Who thinks it is okay, for Government to legislate what we can or cannot eat, such as fast foods, for health reasons?
not ok with me.
Me either, but I do think that the gov't should oversee the requirement that the food industry provides the consumer with nutritional info so that we can make informed choices. Which they do. :smile: (psst, typo on the word "question") misspelled)
Quote from: PIYA on October 17, 2007, 11:44:33 AM
Me either, but I do think that the gov't should oversee the requirement that the food industry provides the consumer with nutritional info so that we can make informed choices. Which they do. :smile: (psst, typo on the word "question") misspelled)
whoops!! thanks... ;)
That is a good one Piya, though I'm not sure the Gov has to be the one to oversee it...
Maybe not, but there has to be a point of accountability and enforcement so that there is compliance to the preset standard. Otherwise they'll do what they want and the consumer is unprotected. Would private industry be able to establish that type of authority? And who would they answer to?
I think it's just plain sad that we (as a nation) have become so nutritionally challenged that the govt feels the need to enforce fast food efforts! :rolleyes:
Quote from: tallulahdahling on October 17, 2007, 12:55:01 PM
I think it's just plain sad that we (as a nation) have become so nutritionally challenged that the govt feels the need to enforce fast food efforts! :rolleyes:
I'm probably the most nutritionally challenged person here. :biggrin: The way I see it is this..... If you don't want to eat junk, don't go to fast food restaurants. It's as simple as that. Why should everybody be forced to eat the same things others eat. When McDonald's cut the supersized fry out of the menu, people bought a large and a small. I was working at one at the time. Whats been accomplished there? McDonald's made a lot of money, and the fat people stayed fat or got fatter LOL!!! We have had soo many of our rights stripped away it's ridiculous. :no:
Why not the government? My wife does. And how to sit, and how to dress, and not to pick my nose etc etc etc
Quote from: Zhi on October 17, 2007, 11:05:53 PM
Why not the government? My wife does. And how to sit, and how to dress, and not to pick my nose etc etc etc
;D That's funny.
Quote from: Zhi on October 17, 2007, 11:05:53 PM
Why not the government? My wife does. And how to sit, and how to dress, and not to pick my nose etc etc etc
:think: Well... picking your nose in public is a bit uncouth, but picking your seat would be much worse LOL!!! Is there a law on the books about these situations? :biggrin:
"Fidel Castro wants Barack Obama to succeed. Fidel Castro wanted George Bush to fail. What does that tell you?"
That Castro is a better judge of character than you? :biggrin: Although I'm curious to know how you know what Castro wants.
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on April 09, 2009, 10:15:42 AM
That Castro is a better judge of character than you? :biggrin: Although I'm curious to know how you know what Castro wants.
because he said so...The aging, ailing, cigar-smoking icon Fidel Castro (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/04/congressional-caucus-members-meet-with-the-castro-cousins-in-cuba.html)had three members of Congress visit with him today in Havana, which resulted in the bearded one asking, "How can we help President Obama?" In an effort to improve the relationship between Cuba and the U.S., Reps. Barbara Lee (D-Oakland), Bobby L. Rush (D-Ill.) and Emanuel Cleaver II (D-Mo.) were the first U.S. officials to meet with the 82-year-old former dictator since his intestinal surgery in July 2006.
I see your point, an improved relationship between Cuba and the US would be disastrous! :rolleyes:
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on April 09, 2009, 10:45:06 AM
I see your point, an improved relationship between Cuba and the US would be disastrous! :rolleyes:
you still did not anwer the quetion....
He is a dictator....and has ruled his country by HIS choice....relations could have improved decades ago..IF, he was NOT a communist dictator...
the world is just fine with or without Cuba....it is just sad, that the cuban people had to live the way they did, because of ONE tyrant....HE wants things HIS way...despite what is best for the people...
For someone who claims that you want LESS government it's amazing to me that you think OUR government should dictate how he runs HIS country. But to answer your quesion, if he really said that and means it, perhaps he'll be willing to make some positive changes. I still fail to see how this is a bad thing.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 17, 2007, 09:40:31 AM
Who thinks it is okay, for Government to legislate what we can or cannot eat, such as fast foods, for health reasons?
