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Title: Anyone Else Had Enough of American Capitalism?
Post by: Y on February 17, 2019, 08:54:31 PM
I find it totally corrupt, and it corrupts everything it touches - government, society, religion (which is bad enough on its own), the population.

There's no reason to allow this system to continue unchecked.

I'll also consider any supported differing points of view on this proposition.
Title: Re: Anyone Else Had Enough of American Capitalism?
Post by: The Troll on February 18, 2019, 03:40:54 PM

  Capitalism is alright if it is controlled.  The present system is predatory capitalism.  Controlled by the super rich and the greedy corporations which has no morals, no allegiance to the country where it is formed.  Godless and immoral to the bones of the corporation.  The bottom line is all it care about and human workers are to be burnt up and spit out to serve the masters.  :rant:

  Franklin Roosevelt got us out of the greatest depression cause by greedy capitalist who controlled Herbert Hoover.  We had a great middle class and thing were going really good for the American people until Ronald Reagan and Newt Gingrich with is Contract for America which was to kill unions, do away with Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.  Controls over the stock market and banks.  Just look what Ronald Reagan and Newt Gingrich has brought to the middle class.  The Rich 1% owns 86% of all the money in the world.  A fine kettle of fish the Republican Party has brought to the people of America. :angry:  We can make America great again, But Not With Donald Trump the biggest liar, crook and thief America has ever seen and the evil Republican Party.  Fuck Trump and the Republican Party.  :trustme:
Title: Re: Anyone Else Had Enough of American Capitalism?
Post by: Y on February 18, 2019, 09:46:34 PM
Quote from: The Troll on February 18, 2019, 03:40:54 PM
  Capitalism is alright if it is controlled.

I agree with you, and it must be strictly controlled.

Of course, I see socialism or communism as probably better economic systems for society.
Title: Re: Anyone Else Had Enough of American Capitalism?
Post by: me on February 19, 2019, 01:47:52 PM
If you owned a business would you like the government to control it for you?
Title: Re: Anyone Else Had Enough of American Capitalism?
Post by: The Troll on February 19, 2019, 03:00:03 PM
Quote from: me on February 19, 2019, 01:47:52 PM
If you owned a business would you like the government to control it for you?

  It sounded like you could have had some help with your business when you went bankrupt.  :huh1:
Title: Re: Anyone Else Had Enough of American Capitalism?
Post by: me on February 19, 2019, 06:45:11 PM
Quote from: The Troll on February 19, 2019, 03:00:03 PM
  It sounded like you could have had some help with your business when you went bankrupt.  :huh1:
I didn't go bankrupt I closed up because I got tired of working harder than the people who worked for me and making less money than they did because I tried to be fair with them and they didn't appreciate it. And that, dear sir, is exactly why government in your business is why socialism won't work because they want companies to "share the wealth". If a business owner can't make more than their employee's they just close up shop and everyone loses.
Title: Re: Anyone Else Had Enough of American Capitalism?
Post by: AbbyTC on February 19, 2019, 07:26:17 PM
Quote from: me on February 19, 2019, 06:45:11 PM
I didn't go bankrupt I closed up because I got tired of working harder than the people who worked for me and making less money than they did because I tried to be fair with them and they didn't appreciate it. And that, dear sir, is exactly why government in your business is why socialism won't work because they want companies to "share the wealth". If a business owner can't make more than their employee's they just close up shop and everyone loses.

What type of business did you run?  Why did you continue to make less money than your employees when they didn't appreciate what you were doing?  That makes no sense to me.  I'm all for for being fair, but if I'm working harder than someone else, my wages better show it. And if I have employees that aren't working hard, then they definitely wouldn't be paid more than me.  Sounds more like you let them take advantage of you.
Title: Re: Anyone Else Had Enough of American Capitalism?
Post by: Locutus on February 19, 2019, 07:32:58 PM
Quote from: me on February 19, 2019, 01:47:52 PM
If you owned a business would you like the government to control it for you?

