADA....so, give it up...and quit BASHING, those who have it together...   let it go.

I am not offering any science to prove anything, but of course, neither can you.  Again, the outcome of our beliefs will always result in the same things and no matter how hard you believe, you can't change that or prove anything any different to me, or yourself.

[dan foster]

No ego here Dan. Why must you bash my beliefs? Have I bashed your's? HELL NO!!! There's no reason in the world for you to attack my beliefs Dan!!! I haven't attacked your's. You are the one who is self righteous, and egotistical... not I. I don't have to bash others to make myself feel good everyday.  YOU ARE DISMISSED!!! 

Whoa.  Where did I do any bashing?  I did say it was conceited to think the creator of the universe cares about you, or hank, at all, but I don't even consider that to be bashing.  So, where's that at?

[Dexter Morgan]

Whoa.  Where did I do any bashing?  I did say it was conceited to think the creator of the universe cares about you, or hank, at all, but I don't even consider that to be bashing.  So, where's that at?

Maybe it's your wording Dan. It isn't conceited to think that God cares about us. That's not conceit... it's BELIEF. I realize it's hard for some people to believe in things they can't see. That's where faith comes in. I'm totally accepting of other people's beliefs. Everybody has a right to believe in anything they want to, without being persecuted for it. I don't know what you believe in but, I hope you're very fulfilled by your belief. What works for some doesn't work for others. There is no right, and there is no wrong here. It is what it is.

[dan foster]

  Maybe it's your wording Dan. It isn't conceited to think that God cares about us. That's not conceit... it's BELIEF. I realize it's hard for some people to believe in things they can't see. That's where faith comes in. I'm totally accepting of other people's beliefs. Everybody has a right to believe in anything they want to, without being persecuted for it. I don't know what you believe in but, I hope you're very fulfilled by your belief. What works for some doesn't work for others. There is no right, and there is no wrong here. It is what it is.

Actually, it is more anthropomorphism than conceit that you believe the 'big guy" has your back.  Humans tend to see people everywhere and injecting one into the "heavens" to oversee your every need as a "heavenly father" is just more of the same.  Conceit?  Yes, but there is no way you could possibly see it that way as it is not on a personal level of conceit, but just a part of your psyche put there by your genes.

[Dexter Morgan]

Actually, it is more anthropomorphism than conceit that you believe the 'big guy" has your back.  Humans tend to see people everywhere and injecting one into the "heavens" to oversee your every need as a "heavenly father" is just more of the same.  Conceit?  Yes, but there is no way you could possibly see it that way as it is not on a personal level of conceit, but just a part of your psyche put there by your genes.

Dan, I have to ask you this.... do you believe in, or have faith in anything in life? Do you have any hope, or aspirations in your life? Do you believe in good and evil, and right and wrong? I'm sorry but you just seem sooo negative. Do you love anybody? Do you have strong feelings about anything other than not believing in God? I'm not tryin' to be mean, I would just kind of like to figure you out a little? 

[dan foster]

Dan, I have to ask you this.... do you believe in, or have faith in anything in life? Do you have any hope, or aspirations in your life? Do you believe in good and evil, and right and wrong? I'm sorry but you just seem sooo negative. Do you love anybody? Do you have strong feelings about anything other than not believing in God? I'm not tryin' to be mean, I would just kind of like to figure you out a little? 

Once again, I don't see how you read anything you asked me into my postings.  My disbelief in the supernatural has nothing to do with my life.  I can answer yes to everything you asked, except the concept of good and evil; I don't believe there is a god or a devil.  Also, where do you get the "sooo negative"?  I am pretty happy.  Ask me anything about anything else and I will tell you how I feel, but how is it you came to the ones you just asked?  Is it possible that someone that doesn't believe in god and jesus can be happy?  How can they have a happy life?  They have to be filled with hate to not believe in god?  You really need to ask yourself; how did I get to a place that I would believe such things?  I can only assume you believe that everyone in the world is going to hell that doesn't believe as you do.  Is that right?

Let's see how deep that runs; does anyone that does god's will go to heaven?

[Dexter Morgan]

Once again, I don't see how you read anything you asked me into my postings.  My disbelief in the supernatural has nothing to do with my life.  I can answer yes to everything you asked, except the concept of good and evil; I don't believe there is a god or a devil.  Also, where do you get the "sooo negative"?  I am pretty happy.  Ask me anything about anything else and I will tell you how I feel, but how is it you came to the ones you just asked?  Is it possible that someone that doesn't believe in god and jesus can be happy?  How can they have a happy life?  They have to be filled with hate to not believe in god?  You really need to ask yourself; how did I get to a place that I would believe such things?  I can only assume you believe that everyone in the world is going to hell that doesn't believe as you do.  Is that right?

Let's see how deep that runs; does anyone that does god's will go to heaven?

Well Dan.... no I don't think people that don't believe in God are evil or goin' to hell. As I said before...everybody has a right to believe in anything they want to. Do I think you're a bad person because you don't believe in God... NO!! I'm sure you are a very good person. Actually, I rather enjoy posting with you because, what you say makes me think. I think people who don't believe in God can have a happy existence... I didn't mean to imply otherwise. You just seem like a real serious guy, and you have heavy thoughts.... that isn't a bad thing in any sense of the word. You should join some of us idiots on the lighter threads!!! 

[dan foster]

  Well Dan.... no I don't think people that don't believe in God are evil or goin' to hell. As I said before...everybody has a right to believe in anything they want to. Do I think you're a bad person because you don't believe in God... NO!! I'm sure you are a very good person. Actually, I rather enjoy posting with you because, what you say makes me think. I think people who don't believe in God can have a happy existence... I didn't mean to imply otherwise. You just seem like a real serious guy, and you have heavy thoughts.... that isn't a bad thing in any sense of the word. You should join some of us idiots on the lighter threads!!! 

Oh.   

Perhaps it was just my "angry elf" moniker that lead you to believe I was unhappy.

[Dexter Morgan]

Oh.   

Perhaps it was just my "angry elf" moniker that lead you to believe I was unhappy.

LMAO!!! That must have been it. 

[dan foster]

LMAO!!! That must have been it. 

I do get angry, sometimes, but I am far from unhappy.

[Sandy Eggo]

This may be off topic or out of context, but...

I believe everyone runs the full gamut of emotions throughout the course of day to day life, but personally I don't believe a deity or lack of one is the reason, it's human nature. In fact, happiness is a choice. I'm not happy because of certain things or events, but rather because I choose to be. I think it's kind of callow to place the responsibility for personal happiness on any person, place or thing, much less a supernatural being.

[dan foster]

Life's what you make it, da da da, dum.  Can't really fake it, da da da dum.....-- Talk Talk

[Dexter Morgan]

This may be off topic or out of context, but...

I believe everyone runs the full gamut of emotions throughout the course of day to day life, but personally I don't believe a deity or lack of one is the reason, it's human nature. In fact, happiness is a choice. I'm not happy because of certain things or events, but rather because I choose to be. I think it's kind of callow to place the responsibility for personal happiness on any person, place or thing, much less a supernatural being.

You make your own happiness.... it's entirely up to every one of us to make our own.