You are on a very slippery slope. If the government has no authority to legislate what we eat for health reasons, they can't disallow the sale of peanuts and pistachios tainted with salmonella nor can they prevent the sale of meat from animals that died of mad cow disease. What about drugs? If you don't want the goverment interfering in what food you put into your body should they be able to control what else we may ingest?
I find it interesting that you scream to the heavens about government interference when it affects your ability to shove another quarter pounder down your throat or when they're trying to fix the economy but believe government interference is warranted in deciding what a woman should do with
her body and
her pregnancy.
Quote from: Exterminator on April 09, 2009, 12:32:08 PM
You are on a very slippery slope. If the government has no authority to legislate what we eat for health reasons, they can't disallow the sale of peanuts and pistachios tainted with salmonella nor can they prevent the sale of meat from animals that died of mad cow disease. What about drugs? If you don't want the goverment interfering in what food you put into your body should they be able to control what else we may ingest?
I find it interesting that you scream to the heavens about government interference when it affects your ability to shove another quarter pounder down your throat or when they're trying to fix the economy but believe government interference is warranted in deciding what a woman should do with her body and her pregnancy.
with a human life in her.....THAT is the one and only difference for me.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 09, 2009, 12:50:18 PM
with a human life in her.....THAT is the one and only difference for me.
Neither science nor the law consider a zygote a human life but that notwithstanding, I'm sure that you would agree that happy meals should be banned since most of the people they are purchased for are innocent children who are too young to understand that the garbage they are being fed could ultimately shorten their lifespans?
Quote from: Exterminator on April 09, 2009, 01:05:14 PM
Neither science nor the law consider a zygote a human life but that notwithstanding, I'm sure that you would agree that happy meals should be banned since most of the people they are purchased for are innocent children who are too young to understand that the garbage they are being fed could ultimately shorten their lifespans?
eating a happy meal has NEVER proven to hurt anyone.....a zygote IS a stage of human life..there is NO arguement about that...
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 09, 2009, 01:15:31 PM
eating a happy meal has NEVER proven to hurt anyone...
You're high; obesity is as big a health problem in this country now as smoking and certainly the health issues associated with it are far greater than those you claim in another thread from not being circumcized.
Quote..a zygote IS a stage of human life..there is NO arguement about that...
No, a zygote is a stage of any life...humans, puppies, kittens, roaches, and yes, even the cows you eat in your happy meal. Does the commandment say, "thou shalt not kill," or, "thou shalt not kill people (unless they're non-whites and you can make a case for WMD's and whatnot)"?
Quote from: Exterminator on April 09, 2009, 01:34:38 PM
You're high; obesity is as big a health problem in this country now as smoking and certainly the health issues associated with it are far greater than those you claim in another thread from not being circumcized.
hell yeah obesity is a problem...because people eat too damn much....eating
a happy meal is NOT the problem....eating two of them every day for years and years
may be....eating too much of mom's home cooking can be a problem too....should we outlaw mom's home cooking?..
Quote from: Exterminator on April 09, 2009, 01:34:38 PM
No, a zygote is a stage of any life...humans, puppies, kittens, roaches, and yes, even the cows you eat in your happy meal. Does the commandment say, "thou shalt not kill," or, "thou shalt not kill people (unless they're non-whites and you can make a case for WMD's and whatnot)"?
don't pollute the question.....you said that science does not consider a zygote a human life....I digress...it IS 'life'...in it's earliest stage...but it IS life.
actually, this topic was supposed to be about Castro....this question you brought up was posed in 2007... :redface: it was digging through my old threads and found this one, to pose my new question...
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 09, 2009, 01:47:32 PM
hell yeah obesity is a problem...because people eat too damn much....eating a happy meal is NOT the problem....eating two of them every day for years and years may be....eating too much of mom's home cooking can be a problem too....should we outlaw mom's home cooking?..
You're being intentionally obtuse; it is well documented that much of our obesity problem stems directly from fast food and soft drinks and you know it.
Quotedon't pollute the question.....you said that science does not consider a zygote a human life....I digress...it IS 'life'...in it's earliest stage...but it IS life.