WHOOSH!!!!  Right over your head as usual.   :rolleyes:

I think there is a ton of evidence that unbridled capitalism is certainly not in the best interest of you, and the rest of the hoi polloi, that are on the receiving end of its results. 
Title: Re: Anyone Else Had Enough of American Capitalism?
Post by: me on February 19, 2019, 10:52:56 PM
Quote from: AbbyTC on February 19, 2019, 07:26:17 PM
What type of business did you run?  Why did you continue to make less money than your employees when they didn't appreciate what you were doing?  That makes no sense to me.  I'm all for for being fair, but if I'm working harder than someone else, my wages better show it. And if I have employees that aren't working hard, then they definitely wouldn't be paid more than me.  Sounds more like you let them take advantage of you.
It was a car detail/used car sales and I furnished all the supplies and tools for the job and split the take. I am a worker and so I knew how hard it was and when the person tipped I gave the employee 3/4 of the tip if we both worked on the car but they got the whole thing if they did it. Dumb on my part I know but money isn't the be all end all with me. I also had 11 rental properties which I maintained myself with the help of one other person so I was quite busy. We did cars for an auto auction plus 8 car lots as well as had regulars we did once a week and drive in's. I also picked up and delivered for some of the regulars and a couple of the car lots so needless to say my days were quite busy since we did the full details even on rainy days. I was able to pay the bills for supplies and make the payment on the building so I wasn't thinking about the part where I wasn't making anything for myself until, when I was doing 1099's, I noticed how much I had been paying out for help and doing the end of the year take for the shop and realized I had made less profit than I had paid my employees. One employee started talking to me like I was hired help so I fired him and a few months later the other one started drinking again, he was a reformed alcoholic, and I caught him drinking on the job so I just reached the end of my rope and closed it down. He was a great detail man but if he had messed up someones car while buffing it that would have cost me for repairs so I had no choice.  Oh, the employees chose for me not to deduct tax's.
Title: Re: Anyone Else Had Enough of American Capitalism?
Post by: The Troll on February 20, 2019, 09:21:22 AM

  Oh he was a great detail man, but he drank.   :beers:  The answer to that is to carry insurance.   :yes:  When I had my plumbing business, I carried a million dollar liability insurance policy.  For customers like you.   :yes:
Title: Re: Anyone Else Had Enough of American Capitalism?
Post by: AbbyTC on February 20, 2019, 12:49:58 PM
Quote from: me on February 19, 2019, 10:52:56 PM
....I was able to pay the bills for supplies and make the payment on the building so I wasn't thinking about the part where I wasn't making anything for myself until, when I was doing 1099's, I noticed how much I had been paying out for help and doing the end of the year take for the shop and realized I had made less profit than I had paid my employees.... Oh, the employees chose for me not to deduct tax's.

You never looked at your finances on a monthly basis?  You waited until EOY to discover this?  I have never heard of a business owner doing that.  They keep on top of what is going on. I understand being busy, but this sounds more like you have no business sense, especially the part where "the employees chose for me not to deduct tax's".  Why did you let the employees decided how to run your business?  This makes no sense to me. 

What happened to your 11 rentals? 
Title: Re: Anyone Else Had Enough of American Capitalism?
Post by: Anne on February 20, 2019, 07:38:52 PM
Quote from: Y on February 18, 2019, 09:46:34 PM
Of course, I see socialism or communism as probably better economic systems for society.

Why?
Title: Re: Anyone Else Had Enough of American Capitalism?
Post by: me on February 21, 2019, 10:21:41 AM
Quote from: The Troll on February 20, 2019, 09:21:22 AM

  Oh he was a great detail man, but he drank.   :beers:  The answer to that is to carry insurance.   :yes:  When I had my plumbing business, I carried a million dollar liability insurance policy.  For customers like you.   :yes:

I had insurance but the drinking was affecting his work and I just didn't want to take a chance on him ruining someones paint job while buffing or any number of other things that may have happened. If you would have allowed someone who drank on the job to continue to work for you just because you had insurance that's wrong.

Quote from: AbbyTC on February 20, 2019, 12:49:58 PM
You never looked at your finances on a monthly basis?  You waited until EOY to discover this?  I have never heard of a business owner doing that.  They keep on top of what is going on. I understand being busy, but this sounds more like you have no business sense, especially the part where "the employees chose for me not to deduct tax's".  Why did you let the employees decided how to run your business?  This makes no sense to me. 

What happened to your 11 rentals? 
Like I said money isn't the be all and end all with me and I had so much going on I just didn't look at the bottom line since I was making money. Poor business sense, maybe, but I'm not the type of person to sit back while others work and wouldn't ask anyone to do something I wouldn't do myself. My biggest mistake was looking at myself as a coworker rather than an owner/boss.
Sold them since I was getting too old to put up with having that many properties to maintain. Yes, I had help but I was a hands on type of person and did the cleaning, some painting, minor repairs, and general upkeep myself. I met some great people over the 30 plus years and am still friends with some but the bad tenants were a real pita.
Title: Re: Anyone Else Had Enough of American Capitalism?
Post by: Y on February 21, 2019, 03:06:26 PM
Quote from: me on February 19, 2019, 01:47:52 PM
If you owned a business would you like the government to control it for you?

