This question has been tossed around the Talk Radio circuits....."What qualifications does Obama have to be the leader of the Free World?"
I am not anywhere near sold on anything that Obama has to offer, to be my chosen leader.....can anybody out there, enlighten me to even consider him to be the next President of the United States?
Same goes for Hillary, I don't see any outstanding record supporting her either. I think the press over-hyped both, and now that's what the Democrats are stuck with. There may have been better candidates, but we heard little, if anything, about them.
Obama might have a shot in 4 years, after gaining more experience.
It's all about change! :wink:
This is his 'slogan' but if anyone has a brain, it's easy to see that we are facing change. The current President or Vice President aren't candidates. We are going to be in for a change. duh! :rolleyes:
Quote from: BEG on February 29, 2008, 11:11:19 AM
It's all about change! :wink:
This is his 'slogan' but if anyone has a brain, it's easy to see that we are facing change. The current President or Vice President aren't candidates. We are going to be in for a change. duh! :rolleyes:
THAT is what I love about you beg.........you keep things simple and do not over anaylize them... ;)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 29, 2008, 10:41:05 AM
"What qualifications does Obama have to be the leader of the Free World?"
What qualifications did Bush have? Is sense a quality to lead the free world? I think Obama is so charismatic that the whole world will wish they were 'merican, even Islamic fashists...I mean fascists. Sarcastic mood today.
Quote from: Mr442 on February 29, 2008, 11:06:34 AM
Same goes for Hillary, I don't see any outstanding record supporting her either. I think the press over-hyped both, and now that's what the Democrats are stuck with. There may have been better candidates, but we heard little, if anything, about them.
Obama might have a shot in 4 years, after gaining more experience.
though i do not agree with him on the issues he supposedly stands for.........but, give him 4-more years and accomplish SOMETHING and you maybe right 442..he could be worth then.. :yes:
but as of now...........he is SO over-hyped as you stated.......the media just LOVES him to death...
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 29, 2008, 11:14:19 AM
THAT is what I love about you beg.........you keep things simple and do not over anaylize them... ;)
Yep, I'm a huge fan of KISS - keep it simple stupid. LOL :biggrin:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 29, 2008, 11:17:33 AM
but as of now...........he is SO over-hyped as you stated.......the media just LOVES him to death...
And for some reason I love him to death :smitten:...sarcasm again. It is pretty annoying, like trying to watch ESPN without hearing about steroids.
Quote from: IYT on February 29, 2008, 11:16:29 AM
What qualifications did Bush have? Is sense a quality to lead the free world? I think Obama is so charismatic that the whole world will wish they were 'merican, even Islamic fashists...I mean fascists. Sarcastic mood today.
like bush or not........he was at the least a sucessful Governor of the largest State in the Country...owned his own business'....had a resume' that blows obamas out of the water.......
remember.........TALK will only get you so far...............ACTIONS are stronger than WORDS........old school stuff, but they still apply today... :yes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 29, 2008, 11:20:42 AM
like bush or not........he was at the least a sucessful Governor of the largest State in the Country...
Alaska :confused:
Quote from: IYT on February 29, 2008, 11:16:29 AM
What qualifications did Bush have? Is sense a quality to lead the free world? I think Obama is so charismatic that the whole world will wish they were 'merican, even Islamic fashists...I mean fascists. Sarcastic mood today.
President Bush did have a record from being Govenor of Texas. Whatever you think about him, he at least showed what he had done in the past. We do not have that with Obama. We have a charismatic candidate stating platitudes.
Quote from: BEG on February 29, 2008, 11:25:28 AM
President Bush did have a record from being Govenor of Texas. Whatever you think about him, he at least showed what he had done in the past. We do not have that with Obama. We have a charismatic candidate stating platitudes.
You can look at his voting records as a Senator. I agree with you and Henry though, just playing the devil's advocate.
Quote from: Bo D on February 29, 2008, 11:25:03 AM
Alaska :confused:
THANKS BO!!... ;D
(i can always count on you to catch my mistakes) ;D
I mean the
2nd largest State.... ;)
Quote from: IYT on February 29, 2008, 11:27:20 AM
You can look at his voting records as a Senator.
and THAT would be......................WHAT? :confused:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 29, 2008, 11:20:42 AM
...owned his own business'
Really? He worked in his Family-Owned oil business for a while. Was part-owner of a baseball team...