And that your morality as it relates to revering such life only extends to humans is pretty shallow, IMO.
Quote from: Exterminator on April 09, 2009, 01:54:00 PM
You're being intentionally obtuse; it is well documented that much of our obesity problem stems directly from fast food and soft drinks and you know it.
fast food and soft drinks are a small portion of the problem......I believe it has more to do with the lack of exercise...do we now need laws to force everyone to exercise?.........people have GOT to be accountable for themselves..and their families...NOT gov's place...which has NOTHING to do with an innocent unborn baby that a mother decides to have it's brains sucked out because she doesn't FEEL like being a mother at that point in time of her life.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 09, 2009, 02:02:48 PM
fast food and soft drinks are a small portion of the problem......I believe it has more to do with the lack of exercise...
Certainly, a combination of caloric intake and inactivity combine to cause obesity but to say that fast food and soft drinks aren't high in calories is ridiculous. In countries where these things are not as predominant, obesity isn't anywhere near what it is here regardless of activity levels. Are you aware that the consumption of an average of one soda per day raises the probability that a child will be obese as an adult by 10%?
Quotedo we now need laws to force everyone to exercise?.........people have GOT to be accountable for themselves..and their families...NOT gov's place...which has NOTHING to do with an innocent unborn baby that a mother decides to have it's brains sucked out because she doesn't FEEL like being a mother at that point in time of her life.
So what you're saying is that everyone should be accountable for him/herself unless it offends your peculiar religious beliefs.
Quote from: Exterminator on April 09, 2009, 02:29:05 PM
So what you're saying is that everyone should be accountable for him/herself unless it offends your peculiar religious beliefs.
Nope, just saying it is NOT right to kill an unborn baby...because a man and woman, again, does NOT want to be held accountable for having unprotected sex, or was simply being careless.
Quote from: Exterminator on April 09, 2009, 02:29:05 PM
but to say that fast food and soft drinks aren't high in calories is ridiculous.
where did I say that?
btw, there are a lot of calories in mom's chocolate chip cookies....should THAT be under scrutiny?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 09, 2009, 02:36:24 PM
Nope, just saying it is NOT right to kill an unborn baby...because a man and woman, again, does NOT want to be held accountable for having unprotected sex, or was simply being careless.
Most don't believe that it's a baby so preventing someone from aborting it would be forcing
your beliefs on others. That's the issue.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 09, 2009, 02:38:19 PM
where did I say that?
btw, there are a lot of calories in mom's chocolate chip cookies....should THAT be under scrutiny?
Your argument might not be so ridiculous if there was a cookie machine every 50 feet and Rickers was selling buckets of them.
Quote from: Exterminator on April 09, 2009, 02:42:36 PM
Your argument might not be so ridiculous if there was a cookie machine every 50 feet and Rickers was selling buckets of them.
so are you saying, If I decided to sell .. "mom's cookies" and put a booth on every block in marion county....the gov should step in, and make me STOP?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 09, 2009, 02:49:01 PM
so are you saying, If I decided to sell .. "mom's cookies" and put a booth on every block in marion county....the gov should step in, and make me STOP?
No and no one is suggesting the government step in and stop making anyone stop selling soft drinks or fast food either so all you are doing is stacking one ridiculous argument on top of another. I did hear a discussion on the news last night, however, about taxing soft drinks to both decrease their consumption and help offset the healthcare cost associated with obesity and I don't consider the possibility any more unreasonable than taxing cigarettes or alcohol.
Good luck with your cookie machines...the fact of the matter is that few people are going to sit around eating one cookie after another all day long whereas lots of people drink one soda after another all day long.
Quote from: Exterminator on April 09, 2009, 03:03:39 PM
No and no one is suggesting the government step in and stop making anyone stop selling soft drinks or fast food either so all you are doing is stacking one ridiculous argument on top of another. I did hear a discussion on the news last night, however, about taxing soft drinks to both decrease their consumption and help offset the healthcare cost associated with obesity and I don't consider the possibility any more unreasonable than taxing cigarettes or alcohol.
Good luck with your cookie machines...the fact of the matter is that few people are going to sit around eating one cookie after another all day long whereas lots of people drink one soda after another all day long.
I don't believe that the gov really care's about the heath of individuals when the so-called.."sin" tax...on alcohol and tobacco, is to get people to quit...they are doing it to generate revenue?....
why is it anybodys business if someone WANT's to drink cokes all day long?....
maybe the should start a 'skydiving' tax....
where does it stop?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 09, 2009, 03:11:17 PM
why is it anybodys business if someone WANT's to drink cokes all day long?....
When their fat ass is encroaching on my seat in an airplane, it's
my business.
Quotemaybe the should start a 'skydiving' tax....
I assure you that a portion of every jump ticket I purchase helps to defray various fees and taxes imposed on general aviation and on fuel tax.
Quotewhere does it stop?
It doesn't.
Quote from: Exterminator on April 09, 2009, 03:18:46 PM
When their fat ass is encroaching on my seat in an airplane, it's my business.
WRONG...fat people have the same constitutional rights as you do...don't like it....don't fly.
Quote from: Exterminator on April 09, 2009, 03:18:46 PM
I assure you that a portion of every jump ticket I purchase helps to defray various fees and taxes imposed on general aviation and on fuel tax.
yeah, but that does NOT cover the 20 deaths every year due to skydiving.....maybe we should just outlaw skydiving to SAVE those twenty souls... :razz: (
said with very much sarcasm)
Quote from: Exterminator on April 09, 2009, 03:18:46 PM
It doesn't.
awww...but it may well, very soon (http://www.teapartyday.com/) ;)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 09, 2009, 03:26:41 PM
WRONG...fat people have the same constitutional rights as you do...don't like it....don't fly.
Please refer me to the clause in the Constitution that says that if your fat ass takes up two seats on an airplane you still only have to pay for one.
Quoteyeah, but that does NOT cover the 20 deaths every year due to skydiving.....maybe we should just outlaw skydiving to SAVE those twenty souls... :razz: (said with very much sarcasm)
I'm sure that more electricians than that are electrocuted on the job every year; should we close down your shop? How about people who die just because they were doing something stupid; should we have prevented their parents from breeding (not that it's a bad idea)?
Did you say tea party?
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Quote from: Exterminator on April 09, 2009, 03:39:00 PM
Please refer me to the clause in the Constitution that says that if your fat ass takes up two seats on an airplane you still only have to pay for one.
Please refer me to the clause in the Constitution where fat people cannot fly?
btw....i agree with you that this IS a problem....but not a constituional problem....it is more of a Airline problem...
Quote from: Exterminator on April 09, 2009, 03:39:00 PM
should we have prevented their parents from breeding (not that it's a bad idea)?
dang, every once in a darn while, we DO agree... :biggrin:
Quote from: Exterminator on April 09, 2009, 03:39:00 PM
Did you say tea party?
Yep!! ... and I will give you a full report next week, after I attend the one downtown Indy... ;)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 09, 2009, 03:49:39 PM
Please refer me to the clause in the Constitution where fat people cannot fly?
It's simple physics! :biggrin:
Quotedang, every once in a darn while, we DO agree... :biggrin:
Yes, occasionally even you get it right. :razz:
QuoteYep!! ... and I will give you a full report next week, after I attend the one downtown Indy... ;)
Tell your buddy with the 'moran' sign I said hi.
Quote from: Exterminator on April 09, 2009, 04:10:57 PM
Tell your buddy with the 'moran' sign I said hi.
will do!..
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Good night Sam... :razz:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 09, 2009, 03:26:41 PM
WRONG...fat people have the same constitutional rights as you do...don't like it....don't fly.
HH, have you ever been on a plane and had someone else's flab oozing over into your seat that you paid for? I fly a lot and I think the airline's policies regarding two seats for overweight people is a good one. I don't want anyone's flab in my seat. :rant:
Quote from: Locutus on April 09, 2009, 04:45:59 PM
HH, have you ever been on a plane and had someone else's flab oozing over into your seat that you paid for? I fly a lot and I think the airline's policies regarding two seats for overweight people is a good one. I don't want anyone's flab in my seat. :rant:
yes I have been a victim before.....and I said earlier, that it SHOULD be an airline policy, I just said it is not unconstitutional...