A point of view from a friend of mine....
If, as former FBI Director Comey now claims, President Trump obstructed justice by asking Comey to end the probe of Mike Flynn, then Comey himself also obstructed justice by not immediately reporting the crime to the Department of Justice. And yes, it is a crime, even if you are President, to obstruct justice and yes, it is also a crime to fail to report it to the proper authorities immediately.
If, on the other hand, it was not a request at all and no attempt was made to obstruct justice, then Comey was not obligated to report it and committed no crime. But that in turn also means that the latest flap has no merit and that Comey is a sore loser and a fraud.
Hank, do you remember what happened as a direct result of Nixon trying to screw around with the FBI?
Quote from: Locutus on May 17, 2017, 04:26:57 PM
Hank, do you remember what happened as a direct result of Nixon trying to screw around with the FBI?
And let's break this down.........according to the "memo" Trump allegedly said "I hope you can let this go,"...that doesn't sound like a direct order or even a order of any magnitude. It sounds like he is HOPING.
Let's just slow down a tad a let these FACTS roll in. YOU guys are so blatantly obvious with your bias....it is kind of embarrassing.
you want so badly for SOMETHING to stick....and the media is so pissed and outraged at this POTUS.....it is kind of sad for our Nation.
btw, have you noticed the stock market tanking....merely because of the slightest implication that our media is projecting such hatred that our investors are not liking this at all.
Leave the man alone, let him do his job that he was elected to do and good things will happen. Keep it up and bad things will follow.
You never answered my question. ;D
Do you remember Richard Nixon's 'gift' for screwing around with the FBI in the exact same manner that Trump appears to have done?
You're more adamant in your defense than some republicans in Congress are.
Quote from: Locutus on May 17, 2017, 04:41:28 PM
You never answered my question. ;D
Do you remember Richard Nixon's 'gift' for screwing around with the FBI in the exact same manner that Trump appears to have done?
You're more adamant in your defense than some republicans in Congress are.
Let me ask you something, do you know the facts? I'll answer for you.......NO.
Let's wait and see.....then let's discuss.
LOL!
Of course I don't know any other facts than you do.
Now what was Nixon's gift for screwing around with the FBI?
Do you remember what happened?
Hum, remember this?
https://www.youtube.com/v/pLQrM30z4s8
Quote from: me on May 17, 2017, 06:13:51 PM
Hum, remember this?
That's not what we're talking about, stupid.
Quote from: Exterminator on May 17, 2017, 10:11:06 PM
That's not what we're talking about, stupid.
No, it's not, and I'm still waiting on Hank's answer.
Quote from: Locutus on May 18, 2017, 09:04:22 AM
No, it's not, and I'm still waiting on Hank's answer.
Wait all you want.. :yes: ...I'm not playing your game. I'm also not even going down the road of this BS (trying to compare this to wagergate :rolleyes: :razz: ) .....because that is all this is...BS. The dems are imploding and they will completely disintegrate when they don't get their way on this fiasco. ;)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 18, 2017, 09:20:07 AM
Wait all you want.. :yes: ...I'm not playing your game. I'm also not even going down the road of this BS (trying to compare this to wagergate :rolleyes: :razz: ) .....because that is all this is...BS. The dems are imploding and they will completely disintegrate when they don't get their way on this fiasco. ;)
I'm not trying to compare this to Watergate at all. I'm just asking you what was introduced to that whole Watergate situation as a
direct result of Nixon trying to mess around with the FBI.
Do you remember what it is or do you want me to tell you?
Quote from: Exterminator on May 17, 2017, 10:11:06 PM
That's not what we're talking about, stupid.
But that's part of it since this all started over Trump firing Comey and whether he had a right to then they had to move on to find something else to nail him with since he did have a right to fire him.
Quote from: me on May 18, 2017, 10:11:40 AM
But that's part of it since this all started over Trump firing Comey and whether he had a right to then they had to move on to find something else to nail him with since he did have a right to fire him.
Can't you follow a discussion? Nowhere has anyone said that it wasn't within Trump's purview to fire the FBI director. It most certainly wasn't a sensible thing to do, especially now that he's going to have a special counsel crawl up his ass with a microscope, but it was certainly was within his power as president to do it.
Since Hank won't answer, do you know what a direct result was when Richard Nixon started trying to mess around with the FBI?
Quote from: Locutus on May 18, 2017, 09:22:36 AM
I'm not trying to compare this to Watergate at all. I'm just asking you what was introduced to that whole Watergate situation as a direct result of Nixon trying to mess around with the FBI.
Do you remember what it is or do you want me to tell you?
I'm sure you are going for "obstruction of justice"
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 18, 2017, 10:33:54 AM
I'm sure you are going for "obstruction of justice"
Nope. Not at all.
The answer I was looking for is one of the biggest leakers of all time.
Deep Throat.
Deep Throat was a
direct result of Nixon's attempts to rein in an FBI investigation, and it eventually brought him down. Deep Throat was, after all, the number two man st the FBI at the time.