Stellar job history there :rolleyes:
Quote from: IYT on February 29, 2008, 11:26:23 AM
How'd that turn out?
He still owned them...........he may not have been Donald Trump........but, at least he was in the market of making a living on his own....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 29, 2008, 11:32:35 AM
and THAT would be......................WHAT? :confused:
You know you can look that up yourself. I'm not defending his voting record, I'm just saying if you want to see how he has voted, what he stands for, etc., just look at how he's voted.
QuoteWhatever you think about him, he at least showed what he had done in the past. We do not have that with Obama.
I was just responding to this statement.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 29, 2008, 11:34:07 AM
He still owned them...........he may not have been Donald Trump........but, at least he was in the market of making a living on his own....
And that is an accomplishment that merits Presidential notice? Has Obama risen to fame through welfare and handouts...no hard work at all?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 29, 2008, 11:20:42 AM
had a resume' that blows obamas out of the water.......
head cheerleader
member of the secretive Skull and Bones society
accepted into the Texas Air National Guard despite only scoring in the 25th percentile on the pilot's written aptitude test,
applied to the University of Texas School of Law and was rejected
admitted to drinking "too much" in those years and described this period of his life as his "nomadic" period of "irresponsible youth".
On September 4, 1976, at the age of 30, Bush was arrested for driving under the influence of alcohol
Quote from: IYT on February 29, 2008, 11:36:05 AM
You know you can look that up yourself. I'm not defending his voting record, I'm just saying if you want to see how he has voted, what he stands for, etc., just look at how he's voted.
I was just responding to this statement.
I'm not jumpin on ya IYT...........I'm just responding also............I think this guy is getting a pass on his accomplishments (or lack of) simply because he can woo a crowd with cheap talk...............people are treating him like a rock star and he has not really done ANYTHING..........a three year old senator..........who only talks about CHANGE....THAT concerns me a lot....
Quote from: IYT on February 29, 2008, 11:36:05 AM
You know you can look that up yourself. I'm not defending his voting record, I'm just saying if you want to see how he has voted, what he stands for, etc., just look at how he's voted.
But that's what every Senator's job is - to vote. I can 'assume' he voted party-line. Woo Hoo - big deal! That doesn't mean he's qualified to be President. I think he should remain a Senator and pen a couiple of bills / laws so he can stand on those for the citizens to decide for or against - like McCain.
Bush's psuedo-Christian "talk" has been wooing right wing sheep for 8 years. Obama makes good points re: change and getting our country back on track. Your boy created this mess. The only point Dubby has is the top of his head. You better get used to the idea to the idea of Obama or McCain.
Quote from: PIYA on February 29, 2008, 12:03:07 PM
Bush's psuedo-Christian "talk" has been wooing right wing sheep for 8 years. Obama makes good points re: change and getting our country back on track. Your boy created this mess. The only point Dubby has is the top of his head. You better get used to the idea to the idea of Obama or McCain.
Bush NEVER wowed me with his Christian talk.........that is only dribble from the left that jumped all over him talking about his faith...
My point with obama is...............he talks about CHANGE and getting our country back on track, but has yet pointed out on HOW he is going to that.....
he says he will pull the troops out of Iraq within 3 months..................that will be change, but will it be for the GOOD or BAD.
he says he will raise taxes on the rich............................I'm not sold that will be for the GOOD.........
he says he will build bridges to unite the parties................but has not said what or how that will be done.......
he says things that sound hunky-dorie.......unicorns and rainbows..........but, has not even come CLOSE to convincing me that he can make this a better place....
and I have accepted McCain as my candidate............he has a track record of accomplishments and leadership skills, that FAR outway obamas....
BUT, I am going to stay focused this election..........and stay open-minded..........I think this country is in REAL need of leadership...