As a member of society, would you want your government to turn a blind eye to business as so often happens?

To put it bluntly, you are saying you're OK with business screwing society left, right, and sideways as we are reminded practically daily in the news.

As far as I'm concerned, business has a social responsibility to act ethically - the social contract - and yet capitalism ignores ethics and social responsibility for the almighty profits.
Title: Re: Anyone Else Had Enough of American Capitalism?
Post by: Y on February 21, 2019, 03:10:07 PM
Quote from: Locutus on February 19, 2019, 07:32:58 PM
WHOOSH!!!!  Right over your head as usual.   :rolleyes:

I think there is a ton of evidence that unbridled capitalism is certainly not in the best interest of you, and the rest of the hoi polloi, that are on the receiving end of its results.

Yup!

We see that evidence practically daily in the news.  Prescription drugs are prime example.
Title: Re: Anyone Else Had Enough of American Capitalism?
Post by: Y on February 21, 2019, 03:26:19 PM
Quote from: Anne on February 20, 2019, 07:38:52 PM
Why?

Personally, I don't think you give a whit, especially as the answers should be patently obvious.

Anyway, here's a simple explanation.

Capitalism is anti-social; a predatory economic system based on benefiting the one and or the elite.  Socialism and Communism are social economic systems based on benefiting society or the many.

Now if you're setting up a society, do you want to promote an economic system that pits everyone against each other, or an economic system that promotes everyone in that society generally for the best outcome for everyone?

Anyway, people can probably guess your answer.
Title: Re: Anyone Else Had Enough of American Capitalism?
Post by: me on February 21, 2019, 05:48:19 PM
I ask again. If you had a business would you want the government telling you how to run it? The only people who profit in a Socialistic society are the government elite not the people.
Title: Re: Anyone Else Had Enough of American Capitalism?
Post by: Anne on February 22, 2019, 08:44:53 PM
Quote from: Y on February 21, 2019, 03:26:19 PM
Personally, I don't think you give a whit, especially as the answers should be patently obvious.

Anyway, here's a simple explanation.

Capitalism is anti-social; a predatory economic system based on benefiting the one and or the elite.  Socialism and Communism are social economic systems based on benefiting society or the many.

Now if you're setting up a society, do you want to promote an economic system that pits everyone against each other, or an economic system that promotes everyone in that society generally for the best outcome for everyone?

Anyway, people can probably guess your answer.
Personally, I don't care what you think about me. But are you talking about socialism as it applies to social security as in healthcare, personal well being or as it applies to economics? Which countries do you consider socialist?
Title: Re: Anyone Else Had Enough of American Capitalism?
Post by: Y on February 23, 2019, 08:12:08 PM
Quote from: me on February 21, 2019, 05:48:19 PM
I ask again. If you had a business would you want the government telling you how to run it? The only people who profit in a Socialistic society are the government elite not the people.

Society has to be protected from predators.  It's exactly why we form societies.  Otherwise, it's anarchy - 'nature red in tooth and claw' - and that's coming from a former anarchist.

You should stop talking about Socialism because making such statements only show you know nothing about it except the American capitalistic propaganda you've been spoon fed your entire life.

The capitalists have manipulated American society to fear and abhor any economic system that isn't in their predatory interests.
Title: Re: Anyone Else Had Enough of American Capitalism?
Post by: Y on February 23, 2019, 08:15:47 PM
Quote from: Anne on February 22, 2019, 08:44:53 PM
Personally, I don't care what you think about me. But are you talking about socialism as it applies to social security as in healthcare, personal well being or as it applies to economics? Which countries do you consider socialist?

You really should read and pay attention:

Quote from: Y on February 21, 2019, 03:26:19 PM
Anyway, here's a simple explanation.

Capitalism is anti-social; a predatory economic system based on benefiting the one and or the elite.  Socialism and Communism are social economic systems based on benefiting society or the many.