There are plenty of people in the FBI who aren't happy with what Trump has done, and they can fuck with him pretty good if they choose to do so. :yes:
Quote from: Locutus on May 18, 2017, 11:08:07 AM
There are plenty of people in the FBI who aren't happy with what Trump has done, and they can fuck with him pretty good if they choose to do so. :yes:
Well, on that same level of thought, there are plenty there who do like Trump...some of them were not happy with Comey either on how he brought the loss of integrity to the FBI...........so, it may shine a light on some things that got swept under the carpet during the Obama years.
just a random thought...
Quote from: Locutus on May 18, 2017, 10:15:59 AM
Can't you follow a discussion? Nowhere has anyone said that it wasn't within Trump's purview to fire the FBI director. It most certainly wasn't a sensible thing to do, especially now that he's going to have a special counsel crawl up his ass with a microscope, but it was certainly was within his power as president to do it.
Since Hank won't answer, do you know what a direct result was when Richard Nixon started trying to mess around with the FBI?
Ya, all because they're wanting to do anything they can come up with to discredit Trump which could backfire on them big time. Of course if anything starts looking bad for them they'll cry foul and come up with something else and trash the person who found evidence of wrong doing against them.
As has been pointed out numerous times before, Trump is doing an excellent job discrediting himself. He doesn't need any help. ;D
Quote from: me on May 18, 2017, 01:20:02 PM
Ya, all because they're wanting to do anything they can come up with to discredit Trump which could backfire on them big time. Of course if anything starts looking bad for them they'll cry foul and come up with something else and trash the person who found evidence of wrong doing against them.
We endured it for nearly ten years bunky. And we held our own to the end. You guys are just a little over 100 days in and the implosion is already under way! 😂
Wonder how long it will take the special prosecutor to subpoena those tapes the raging cheeto was spewing about on social media? And how quickly they'll figure out they ve been edited? 🦃
The ghost of Nixon walks the halls of the White House again! 👻
Hum, does this mean he lied under oath?
https://www.youtube.com/v/9JbeJpKgyV4
No.
:rolleyes:
Quote from: me on May 19, 2017, 12:08:13 PM
How do you figure that?
By simply reading the question he was asked when he made that answer. It really is quite simple to read and comprehend if you just try. You can't believe everything that pops up in your email box or on your Facebook feed.
Here's the exchange with Sen. Mazie Hirono of Hawaii. Germane parts are in bold and are my emphasis.
Hirono: So, if the attorney general or senior officials at the Department of Justice opposes a specific investigation, can they halt that FBI investigation?
Comey: In theory, yes.
Hirono: Has it happened?
Comey: Not in my experience. Because it would be a big deal to tell the FBI to stop doing something without appropriate purpose ... Often times they give us opinions that we don't see a case there, and so you ought to stop investing resources in it, but I'm talking about a situation where we were told to stop something for a political reason. That would be a very big deal. It's not happened in my experience.
Quote from: Locutus on May 19, 2017, 12:50:56 PM
By simply reading the question he was asked when he made that answer. It really is quite simple to read and comprehend if you just try. You can't believe everything that pops up in your email box or on your Facebook feed.
Here's the exchange with Sen. Mazie Hirono of Hawaii. Germane parts are in bold and are my emphasis.
Hirono: So, if the attorney general or senior officials at the Department of Justice opposes a specific investigation, can they halt that FBI investigation?
Comey: In theory, yes.
Hirono: Has it happened?
Comey: Not in my experience. Because it would be a big deal to tell the FBI to stop doing something without appropriate purpose ... Often times they give us opinions that we don't see a case there, and so you ought to stop investing resources in it, but I'm talking about a situation where we were told to stop something for a political reason. That would be a very big deal. It's not happened in my experience.
How much more plain can it be?
How much more plain can what be?
Quote from: Locutus on May 19, 2017, 12:50:56 PM
By simply reading the question he was asked when he made that answer. It really is quite simple to read and comprehend if you just try. You can't believe everything that pops up in your email box or on your Facebook feed.
Here's the exchange with Sen. Mazie Hirono of Hawaii. Germane parts are in bold and are my emphasis.
Hirono: So, if the attorney general or senior officials at the Department of Justice opposes a specific investigation, can they halt that FBI investigation?
Comey: In theory, yes.
Hirono: Has it happened?
Comey: Not in my experience. Because it would be a big deal to tell the FBI to stop doing something without appropriate purpose ... Often times they give us opinions that we don't see a case there, and so you ought to stop investing resources in it, but I'm talking about a situation where we were told to stop something for a political reason. That would be a very big deal. It's not happened in my experience.Quote from: Locutus on May 19, 2017, 01:43:57 PM
Quote from: Locutus on May 19, 2017, 01:43:57 PM
How much more plain can what be?
Read the fucking question please. :wall:
Hirono: So, if the attorney general or senior officials at the Department of Justice opposes a specific investigation, can they halt that FBI investigation?