Quote from: BEG on February 29, 2008, 12:02:51 PM
But that's what every Senator's job is - to vote. I can 'assume' he voted party-line. Woo Hoo - big deal! That doesn't mean he's qualified to be President. I think he should remain a Senator and pen a couiple of bills / laws so he can stand on those for the citizens to decide for or against - like McCain.
I 100% agree with this point beg..............i think EVERYBODY should look at that point...............imo
Why do you even ask Henry? You're not going to vote for him and this thread isn't designed to change your mind. It's just another opportunity for you to parrot the same crap that Fox News is airing night after night.
Quote from: C91 on February 29, 2008, 12:34:48 PM
Why do you even ask Henry? You're not going to vote for him and this thread isn't designed to change your mind. It's just another opportunity for you to parrot the same crap that Fox News is airing night after night.
no it is not..............i TRULY want to try to understand why there is OBAMA-RAMA..............again, i don't wath fox news.........i got five kids.....it rarly makes it to anything of substance much beyond American Idol or Hannah Montana....
I think the so-called talking point that is being tossed out there are legitimate talking points.........just honest questions.... :yes:
and you are PROBABLY right.....i will not vote for him....just because he says he is going to make CHANGES....I'm NOT a big McCain fan either....but, I can at least understand his talk.
Nah, Hank.
You'll vote for any republican thrown out there.
McCain just happens to be the disappointing candidate.
Most ultra conservatives are now weeping silently for two-buck huck.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 29, 2008, 12:38:18 PM
and you are PROBABLY right.....i will not vote for him....just because he says he is going to make CHANGES....I'm NOT a big McCain fan either....but, I can at least understand his talk.
Are you kidding me? McCain's speeches are incredibly vague when it comes to the issues that most impact the American people.
He's already admitted he's no economic wizard. Is that the kind of guy we need running a country facing stagnant economic growth and $4 a gallon gasoline?
It is pretty clear he's a war-monger though. Perhaps that's the talk you understand.
Quote from: followsthewolf on February 29, 2008, 12:45:28 PM
Nah, Hank.
You'll vote for any republican thrown out there.
McCain just happens to be the disappointing candidate.
Most ultra conservatives are now weeping silently for two-buck huck.
two-buck huck is STILL better than the left has promoted........I have respect for dems like Dennis Kussinich and Joe Lieberman..........but, they don't have the liberal media behind them, so they never stood a chance......
McCain is more lib than conservative..........and I WILL vote for him, cuz all that is left is socialists...
It's more like a MOVEMENT.
And all can say is if Obama runs our country, I will have no clue about the direction of the 'movement'
But when I sit on the toilet I always know which way the crap is going. :eek:
Quote from: C91 on February 29, 2008, 12:45:54 PM
It is pretty clear he's a war-monger though. Perhaps that's the talk you understand.
what I DO understand is....you cant be a moron and tell the enemy that you want to pull troops out of a country within 3 months no mater what the circimstances are........
but, on the same hand.........Oabama says he is ready to drop bombs on Iran and Pakistan...is that war monger enough for you?
...but in the same breath...says, Iraq was not necessary......... :confused:
Quote from: BEG on February 29, 2008, 12:56:42 PM
It's more like a MOVEMENT.
And all can say is if Obama runs our country, I will have no clue about the direction of the 'movement'
But when I sit on the toilet I always know which way the crap is going. :eek:
Good Night BEG.........I have missed you..SOOOO much...... :smitten: again with the kiss thing... ;)
Quote from: Bo D on February 29, 2008, 11:32:52 AM
Really? He worked in his Family-Owned oil business for a while. Was part-owner of a baseball team...
Stellar job history there :rolleyes:
So true BO, is nothing more then a joke in my eyes and has really messed this country up big time. Will be glad to see him go. Only bad part about him leaving office is He has to come back to Texas, yuck. Can't we send HIM to Iraq?
Quote from: Bo D on February 29, 2008, 11:40:14 AM
head cheerleader
member of the secretive Skull and Bones society
accepted into the Texas Air National Guard despite only scoring in the 25th percentile on the pilot's written aptitude test,
applied to the University of Texas School of Law and was rejected
admitted to drinking "too much" in those years and described this period of his life as his "nomadic" period of "irresponsible youth".
