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God was there...right?

Started by Sandy Eggo, December 03, 2008, 12:30:33 AM

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Sandy Eggo

QuoteSAN ANTONIO - A man who rammed his truck into a woman's vehicle on a highway early Friday told authorities he crashed into her while going more than 100 mph because God told him "she needed to be taken off the road."

The truck rear-ended the car on U.S. Highway 281, both vehicles spun across a median then came to a stop along a barrier in the opposite lanes. Both drivers suffered only minor injuries.

"He just said God said she wasn't driving right, and she needed to be taken off the road," Bexar County Sheriff's Office spokesman Kyle Coleman said in the online edition of the San Antonio Express-News. "God must have been with them, 'cause any other time, the severity of this crash, it would have been a fatal."

msn

The cop's response intrigued me. God was there to keep anyone from being seriously injured, yet everyone is probably treating this man like a nut because he said God spoke to him.  I would think that if you can believe one, you'd believe the other.
Only after the last tree has been cut down. Only after the last river has been poisoned. Only after the last fish has been caught. Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten. - -Cree Indian Prophecy

"Women who strive to be equal to men lack ambitition" -- anonymous

followsthewolf

Ya do somethin' like that and people think yer a nut 'cuz ya heard a voice in yer head tellin' ya ta do somethin' like 'at.

But, if ya go ta church and hear a voice in yer head, ever'body thinks yer somethin' special, 'cuz ya had a  "divine inspiration."

Religion is a convenient thing, eh?
Ignorance and fanaticism are ravenous. They require constant feeding.

Henry Hawk

I have been a "Christian"...for better than ten years now....I have NEVER heard voices in my head....I have not talked to anyone who has heard "voices" in their head....I have been inspired to react to certain situations or not to react to certain situations...by a stong conscience...I imagine MOST people have done the same thing....Christian or not Christian.

I feel, that my conscience is guided by the Holy Spirit and the flesh....i think the sinful nature that ALL humans have is by the flesh, and the nudge we ALL get to do what is taught by the "fruits of the spirit", is by a Holy Spirit that is recieved when we accept Christ...I'm not saying that you HAVE to have Christ to do good things...

to say that God had this guy do what he did, in my opinion, is NOT a Godly reaction...just my opinion....to do something stupid like ram someone at a high speed and assume God will keep everybody safe...is not being a sound minded steward of God, BUT, who knows....it IS amazing that no one DID get seriously hurt....was it just dumb-luck?....

for me, when I react to what I feel is the Holy Spirit, guiding my conscience.....I have a sense of peace that NO mater the out come, I will be okay, and I will become stronger in my walk....it has worked for me and my family, it has gotten us through some very serious situations, without "freaking out"....I have a strong amount of peace and joy through all situations, at least once I get my wit's about me, and realize who is in control....

anyway, I am rambling on....just reacting to my 'conscience'... ;) ;D
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

followsthewolf

We could have a beer. Or four. And have a discussion (as opposed to an argument).

Hope we get to do that sometime, Hank ol' boy.
Ignorance and fanaticism are ravenous. They require constant feeding.

Henry Hawk

Quote from: followsthewolf on December 03, 2008, 12:35:31 PM
We could have a beer. Or four. And have a discussion (as opposed to an argument).

Hope we get to do that sometime, Hank ol' boy.

FTW, I would LOVE to drink a few with you someday....who knows, the opportunity may arise someday.  I would NEVER   :no: argue with ANYBODY on religion...but I could have a heck of a disscussion... ;D  ...I love discussing religion and politics with others...as long as nobody gets TOO serious about it or gets nasty...then it's over for me.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Dexter Morgan

The guy is probably Schizophrenic. People with that disease always hear voices in their head telling them what to do. Many people with that disease think God speaks to them,and the government is out to get them, or spying on them. My Mom has it so I know a little bit about it. I'm more inclined to believe what the officer said.  :biggrin:
All that I am... all that I ever was... is here in your perfect eyes.... they're all I can see

~Chasing Cars by Snow Patrol~

dan foster

Quote from: Sandy Eggo on December 03, 2008, 12:30:33 AM
msn

The cop's response intrigued me. God was there to keep anyone from being seriously injured, yet everyone is probably treating this man like a nut because he said God spoke to him.  I would think that if you can believe one, you'd believe the other.

The same as the increase in religious activity after 9/11; wasn't religion and the belief in absolutely outrageous, insane stuff at least part of the cause of 9/11?  And yet, many "christians" turned to the church for answers and divine "protection" from the same kind of craziness.  Just doesn't make sense, but then, religion, by definition, cannot.  If it were intended to make sense, no one would believe it.  Just like if christians REALLY read the bible, they would no longer believe.
"Wherever morality is based on theology, wherever right is made dependent on divine authority, the most immoral, unjust, infamous things can be justified and established." -- Ludwig Feuerbach, The Essence of Christianity, 1841

"A bottle of wine contains more philosophy than all the books in the world" Louis Pasteur

"It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so." -- Sir Arthur C. Clarke

Sandy Eggo

According to the bible, god used to have conversations with people, so I find it kinda...humorous that people who claim to believe in the bible also believe that someone who claims they talked to god is crazy.
Only after the last tree has been cut down. Only after the last river has been poisoned. Only after the last fish has been caught. Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten. - -Cree Indian Prophecy

"Women who strive to be equal to men lack ambitition" -- anonymous

Sandy Eggo

Quote from: dan foster on December 03, 2008, 10:33:50 PM
The same as the increase in religious activity after 9/11; wasn't religion and the belief in absolutely outrageous, insane stuff at least part of the cause of 9/11?  And yet, many "christians" turned to the church for answers and divine "protection" from the same kind of craziness.  Just doesn't make sense, but then, religion, by definition, cannot.  If it were intended to make sense, no one would believe it.  Just like if christians REALLY read the bible, they would no longer believe.