Now if you're setting up a society, do you want to promote an economic system that pits everyone against each other, or an economic system that promotes everyone in that society generally for the best outcome for everyone?
Title: Re: Anyone Else Had Enough of American Capitalism?
Post by: Exterminator on February 25, 2019, 12:22:25 PM
On point: Major Study Finds The US Is An Oligarchy (https://www.businessinsider.com/major-study-finds-that-the-us-is-an-oligarchy-2014-4)
Title: Re: Anyone Else Had Enough of American Capitalism?
Post by: me on February 25, 2019, 01:16:14 PM
Quote from: Y on February 23, 2019, 08:12:08 PM
Society has to be protected from predators.  It's exactly why we form societies.  Otherwise, it's anarchy - 'nature red in tooth and claw' - and that's coming from a former anarchist.

You should stop talking about Socialism because making such statements only show you know nothing about it except the American capitalistic propaganda you've been spoon fed your entire life.

The capitalists have manipulated American society to fear and abhor any economic system that isn't in their predatory interests.
How did Socialism work out for Valenzuela?
Title: Re: Anyone Else Had Enough of American Capitalism?
Post by: Exterminator on February 25, 2019, 01:44:00 PM
Quote from: me on February 25, 2019, 01:16:14 PM
How did Socialism work out for Valenzuela?

How's it working out for Germany, France, Sweden, Denmark, Great Britain, Japan, Australia, Italy, Canada, Norway, Spain, Finland, Ireland, Belgium, New Zealand, Austria, Switzerland or the Netherlands?
Title: Re: Anyone Else Had Enough of American Capitalism?
Post by: Palehorse on February 26, 2019, 12:28:31 AM
Quote from: me on February 25, 2019, 01:16:14 PM
How did Socialism work out for Valenzuela?

Fernando?
Title: Re: Anyone Else Had Enough of American Capitalism?
Post by: Exterminator on February 26, 2019, 09:11:41 AM
Quote from: Palehorse on February 26, 2019, 12:28:31 AM
Fernando?

LMAO!  I had missed that.  I wasn't even aware the Phillipines was socialist.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Anyone Else Had Enough of American Capitalism?
Post by: me on February 26, 2019, 01:21:05 PM
Venezuela (typo)
Quote from: me on February 25, 2019, 01:16:14 PM
How did Socialism work out for Valenzuela?
Title: Re: Anyone Else Had Enough of American Capitalism?
Post by: Exterminator on February 27, 2019, 07:45:35 AM
Quote from: me on February 26, 2019, 01:21:05 PM
Venezuela (typo)

Yeah, sure.

I noticed you're avoiding the question about all of the other countries I mentioned?
Title: Re: Anyone Else Had Enough of American Capitalism?
Post by: me on February 27, 2019, 10:40:41 PM
Not too well in most of them.

Democratic Socialist Countries 2019
    Armenia
    Bolivia, Brazil
    Croatia
    Denmark
    Ecuador
    Finland, France
    Germany, Greenland
    Iceland, Ireland, Italy
    Luxembourg
    Moldova
    Netherlands, Nicaragua, Northern Ireland, Norway
    Peru, Portugal
    Serbia, Slovenia, Sweden
    Tunisia, Turkey
    UK
    Venezuela

Of these nations, the countries that have a socialist party that serves as a governing party are:

    Armenia
    Bolivia
    Ecuador
    Iceland
    Nicaragua
    Northern Ireland
    Portugal
    Serbia
    Venezuela
Quote from: me on February 25, 2019, 01:16:14 PM
How did Socialism work out for Valenzuela?
Title: Re: Anyone Else Had Enough of American Capitalism?
Post by: Exterminator on February 28, 2019, 11:02:41 AM
Socialist party and socialist economic system are not the same thing.

That notwithstanding, Venezuela has devolved into a de facto dictatorship.
Title: Re: Anyone Else Had Enough of American Capitalism?
Post by: Y on February 28, 2019, 06:26:47 PM
Quote from: Exterminator on February 25, 2019, 12:22:25 PM
On point: Major Study Finds The US Is An Oligarchy (https://www.businessinsider.com/major-study-finds-that-the-us-is-an-oligarchy-2014-4)

Oh say it ain't so, Joe!

We haven't been duped, and the game hasn't been rigged!

</sarcasm>
Title: Re: Anyone Else Had Enough of American Capitalism?
Post by: Y on February 28, 2019, 06:35:50 PM
Quote from: Exterminator on February 28, 2019, 11:02:41 AM
Socialist party and socialist economic system are not the same thing.

That notwithstanding, Venezuela has devolved into a de facto dictatorship.

These morons don't have the slightest clue concerning the difference between an economic system and a government/political system.