On September 4, 1976, at the age of 30, Bush was arrested for driving under the influence of alcohol
WTG Bo you did it again. Gotta love BO.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 29, 2008, 01:02:24 PM
Oabama says he is ready to drop bombs on Iran and Pakistan...is that war monger enough for you?
That just shows that you're not paying attention Henry.
Politifact on Obama's urge to "bomb Pakistan" (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/367/)
As far as it being war-monger enough for me. We know that Pakistan is where Bin Laden is. He's not in Iraq. Perhaps we should be in Pakistan for 100 years and not Iraq as John McWar suggests.
Quote from: PIYA on February 29, 2008, 12:03:07 PM
Bush's psuedo-Christian "talk" has been wooing right wing sheep for 8 years. Obama makes good points re: change and getting our country back on track. Your boy created this mess. The only point Dubby has is the top of his head. You better get used to the idea to the idea of Obama or McCain.
You got that one right PIYA. On top of his little pin head to be exact. He is the worse President this country has EVER had, he evens makes Nixon look good.
Quote from: C91 on February 29, 2008, 01:08:50 PM
That just shows that you're not paying attention Henry.
http://www.socialistworker.org/2004-2/515/515_07_Obama.shtml (http://www.socialistworker.org/2004-2/515/515_07_Obama.shtml)
"surgical missile strikes" on Iran may become necessary.......barack obama
Hey, let's kill 'em all.
SOMEBODY'S god will sort it all out in the end.
O.K.?
Quote from: followsthewolf on February 29, 2008, 01:15:51 PM
Hey, let's kill 'em all.
SOMEBODY'S god will sort it all out in the end.
O.K.?
is it just me or am i picking up a TAD of sarcasm.........;) ;D
just you, hank
:razz: :wink:
Quote from: followsthewolf on February 29, 2008, 01:22:07 PM
just you, hank
:razz: :wink:
I'M SO LONELY!!!!......It's a cold world out here... :yes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 29, 2008, 01:13:33 PM
http://www.socialistworker.org/2004-2/515/515_07_Obama.shtml (http://www.socialistworker.org/2004-2/515/515_07_Obama.shtml)
"surgical missile strikes" on Iran may become necessary.......barack obama
Henry, that is stooping pretty dang low.
I found the original article from 2004 and NOWHERE does Mr. Obama mention "surgical missile strikes"
That is simply a fabrication of the writer.
However, I would think you would be in complete agreement of Mr. Obama's statement.
Obama would consider missile strikes on Iran
By David Mendell |Tribune staff reporter
September 25, 2004
U.S. Senate candidate Barack Obama suggested Friday that the United States one day might have to launch surgical missile strikes [
this is where your little phrase originated] into Iran and Pakistan to keep extremists from getting control of nuclear bombs.
Obama, a Democratic state senator from the Hyde Park neighborhood, made the remarks during a meeting Friday with the Tribune editorial board. Obama's Republican opponent, Alan Keyes, was invited to attend the same session but declined.
Iran announced on Tuesday that it has begun converting tons of uranium into gas, a crucial step in making fuel for a nuclear reactor or a nuclear bomb. The International Atomic Energy Agency has called for Iran to suspend all such activities.
Obama said the United States must first address Iran's attempt to gain nuclear capabilities by going before the United Nations Security Council and lobbying the international community to apply more pressure on Iran to cease nuclear activities. That pressure should come in the form of economic sanctions, he said.
But if those measures fall short, the United States should not rule out military strikes to destroy nuclear production sites in Iran, Obama said.
"The big question is going to be, if Iran is resistant to these pressures, including economic sanctions, which I hope will be imposed if they do not cooperate, at what point are we going to, if any, are we going to take military action?" Obama asked.
Given the continuing war in Iraq, the United States is not in a position to invade Iran, but missile strikes might be a viable option, he said. Obama conceded that such strikes might further strain relations between the U.S. and the Arab world.
"In light of the fact that we're now in Iraq, with all the problems in terms of perceptions about America that have been created, us launching some missile strikes into Iran is not the optimal position for us to be in," he said.