I read somewhere that religious "belief" normally increases after a major tragedy, but I wonder what would make someone turn to the very thing that  if it exists, allowed the major tragedy to happen in the 1st place. I've asked that question and I've gotten a myriad of responses. Everything from the people who did it were evil, that it wasn't god....so that would mean evil is stronger than god? Of course not. Huh? Or god is our father and just like any other parent he has to teach us lessons....oh, I get it...so if your kid won't clean his room, you get a wrecking ball and break off his side of the house? Seriously, the attempts at rationalization of why god would allow these things to happen has me convinced that when religious people read their religious texts they're only seeing what they want to and block out the nagging voice that's telling them that it doesn't make sense.
Only after the last tree has been cut down. Only after the last river has been poisoned. Only after the last fish has been caught. Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten. - -Cree Indian Prophecy

"Women who strive to be equal to men lack ambitition" -- anonymous

dan foster

We have been "programmed" to discount that voice of reason in our heads, after all; "faith is believing when your SILLY common sense tells you not to"-- Miracle of 34th Street.
"Wherever morality is based on theology, wherever right is made dependent on divine authority, the most immoral, unjust, infamous things can be justified and established." -- Ludwig Feuerbach, The Essence of Christianity, 1841

"A bottle of wine contains more philosophy than all the books in the world" Louis Pasteur

"It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so." -- Sir Arthur C. Clarke

Dexter Morgan

Quote from: Sandy Eggo on December 03, 2008, 11:03:39 PM
According to the bible, god used to have conversations with people, so I find it kinda...humorous that people who claim to believe in the bible also believe that someone who claims they talked to god is crazy.
That I know of God has never spoken to me as a voice in my head. But, he has made his presence felt in my body. Believe me.... when he enters your body....you know it. It is the most overwhelming sense of warmth, love, and serenity. That said.... I do not go to church....and I have not read the Bible. I'm not a religious fanatic of any sort. I do not condemn others for their religious, or non religious beliefs. I keep God in my own way. I try to live a decent life with good intentions, and do unto others as I would have done to myself. I gotta be me!!!  :biggrin:
All that I am... all that I ever was... is here in your perfect eyes.... they're all I can see

~Chasing Cars by Snow Patrol~

Ghost of Jaco

Quote from: Dexter Morgan on December 03, 2008, 02:40:48 PM
The guy is probably Schizophrenic. People with that disease always hear voices in their head telling them what to do. Many people with that disease think God speaks to them,and the government is out to get them, or spying on them. My Mom has it so I know a little bit about it. I'm more inclined to believe what the officer said.  :biggrin:

Or vice-versa, lol!
"I contend that we are both religious. I just believe in one more god than you do. When you understand why you believe that a spontaneous "big bang" created all of time, space, and matter out of nothing, you will understand why I believe in a creator." -GoJ

Sandy Eggo

Only after the last tree has been cut down. Only after the last river has been poisoned. Only after the last fish has been caught. Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten. - -Cree Indian Prophecy

"Women who strive to be equal to men lack ambitition" -- anonymous

Dexter Morgan

All that I am... all that I ever was... is here in your perfect eyes.... they're all I can see

~Chasing Cars by Snow Patrol~

Henry Hawk

Quote from: Sandy Eggo on December 03, 2008, 11:17:41 PM
I read somewhere that religious "belief" normally increases after a major tragedy, but I wonder what would make someone turn to the very thing that  if it exists, allowed the major tragedy to happen in the 1st place. I've asked that question and I've gotten a myriad of responses. Everything from the people who did it were evil, that it wasn't god....so that would mean evil is stronger than god? Of course not. Huh? Or god is our father and just like any other parent he has to teach us lessons....oh, I get it...so if your kid won't clean his room, you get a wrecking ball and break off his side of the house? Seriously, the attempts at rationalization of why god would allow these things to happen has me convinced that when religious people read their religious texts they're only seeing what they want to and block out the nagging voice that's telling them that it doesn't make sense.

there is no rationalization Sandy....it is what it is.........according to scripture starting in Genisis.......we died to sin...things are what they are, we ALL have free will to choose or not choose, in His plan of salvation.........evil DOES exist....I think, God Does intervine according to His will......but, bad things WILL happen....not because He simply Allowed it to....it makes perfect sense, once you accept God for His word, and read what He is telling us...........it is NOT that complicating......the Bible has information in it that we need to know.....maybe we don't understand EVERYTHING in it....at least I don't, and don't pretend to, but the more I read it, the more I begin to understand the whole, BIG picture of things..........I, choose to follow the teachings that Christ defined to us, through the Holy Scriptures.........it is about eternity, not just the few moments of time that we are here......my life could NOT be any more clearer than it is right now..........and I give ALL the credit to God, for allowing me to understand His word...I wish EVERYONE could experience what I have...........but, that is just me.....I love this life, and I love the fact God has made His presence known to me.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW