http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/living/education/16772114.htm (http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/living/education/16772114.htm)
Donna Brewer says she didn't expect that her son's Abington public school would be like a Christian school, but she never figured she'd get tangled up in a federal lawsuit over whether he could dress up as Jesus for Halloween.
Brewer claims in a federal lawsuit filed this week that her son was told he could not walk in the school's Halloween parade dressed as Jesus, with a white robe and a homemade paper crown symbolizing the crown of thorns.
"What shocked me is how anti-Jesus it turned out to be," said Brewer, whose 10-year-old son enrolled in the district's Willow Hill Elementary School last fall after attending Christian schools.
"I didn't ask for this battle," she added. "I enrolled my child in school like anyone else this year. I just felt like as a human being, I had to take a stand."
Well...considering they worship Satan, what do you expect? :biggrin:
Quote from: IYT IYT IYT on March 01, 2007, 08:56:21 AM
Well...considering they worship Satan, what do you expect? :biggrin:
EXACTLY!!!.. ;D
Did they all go "Booogity, Booogity"?
On the other hand, where's Pat Robertson?
Quote from: IYT IYT IYT on March 01, 2007, 09:48:39 AM
On the other hand, where's Pat Robertson?
Counting his money.
I think, this is another double standard, if this had been a boy dressed up like a muslim and was thrown out...how quick do you think the ACLU would react?
and preparing his next Christians for stronger nuclear armament speech
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 01, 2007, 10:14:46 AM
I think, this is another double standard, if this had been a boy dressed up like a muslim and was thrown out...how quick do you think the ACLU would react?
I see your point...the ACLU doesn't care about Jesus, they're a secular organization who sponsors terror and you don't like them... :biggrin:
I think it seems a little disrespectful to play dress up as Jesus. Anyone else feel that way?
how do you do that anyway?
noone knows for sure what he looks like.
Quote from: Gryphon on March 01, 2007, 10:18:58 AM
I think it seems a little disrespectful to play dress up as Jesus. Anyone else feel that way?
Why would you find it disrespectful, when you do not believe in him anyway, do you?
Lets not dodge my question...
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 01, 2007, 10:43:48 AM
Why would you find it disrespectful, when you do not believe in him anyway, do you?
what gave you that idea?
Quote from: Gryphon on March 01, 2007, 10:18:58 AM
I think it seems a little disrespectful to play dress up as Jesus. Anyone else feel that way?
Nope, couldn't care less...unless he/she started preaching.
Quote from: mustang sally on March 01, 2007, 10:37:39 AM
how do you do that anyway?
noone knows for sure what he looks like.
no one knows what the devil looks like, but that is okay to dress up like during halloween...
Quoteno one knows what the devil looks like
Dick Clark
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 01, 2007, 11:05:27 AM
do you?
Not the politicized, judgemental, holier than thou version that seems to be all the rage lately. ;)
Quote from: IYT IYT IYT on March 01, 2007, 11:15:24 AM
Dick Clark
lmao...thanks, just spit coffee on my screen........ ;D
Quote from: Gryphon on March 01, 2007, 11:17:10 AM
Not the politicized, judgemental, holier than thou version that seems to be all the rage lately. ;)
Now, now, Gryph. We all need our touchstone versions to support our greed and power maneuvers.
Make one to fit the situation, don't 'cha know?
:biggrin: :biggrin:
Quote from: IYT IYT IYT on March 01, 2007, 11:15:24 AM
Dick Clark
And all this time I thought it was George Burns
Quote from: Gryphon on March 01, 2007, 10:18:58 AM
I think it seems a little disrespectful to play dress up as Jesus. Anyone else feel that way?
I would not find it disrespectful, if he was dressed as he was portrayed through scripture,....If somebody was dressed like Jesus, with intent to be disrespectful, then I probably think so...
Quote from: followsthewolf on March 01, 2007, 11:22:00 AM
And all this time I thought it was George Burns
that was His dad...
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The boy contends that he wanted to make a statement about his Christian beliefs and his opposition to the pagan aspects of Halloween. While he was told to change his costume, other children were allowed to dress as devils and goblins, the suit said.
A suggestion could very well be made that this whole case has far less to do with the "boy" and his beliefs, and much more to do about the agenda of his mother.
Quote from: ? on March 01, 2007, 12:37:07 PM
A suggestion could very well be made that this whole case has far less to do with the "boy" and his beliefs, and much more to do about the agenda of his mother.