You're dead on about Venezuela and it's political system.

It's the same way they blame Communism/Socialism (the economic systems) for the problems in/with Russia/USSR instead of it's political system - a dictatorship.
Title: Re: Anyone Else Had Enough of American Capitalism?
Post by: Exterminator on March 01, 2019, 01:21:10 PM
Quote from: Y on February 28, 2019, 06:35:50 PM
These morons don't have the slightest clue concerning the difference between an economic system and a government/political system.

You're dead on about Venezuela and it's political system.

It's the same way they blame Communism/Socialism (the economic systems) for the problems in/with Russia/USSR instead of it's political system - a dictatorship.

:yes:
Title: Re: Anyone Else Had Enough of American Capitalism?
Post by: Y on March 04, 2019, 09:14:29 PM
LOL!  The Drumpfites don't want to talk about economic systems any more.   :biggrin:
Title: Re: Anyone Else Had Enough of American Capitalism?
Post by: Anne on March 08, 2019, 01:20:15 PM
Quote from: Y on February 23, 2019, 08:15:47 PM
You really should read and pay attention:

Do you want a socialist country like Denmark, Norway or some others that have a basically free market economy and strong social programs with high taxes or a "true" socialist country where the government controllers most if not all of the economy?
Title: Re: Anyone Else Had Enough of American Capitalism?
Post by: Y on March 11, 2019, 02:24:12 PM
Quote from: Anne on March 08, 2019, 01:20:15 PM
Do you want a socialist country like Denmark, Norway or some others that have a basically free market economy and strong social programs with high taxes or a "true" socialist country where the government controllers most if not all of the economy?

You really should read and pay attention:

Quote from: Y on February 21, 2019, 03:26:19 PM
Anyway, here's a simple explanation.

Capitalism is anti-social; a predatory economic system based on benefiting the one and or the elite.  Socialism and Communism are social economic systems based on benefiting society or the many.

Now if you're setting up a society, do you want to promote an economic system that pits everyone against each other, or an economic system that promotes everyone in that society generally for the best outcome for everyone?

You should also learn what a 'free market' economy is:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_market

QuoteIn economics, a free market is a system in which the prices for goods and services are determined by the open market and by consumers. In a free market the laws and forces of supply and demand are free from any intervention by a government, or by other authority.
Title: Re: Anyone Else Had Enough of American Capitalism?
Post by: Anne on March 17, 2019, 03:49:03 PM
Ok, you can't or won't answer a simple question (name a socialist country) I have more important things to do than read your duplicate posts.
Title: Re: Anyone Else Had Enough of American Capitalism?
Post by: Y on March 18, 2019, 06:46:36 PM
Quote from: Anne on March 17, 2019, 03:49:03 PM
Ok, you can't or won't answer a simple question (name a socialist country) I have more important things to do than read your duplicate posts.

Actually, you are whining because you haven't paid the slightest attention to my posts - something I pointed out in my first response to you.
Title: Re: Anyone Else Had Enough of American Capitalism?
Post by: Y on March 18, 2019, 06:54:19 PM
Quote from: Anne on March 17, 2019, 03:49:03 PM
Ok, you can't or won't answer a simple question (name a socialist country) I have more important things to do than read your duplicate posts.

Here's how it unfolded and shows you haven't paid a lick of attention to what I posted on the subject:

Quote from: Y on February 18, 2019, 09:46:34 PM
I agree with you, and it must be strictly controlled.

Of course, I see socialism or communism as probably better economic systems for society.

Quote from: Anne on February 20, 2019, 07:38:52 PM
Why?

Quote from: Y on February 21, 2019, 03:26:19 PM
Personally, I don't think you give a whit, especially as the answers should be patently obvious.

Anyway, here's a simple explanation.

Capitalism is anti-social; a predatory economic system based on benefiting the one and or the elite.  Socialism and Communism are social economic systems based on benefiting society or the many.

Now if you're setting up a society, do you want to promote an economic system that pits everyone against each other, or an economic system that promotes everyone in that society generally for the best outcome for everyone?

Anyway, people can probably guess your answer.

From there you merely rehashed what had been asked and answered.
Title: Re: Anyone Else Had Enough of American Capitalism?
Post by: me on March 20, 2019, 12:13:08 PM
If, as you say. Socialism is so great, why do people from Socialist countries want to come here?
Title: Re: Anyone Else Had Enough of American Capitalism?
Post by: Exterminator on March 20, 2019, 03:53:50 PM
Quote from: me on March 20, 2019, 12:13:08 PM
If, as you say. Socialism is so great, why do people from Socialist countries want to come here?