Translation: Can the mentioned parties halt an investigation if they wanted to.
Comey answers in the affirmative.
Hirono: Has it happened?
Translation: Has the attorney general or any senior Justice Department official ever halted an FBI investigation.
Comey answers no.
The question had nothing whatsoever to do with Trump or any request he may have made along those lines. It was simply if any attorney general or senior member of the Justice Department had ever halted an FBI investigation.
The answer is no; Comey answered no. Ergo, no lying under oath.
That concludes today's elementary school lesson on reading, interpretation, and critical thinking skills.
PSA: Coloring books are on sale at Wally World for those who can't comprehend the above. :rolleyes:
For the record, I'm not a big fan of Jim Comey, but I do think he has more integrity in the nail of his pinkie finger than Trump has in his entire body.
Guess it depends on what your definition of "it" is.
Quote from: me on May 19, 2017, 03:45:50 PM
Guess it depends on what your definition of "it" is.
No; it doesn't. The question is quite clear.
it = halting an FBI investigational
An investigation which was brought on by a story about an unseen memo obtained from an unnamed source. If he did get that memo it was his duty to report it and he didn't so that would mean it would be a problem for him and if there was no such memo why doesn't he just come out and say so? Could it be he doesn't think he can handle the heat he'll get from the left if he admits there is no such memo?
http://ijr.com/the-declaration/2017/05/876678-when-nyts-bombshell-dropping-reporter-is-asked-if-hes-actually-seen-the-comey-memo-it-gets-a-little-awkward/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Owned&utm_term=ijamerica&utm_campaign=ods&utm_content=Politics
Quote from: me on May 19, 2017, 04:26:37 PM
An investigation which was brought on by a story about an unseen memo obtained from an unnamed source. If he did get that memo it was his duty to report it and he didn't so that would mean it would be a problem for him and if there was no such memo why doesn't he just come out and say so? Could it be he doesn't think he can handle the heat he'll get from the left if he admits there is no such memo?
http://ijr.com/the-declaration/2017/05/876678-when-nyts-bombshell-dropping-reporter-is-asked-if-hes-actually-seen-the-comey-memo-it-gets-a-little-awkward/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Owned&utm_term=ijamerica&utm_campaign=ods&utm_content=Politics
Oh sweet angel of death, please take me now! :wall:
This is for 'me.' Do you understand that, until he was fired by POTUS Donald Trump, Comey was the Director (boss) of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), and as such, was in charge of investigating reports of collusion between the Trump administration and the Russians? That is very big stuff, HUGE.
So, having said that, what about that memo and whether or not it even exists? Who in their right mind, if they thought about it at all, would believe that the FBI boss would go into the office of the President when summoned and not be prepared to remember and afterwards write down every single thing that happened? As for that memo, it's for sure one valuable piece of paper. Keep in mind the POTUS was at the time trying to get Comey to back away from the investigation of Gen Flynn's collusion with the Russians. :eek:
I think a lot of people are missing the bigger issue at play here with Trump and this entire Russia fiasco. While it's unmistakably true that some people close to Trump have involvements with the Russians and that the Russians absolutely worked to sway the election in his favor, let's assume that Trump, himself, had zero involvement or knowledge (at least none that can be definitively proven) of these ties.
The bigger issue, then, is that the POTUS doesn't seem to understand who our friends are and who are our enemies. I am no fan of Comey and he has made some really bad decisions during his career but I would never suggest that he is not a patriot or that he hasn't served this country as best he could for his entire life. Comey is an American. He is one of us.
The Russians are our enemies, plain and simple. They back the death to America Iranian regime, they support Assad and use ISIS as an excuse to attack U.S. backed forces in Syria, they invade and annex their neighbors and murder and persecute anyone who doesn't agree with Putin's tyranny.
For Trump to offer up an American patriot as a "nut job" to our adversaries is absolutely inexcusable and un-American and the consequences for doing so should be severe.
Quote from: Exterminator on May 21, 2017, 10:30:49 AM
I think a lot of people are missing the bigger issue at play here with Trump and this entire Russia fiasco. While it's unmistakably true that some people close to Trump have involvements with the Russians and that the Russians absolutely worked to sway the election in his favor, let's assume that Trump, himself, had zero involvement or knowledge (at least none that can be definitively proven) of these ties.
The bigger issue, then, is that the POTUS doesn't seem to understand who our friends are and who are our enemies. I am no fan of Comey and he has made some really bad decisions during his career but I would never suggest that he is not a patriot or that he hasn't served this country as best he could for his entire life. Comey is an American. He is one of us.
The Russians are our enemies, plain and simple. They back the death to America Iranian regime, they support Assad and use ISIS as an excuse to attack U.S. backed forces in Syria, they invade and annex their neighbors and murder and persecute anyone who doesn't agree with Putin's tyranny.
For Trump to offer up an American patriot as a "nut job" to our adversaries is absolutely inexcusable and un-American and the consequences for doing so should be severe.
Truth! 👍🏻
Yes! Well said, Exterminator!