The point is, where is the ACLU, had this been, like I said, a boy dressed up like a 'Muslim', I'm sure there would be a lawsuit filed immediatly.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 01, 2007, 12:46:32 PM
The point is, where is the ACLU, had this been, like I said, a boy dressed up like a 'Muslim', I'm sure there would be a lawsuit filed immediatly.
That's simply supposition on your part. The ACLU has an extensive record of defending Christians.
Quote from: ? on March 01, 2007, 12:48:26 PM
That's simply supposition on your part. The ACLU has an extensive record of defending Christians.
Okay, lets see it?
how do you "dress up like a Muslim". black suit, white shirt and black tie? islamic people in my neighborhood dress like everyone else.
Henry, heres a few cases based on a quick google:
QuoteRecent ACLU involvement in religious liberty cases include:
September 20, 2005: ACLU of New Jersey joins lawsuit supporting second-grader's right to sing "Awesome God" at a talent show.
August 4, 2005: ACLU helps free a New Mexico street preacher from prison.
May 25, 2005: ACLU sues Wisconsin prison on behalf of a Muslim woman who was forced to remove her headscarf in front of male guards and prisoners.
February 2005: ACLU of Pennsylvania successfully defends the right of an African American Evangelical church to occupy a church building purchased in a predominantly white parish.
December 22, 2004: ACLU of New Jersey successfully defends right of religious expression by jurors.
December 14, 2004: ACLU joins Pennsylvania parents in filing first-ever challenge to "Intelligent Design" instruction in public schools.
November 20, 2004: ACLU of Nevada supports free speech rights of evangelists to preach on the sidewalks of the strip in Las Vegas.
November 12, 2004: ACLU of Georgia files a lawsuit on behalf of parents challenging evolution disclaimers in science textbooks.
November 9, 2004: ACLU of Nevada defends a Mormon student who was suspended after wearing a T-shirt with a religious message to school.
August 11, 2004: ACLU of Nebraska defends church facing eviction by the city of Lincoln.
July 10, 2004: Indiana Civil Liberties Union defends the rights of a Baptist minister to preach his message on public streets.
June 9, 2004: ACLU of Nebraska files a lawsuit on behalf of a Muslim woman barred from a public pool because she refused to wear a swimsuit.
June 3, 2004: Under pressure from the ACLU of Virginia, officials agree not to prohibit baptisms on public property in Falmouth Waterside Park in Stafford County.
May 11, 2004: After ACLU of Michigan intervened on behalf of a Christian Valedictorian, a public high school agrees to stop censoring religious yearbook entries.
March 25, 2004: ACLU of Washington defends an Evangelical minister's right to preach on sidewalks.
February 21, 2003: ACLU of Massachusetts defends students punished for distributing candy canes with religious messages.
October 28, 2002: ACLU of Pennsylvania files discrimination lawsuit over denial of zoning permit for African American Baptist church.
July 11, 2002: ACLU supports right of Iowa students to distribute Christian literature at school.
April 17, 2002: In a victory for the Rev. Jerry Falwell and the ACLU of Virginia, a federal judge strikes down a provision of the Virginia Constitution that bans religious organizations from incorporating.
January 18, 2002: ACLU defends Christian church's right to run "anti-Santa" ads in Boston subways.
and heres an interesting site
http://www.aclufightsforchristians.com/
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 01, 2007, 12:49:49 PM
Okay, lets see it?
< Yawn >
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NATCHITOCHES, LA - The American Civil Liberties Union of Louisiana today announced a federal court's decision in its free speech lawsuit on behalf of Christian protester Edwin Crayton, whose rights were violated by Natchitoches' unconstitutional permit requirements.
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NEWARK, NJ - The American Civil Liberties Union of New Jersey today praised a decision by U.S. District Court Judge Freda L. Wolfson protecting the religious expression rights of students. The court held that a Frenchtown Elementary School student had the right to sing the song "Awesome God" at a school talent show. The ACLU of New Jersey submitted a friend-of-the-court brief in support of the student.
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ATLANTA - The American Civil Liberties Union of Georgia today filed a federal lawsuit on behalf of the Tabernacle Community Baptist Church, charging that the city of East Point, Georgia violated a federal religious discrimination law when it denied the church a zoning permit needed to establish its house of worship.
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PROVIDENCE, RI -- The American Civil Liberties Union of Rhode Island announced today that it has filed an appeal in federal court on behalf of a Christian prisoner who was barred from preaching during religious services at the state prison.