This myth again?  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Anyone Else Had Enough of American Capitalism?
Post by: me on March 21, 2019, 01:12:09 PM
Quote from: Exterminator on March 20, 2019, 03:53:50 PM
This myth again?  :rolleyes:
Oh really? What countries are the immigrants coming from and what are they trying to escape then? Also if some coming here are wanting to get away from their country why are they trying to convert us to what they are trying to escape from?
Title: Re: Anyone Else Had Enough of American Capitalism?
Post by: Exterminator on March 21, 2019, 01:17:51 PM
Quote from: me on March 21, 2019, 01:12:09 PM
Oh really? What countries are the immigrants coming from and what are they trying to escape then? Also if some coming here are wanting to get away from their country why are they trying to convert us to what they are trying to escape from?

You do realize that your questions directly contradict one another, right?
Title: Re: Anyone Else Had Enough of American Capitalism?
Post by: me on March 21, 2019, 06:10:15 PM
Quote from: Exterminator on March 21, 2019, 01:17:51 PM
You do realize that your questions directly contradict one another, right?
Ok, why are people coming here if our country is so bad? If they're coming here for a better life why do they fight against assimilating?
Title: Re: Anyone Else Had Enough of American Capitalism?
Post by: Exterminator on March 22, 2019, 09:23:43 AM
Quote from: me on March 21, 2019, 06:10:15 PM
Ok, why are people coming here if our country is so bad?

They are fleeing violence, some of which we are responsible for.

QuoteIf they're coming here for a better life why do they fight against assimilating?

Fight against assimilating how, exactly?  By eating burritos?  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Anyone Else Had Enough of American Capitalism?
Post by: me on March 22, 2019, 11:07:40 AM
Quote from: Exterminator on March 22, 2019, 09:23:43 AM
They are fleeing violence, some of which we are responsible for.

Fight against assimilating how, exactly?  By eating burritos?  :rolleyes:
Exactly how are we responsible for Venezuela and the Islam countries? Muslims want to enforce Sharia law here, Mexicans spit on and burn our flag and so does Venezuela. Muslims also expect us to be tolerant of Islam and they don't tolerate Christianity. Immigrants need to do it the right way at ports of entry and respect our laws and customs not expect us to change to suit them.
Title: Re: Anyone Else Had Enough of American Capitalism?
Post by: Exterminator on March 22, 2019, 12:53:58 PM
Quote from: me on March 22, 2019, 11:07:40 AM
Exactly how are we responsible for Venezuela and the Islam countries?

Are you completely ignorant of how the U.S. has meddled in the affairs of sovereign nations for decades?  We have gone so far as to orchestrate coups against democratically elected governments and installed dictators if we thought it would benefit American businesses.

QuoteMuslims want to enforce Sharia law here, Mexicans spit on and burn our flag and so does Venezuela. Muslims also expect us to be tolerant of Islam and they don't tolerate Christianity. Immigrants need to do it the right way at ports of entry and respect our laws and customs not expect us to change to suit them.

Bullshit racist hyperbole in which you ascribe to entire populations the deeds of a few bad actors.  What, exactly, is it about you that makes you think you're better than they are?  Because you're white?

That's a rhetorical question, by the way; no need to actually answer it.
Title: Re: Anyone Else Had Enough of American Capitalism?
Post by: me on March 22, 2019, 05:10:21 PM
Quote from: Exterminator on March 22, 2019, 12:53:58 PM
Are you completely ignorant of how the U.S. has meddled in the affairs of sovereign nations for decades?  We have gone so far as to orchestrate coups against democratically elected governments and installed dictators if we thought it would benefit American businesses.

Bullshit racist hyperbole in which you ascribe to entire populations the deeds of a few bad actors.  What, exactly, is it about you that makes you think you're better than they are?  Because you're white?