"On the other hand, having a radical Muslim theocracy in possession of nuclear weapons is worse. So I guess my instinct would be to err on not having those weapons in the possession of the ruling clerics of Iran. ... And I hope it doesn't get to that point. But realistically, as I watch how this thing has evolved, I'd be surprised if Iran blinked at this point."
As for Pakistan, Obama said that if President Pervez Musharraf were to lose power in a coup, the United States similarly might have to consider military action in that country to destroy nuclear weapons it already possesses. Musharraf's troops are battling hundreds of well-armed foreign militants and Pakistani tribesmen in increasingly violent confrontations.
Obama said that violent Islamic extremists are a vastly different brand of foe than was the Soviet Union during the Cold War, and they must be treated differently.
"With the Soviet Union, you did get the sense that they were operating on a model that we could comprehend in terms of, they don't want to be blown up, we don't want to be blown up, so you do game theory and calculate ways to contain," Obama said. "I think there are certain elements within the Islamic world right now that don't make those same calculations.
"... I think there are elements within Pakistan right now–if Musharraf is overthrown and they took over, I think we would have to consider going in and taking those bombs out, because I don't think we can make the same assumptions about how they calculate risks."
Quote from: BEG on February 29, 2008, 12:02:51 PM
But that's what every Senator's job is - to vote. I can 'assume' he voted party-line. Woo Hoo - big deal! That doesn't mean he's qualified to be President. I think he should remain a Senator and pen a couiple of bills / laws so he can stand on those for the citizens to decide for or against - like McCain.
I'm not saying he's qualified to be president (although I think he would do a fine job). I'm just saying I don't think Bush really had any accomplishments either, at least that merited him to be POTUS. But alas this thread isn't about Bush, so my points are moot. I agree with both of you. Clinton/Obama 2008, although I'd rather have seen Paul/Kucinich. :biggrin:
Bo, I actualy DO agree with his statements................but, it appears he is speaking out of both sides of his mouth....
was against Iraq.........but in favor of bombing Pakistan.....for very similiar reasons...
Quote from: IYT on February 29, 2008, 01:34:11 PM
...although I'd rather have seen Paul/Kucinich. :biggrin:
YIKES!!! :eek:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 29, 2008, 01:37:23 PM
was against Iraq.........but in favor of bombing Pakistan.....for very similiar reasons...
Such as?
We knew Osama wasn't in Iraq...well I say that. I don't sh!t except what they tell me.
Quote from: BEG on February 29, 2008, 01:38:48 PM
YIKES!!! :eek:
That's the kind of open minded, twisted, happy soul my tag name suggests...if you remember from the old forum.
Quote from: IYT on February 29, 2008, 01:34:11 PM
I'd rather have seen Paul/Kucinich. :biggrin:
ya know....though I do not agree with either of them on MOST issues......i like both of them on thier cander.... Paul has many good ideas, especially economicly..............and Kucinich, has very much passion on his beliefs, and I don't think he is drivin by polls like the Clintons....what you see is what you get........I think he has integrity, but he IS WAY out there on some of his issues...as far as I'm concerned....
but, it would not be the end of the world if they were to be elected...
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 29, 2008, 12:11:28 PM
I think this country is in REAL need of leadership...
This we agree on, because the country has been without for 8 years.
Quote from: BEG on February 29, 2008, 12:02:51 PM
But that's what every Senator's job is - to vote. I can 'assume' he voted party-line. Woo Hoo - big deal! That doesn't mean he's qualified to be President. I think he should remain a Senator and pen a couiple of bills / laws so he can stand on those for the citizens to decide for or against - like McCain.
There's no need to "assume" his voting record when you can find it here: http://www.votesmart.org/index.htm
Quote from: PIYA on February 29, 2008, 10:51:25 PM
There's no need to "assume" his voting record when you can find it here: http://www.votesmart.org/index.htm
Oh I know. I just haven't had or taken the time to look into it Obama's voting record and that's why I said 'assume'. That way no one could jump on me for stating it like it was a fact and he voted with the republicans on an issue. I guess I was just CYA. :smile:
Okay, but wouldn't you want to know what his voting record is before you make an important decision such as who you want to support as a president? The voting record is an excellent measure between what he says and what he's done. That's really all we have for any of them.