....and the list just goes on, and on, and on. Perhaps a little more research and a little less spoon feeding by the Fox News channel would do you some good. :wink:
....and the list just goes on, and on, and on. Perhaps a little more research and a little less spoon feeding by the Fox News channel would do you some good. :wink:
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That would require a giant step back, a major sit-down, and a re-adjusting of thought patterns; all of which is not likely to happen.
How convienient to go to a web-site that is soley set up for this arguement, and has a few cases to brag about....
it is quite clear that the ACLU has a public agenda to make the United States become an atheist nation...they leave no stone unturned to remove Christian prayer, the cross of Jesus Christ, the Christmas Nativity, the Ten Commandments, and all other visible signs of Christianity from every aspect of American life.....
FoxNews has nothing to do with my beliefs, it is my Christian convictions that tells me that there much more to the ACLU than 'civil liberties'....starting with the fact they are founded by prominent members of the Council on Foreign Relations (the domestic organization of New World Order advocates), and the Communist Party of America.....
Quote from: followsthewolf on March 01, 2007, 01:18:35 PM
....and the list just goes on, and on, and on. Perhaps a little more research and a little less spoon feeding by the Fox News channel would do you some good. :wink:
That would require a giant step back, a major sit-down, and a re-adjusting of thought patterns; all of which is not likely to happen.
thanks... :no:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 01, 2007, 01:31:56 PM
How convienient to go to a web-site that is soley set up for this arguement, and has a few cases to brag about....
it is quite clear that the ACLU has a public agenda to make the United States become an atheist nation...they leave no stone unturned to remove Christian prayer, the cross of Jesus Christ, the Christmas Nativity, the Ten Commandments, and all other visible signs of Christianity from every aspect of American life.....
FoxNews has nothing to do with my beliefs, it is my Christian convictions that tells me that there much more to the ACLU than 'civil liberties'....starting with the fact they are founded by prominent members of the Council on Foreign Relations (the domestic organization of New World Order advocates), and the Communist Party of America.....
what difference does it make where the info came from? Those cases DID happen, proving what he said--that the ACLU is standing up for Christians all the time. And why shouldnt all the things you mentioned be removed from public life? You'd be screaming to high heaven, Id wager, if it were symbols of a relgion other than yours on display at every courthouse. Have Christians become to weak in faith that they have to have a little reminder of him on every doorstep?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 01, 2007, 01:31:56 PM
How convienient to go to a web-site that is soley set up for this arguement, and has a few cases to brag about....
Are you disputing that the cases cited occurred?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 01, 2007, 01:31:56 PM
it is quite clear that the ACLU has a public agenda to make the United States become an atheist nation...they leave no stone unturned to remove Christian prayer, the cross of Jesus Christ, the Christmas Nativity, the Ten Commandments, and all other visible signs of Christianity from every aspect of American life.....
LOL! You must be privy to some internal memos or policy statements of the ACLU. Please post the information that shows objective proof that the ACLU is trying to make the US an atheist nation. The position of the ACLU on protecting religious freedom is quite clear. That position is that everyone's right to practice whatever religion they so choose is best protected by keeping the government out of it.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 01, 2007, 01:31:56 PM
FoxNews has nothing to do with my beliefs, it is my Christian convictions that tells me that there much more to the ACLU than 'civil liberties'....starting with the fact they are founded by prominent members of the Council on Foreign Relations (the domestic organization of New World Order advocates), and the Communist Party of America.....
I would suggest that therein lies the problem. When religious convictions enter into the picture, they are often based on little, if any, facts.
this country was founded to be a nation where religion is not a factor in law. generally on these issues the ACLU attempts to remind the courts and legislatures of that fact. and don't tell me about how are laws are based on the "judeo-christian ethic" no doubt about it. but the fact that laws HAVE been made based on religous beliefs doesn't make it proper. separation of church and state is not so that you (or anyone else) can worship and believe freely, it is so you (or anyone else) can't oppress someone elses right to worship and believe freely. there is a distinction there. and that's why you see the ACLU active on these issues.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 01, 2007, 01:32:46 PM
thanks... :no:
Just saying that most people have their thought patterns deeply established by this time in their lives. To alter them would take a life-changing event which would cause a rethinking of base "truths."
That's not likely to happen.
So it makes these discussions intellectual exercises, at best. No one is going to change his/her mind about any of this.
No offense intended, just stating factually what I've learned and observed over 40+ years of dealing with people.