That's a rhetorical question, by the way; no need to actually answer it.
Why is it the dems always go to the race card when someone disagrees with them about anything? The color of the skin has nothing to do with the immigration problem and you know it. I will not be intimidated into believing mass illegal immigration is an ok thing. You had better hope the conservatives aren't the ones saying "I tried to tell you" in the not too distant future because that would be a very bad thing to have happen.
Title: Re: Anyone Else Had Enough of American Capitalism?
Post by: Locutus on March 23, 2019, 02:24:41 PM
Quote from: Exterminator on March 22, 2019, 09:23:43 AM


Fight against assimilating how, exactly?  By eating burritos?  :rolleyes:

And speaking Spanish, and generally looking all greasy-like.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Anyone Else Had Enough of American Capitalism?
Post by: Exterminator on March 29, 2019, 03:10:02 PM
Socialism and Capitalism are both irrelevant. (https://www.politicalorphans.com/socialism-and-capitalism-are-both-irrelevant/)
Title: Re: Anyone Else Had Enough of American Capitalism?
Post by: The Troll on March 30, 2019, 12:57:12 PM
Quote from: me on March 22, 2019, 05:10:21 PM
Why is it the dems always go to the race card when someone disagrees with them about anything? The color of the skin has nothing to do with the immigration problem and you know it. I will not be intimidated into believing mass illegal immigration is an ok thing. You had better hope the conservatives aren't the ones saying "I tried to tell you" in the not too distant future because that would be a very bad thing to have happen.

  Well, I know one thing for sure Old Woman.  You are not going to be around to see all of the bad thing you say are going to happen.  You are going to be pushing up grass, looking at it's roots.  :trustme:  :wink: :smile:
Title: Re: Anyone Else Had Enough of American Capitalism?
Post by: me on March 31, 2019, 12:28:52 PM
Quote from: The Troll on March 30, 2019, 12:57:12 PM
  Well, I know one thing for sure Old Woman.  You are not going to be around to see all of the bad thing you say are going to happen.  You are going to be pushing up grass, looking at it's roots.  :trustme:  :wink: :smile:
Aaaawwww little man you're so full of cheer and sunshine.....
Title: Re: Anyone Else Had Enough of American Capitalism?
Post by: The Troll on April 01, 2019, 11:46:33 AM
Quote from: me on March 31, 2019, 12:28:52 PM
Aaaawwww little man you're so full of cheer and sunshine.....

  I will say one more thing Old Red Head.  :gorgeous:  You and Henry  are just a like. :bird:  You're just like baby Robins.  Alway got your mouths open and full of shit.   :choo:
Title: Re: Anyone Else Had Enough of American Capitalism?
Post by: Y on May 23, 2019, 01:18:15 PM
Quote from: me on March 21, 2019, 06:10:15 PMIf they're coming here for a better life why do they fight against assimilating?

Oh!  Like the Irish or the Italians or Jews etc. who cling to their old customs, have parades and ethnic holidays, continue to speak their own languages etc..

That's OK though because they're considered 'white', right?

It's not OK for those that are considered 'colored' though.  They're not 'assimilating'.
Title: Re: Anyone Else Had Enough of American Capitalism?
Post by: Palehorse on May 25, 2019, 12:26:12 AM
Quote from: Y on May 23, 2019, 01:18:15 PMOh!  Like the Irish or the Italians or Jews etc. who cling to their old customs, have parades and ethnic holidays, continue to speak their own languages etc..

That's OK though because they're considered 'white', right?

It's not OK for those that are considered 'colored' though.  They're not 'assimilating'.

Spot on!
Title: Re: Anyone Else Had Enough of American Capitalism?
Post by: me on May 26, 2019, 11:50:40 AM
Quote from: Y on May 23, 2019, 01:18:15 PMOh!  Like the Irish or the Italians or Jews etc. who cling to their old customs, have parades and ethnic holidays, continue to speak their own languages etc..

That's OK though because they're considered 'white', right?

It's not OK for those that are considered 'colored' though.  They're not 'assimilating'.
They do not expect us to change to suit them and race has nothing to do with it so don't even go there.
Title: Re: Anyone Else Had Enough of American Capitalism?
Post by: Henry Hawk on May 30, 2019, 08:18:10 AM
Written by a millennial with the perspective a person from the "greatest generation." 
Please read:

Entitlement will be the death of capitalism and our great country if allowed to fester in our young people.

"I'm sitting in a small coffee shop near Nokomis trying to think of what to write about. I scroll through my newsfeed on my phone looking at the latest headlines of Democratic candidates calling for policies to "fix" the so-called injustices of capitalism. I put my phone down and continue to look around. I see people talking freely, working on their MacBook's, ordering food they get in an instant, seeing cars go by outside, and it dawned on me. We live in the most privileged time in the most prosperous nation and we've become completely blind to it. Vehicles, food, technology, freedom to associate with whom we choose. These things are so ingrained in our American way of life we don't give them a second thought. We are so well off here in the United States that our poverty line begins 31 times above the global average. Thirty. One. Times. Virtually no one in the United States is considered poor by global standards. Yet, in a time where we can order a product off Amazon with one click and have it at our doorstep the next day, we are unappreciative, unsatisfied, and ungrateful.

Our unappreciation is evident as the popularity of socialist policies among my generation continues to grow. Democratic Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez recently said to Newsweek talking about the millennial generation, "An entire generation, which is now becoming one of the largest electorates in America, came of age and never saw American prosperity."

Never saw American prosperity. Let that sink in. When I first read that statement, I thought to myself, that was quite literally the most entitled and factually illiterate thing I've ever heard in my 26 years on this earth. Now, I'm not attributing Miss Ocasio-Cortez's words to outright dishonesty. I do think she whole-heartedly believes the words she said to be true. Many young people agree with her, which is entirely misguided. My generation is being indoctrinated by a mainstream narrative to actually believe we have never seen prosperity. I know this first hand, I went to college, let's just say I didn't have the popular opinion, but I digress.

Let me lay down some universal truths really quick. The United States of America has lifted more people out of abject poverty, spread more freedom and democracy, and has created more innovation in technology and medicine than any other nation in human history. Not only that but our citizenry continually breaks world records with charitable donations, the rags to riches story is not only possible in America but not uncommon, we have the strongest purchasing power on earth, and we encompass 25% of the world's GDP. The list goes on. However, these universal truths don't matter. We are told that income inequality is an existential crisis (even though this is not an indicator of prosperity, some of the poorest countries in the world have low-income inequality), we are told that we are oppressed by capitalism (even though it's brought about more freedom and wealth to the most people than any other system in world history), we are told that the only way we will acquire the benefits of true prosperity is through socialism and centralization of federal power (even though history has proven time and again this only brings tyranny and suffering).

Why then, with all of the overwhelming evidence around us, evidence that I can even see sitting at a coffee shop, do we not view this as prosperity? We have people who are dying to get into our country. People around the world destitute and truly impoverished. Yet, we have a young generation convinced they've never seen prosperity, and as a result, elect politicians dead set on taking steps towards abolishing capitalism. Why? The answer is this, my generation has ONLY seen prosperity. We have no contrast. We didn't live in the great depression, or live through two world wars, or see the rise and fall of socialism and communism. We don't know what it's like not to live without the internet, without cars, without smartphones. We don't have a lack of prosperity problem. We have an entitlement problem, an ungratefulness problem, and it's spreading like a plague.

With the current political climate giving rise to the misguided idea of a socialist utopia, will we see the light? Or will we have to lose it all to realize that what we have now is true prosperity? Destroying the free market will undo what millions of people have died to achieve.

My generation is becoming the largest voting bloc in the country. We have an opportunity to continue to propel us forward with the gifts capitalism and democracy has given us. The other option is that we can fall into the trap of entitlement and relapse into restrictive socialist destitution. The choice doesn't seem too hard, does it?" 

Amen and Amen

Alyssa Ahlgren
Title: Re: Anyone Else Had Enough of American Capitalism?
Post by: Exterminator on May 30, 2019, 11:32:01 AM
Privileged white girl says what?
Title: Re: Anyone Else Had Enough of American Capitalism?
Post by: Henry Hawk on May 30, 2019, 03:14:08 PM
Quote from: Exterminator on May 30, 2019, 11:32:01 AMPrivileged white girl says what?
the truth!
Title: Re: Anyone Else Had Enough of American Capitalism?
Post by: The Troll on May 30, 2019, 03:43:13 PM
 
  You wouldn't know the truth if it caused your head to pop out of your ass.  You so god damn despicable.  :kissit:
Title: Re: Anyone Else Had Enough of American Capitalism?
Post by: Henry Hawk on May 31, 2019, 08:15:55 AM
c'mon Troll, let's go have a tenderloin and a beer together!! I'll buy!  ;)
Title: Re: Anyone Else Had Enough of American Capitalism?
Post by: Exterminator on May 31, 2019, 10:36:54 AM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 30, 2019, 03:14:08 PMthe truth!

Her truth, not the real world.
Title: Re: Anyone Else Had Enough of American Capitalism?
Post by: Y on June 13, 2019, 06:17:02 PM
Quote from: Exterminator on May 31, 2019, 10:36:54 AMHer truth, not the real world.

Yeah, a little snot born with the brass ring who spends her time making money by playing to the stupid.