Here's the scary story of how Ebola came to the United States -- from the point of view of the family of the unfortunate man.
Family of Ebola patient Thomas Eric Duncan distraught over death in Dallas
A Dallas hospital spokesman said Thomas Eric Duncan, the first Ebola patient diagnosed in the United States, has died. (AP)
The Washington Post
By DeNeen L. Brown and Abby Phillip
October 8, 2014 at 8:52 PM
DALLAS — Karsiah Eric Duncan, tall and thin, hurried to get ready Wednesday morning. He had not seen his father since he was a child in Liberia. The hospital had promised to set up a special camera in the isolated room of his father, Thomas Eric Duncan, who lay in critical condition after having been diagnosed with Ebola.
The 19-year-old knew that his father would not be able to speak. He just wanted to see him.
A nurse at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital had told Karsiah the day before that, before Duncan's conditioned had worsened, he sometimes woke and talked about him. Hearing that, the son had started crying, family members said.
"I'm praying that my dad will be okay," Karsiah said Tuesday night at his mother's church in Dallas. "I hope that they will find a cure for this."
He was about to leave for the hospital Wednesday morning when he received a phone call from his mother telling him his father had died. Family members began to wail, doubling over, sobbing.
The family of Thomas Eric Duncan was devastated by the news of his death.
Oct. 8, 2014 Eric Williams, a Texas congressional candidate, speaks to reporters outside Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital in Dallas about the death of Ebola patient Thomas Eric Duncan at the hospital. Williams is calling on Gov. Rick Perry (R) to begin an investigation into the treatment of Duncan and the care he received at the hospital. LM Otero/AP
"He died at 7:51 this morning," said Sana Sayed, a spokeswoman for the city of Dallas. "The family is grappling with this, and we are sad to hear about it."
For Duncan's extended American family, his arrival from Liberia was expected to be a time of reunion and celebration. Instead, with his arrival came a virulent disease, isolation and concerns that he was not getting the same kind of treatment that other Ebola patients in the United States were receiving.
Karsiah's mother, Louise Troh, Duncan's fiancee, was in mandated isolation in an undisclosed location. She did not want Karsiah to come visit her. She did not want any questions to be raised about his health later. Yet she told him by phone that she was happy that he would finally see his father again.
Duncan landed in Dallas on Sept. 20. Five days later, he went to an emergency room complaining of abdominal pains. He had a fever of 101.1 degrees. The hospital sent him home. Three days later, Troh's daughter called an ambulance. On Sept. 30, the diagnosis came back: Duncan had Ebola.
Neighbors in Liberia said that Duncan had helped carry a pregnant woman to a taxi, then rode with her to a hospital in Liberia. The pregnant woman later died of Ebola. Family members said Duncan did not know that he, too, had contracted Ebola before he boarded a flight. When he received the diagnosis, he told Troh, whom he called "the love of his life," that he regretted bringing the virus to Dallas and possibly exposing her.
Friday was the last day Troh was able to speak to him by phone.
As his condition worsened and he became unresponsive, the family gathered. On Sunday, Duncan's mother, sister and nephew piled in a car in North Carolina, heading for Dallas, hoping to make it in time.
They arrived Monday, and, almost directly, went to the hospital, where they gathered in a room a floor below the isolated ward.
Duncan's mother, wearing a purple shirt, an African print skirt and scarf, looked through a monitor and saw her son. A laptop camera had been placed in Duncan's room by a health-care worker. The family watched as Duncan lay in what appeared to be a deep sleep.
Duncan's mother, who had not seen him in many years, began to wail.
Troh, although worried about her health and that of family members who had contact with Duncan before he was diagnosed, was clinging to hope for him. She was overjoyed with the news that finally he was receiving an experimental treatment.
"Before the drug treatment was started, she was very anxious because she felt like nothing positive was being done for him," her pastor, the Rev. George Mason, said in an interview. "She just broke out in elation when they announced that he was being treated with the drug. . . . She began to praise God. She was very happy."
On Tuesday, her son, a student at Angelo State University in San Angelo, Tex., surprised her by arriving in Dallas.
He had graduated from high school in June and wanted his father to attend his graduation, but Duncan was unable to make it. Instead, he flew from Liberia in September. Now they all looked back and wondered what might have happened if he had had the money for the plane ticket in June. They continued to pray.
Troh has refused to allow her son to visit her in isolation. "She has felt that it was best for him to have complete confidence that he was not exposed," said Mason, who is senior pastor of Wilshire Baptist Church in Dallas.
Duncan's mother, sister and nephew returned to the hospital with civil rights activist Jesse Jackson, who met with doctors and prayed with the family. They had reached out to Jackson for help, asking him to call the hospital and demand that Duncan be given special treatment for Ebola.
"We were told they weren't giving him anything," said Jamie Foster Brown, a friend of the family and a board member for D.C. nonprofit group Women's Wing, which raised money for family members to travel to Dallas, "that he was on saline drops and oxygen and they just changed his diaper. They couldn't talk to the doctors."
When the family returned with Karsiah to the hospital Tuesday, they were turned away, family members said. Tuesday night, Karsiah appeared at a news conference at his mother's church. Dressed in a white long-sleeve shirt and black tie, he dug his hands in his pockets and thanked the church and the hospital. He asked for prayers for his father and his family. Then he and other family members filed out of the church with plans to see Duncan one last time Wednesday morning.
But at 8:30 a.m., Mason walked into Troh's temporary home in isolation with a Bible in hand. He was accompanied by Dallas County Judge Clay Jenkins, who also carried a Bible.
Mason and Jenkins gathered everyone in the living room — including Troh, her 13-year-old son, Timothy Wayne, and two men in their 20s, Oliver Smallwood and Jeffrey Cole. They also held their own Bibles. They began to read and pray.
A few minutes later, Jenkins delivered the news.
"We are here to tell you the sad news that Eric Duncan passed this morning," Jenkins told Troh.
She threw herself to the floor, writhing in grief, Mason said.
"As of yesterday, they felt that there was every reason to believe that perhaps he would be getting better now," Mason said.
"They had started the new treatment, and he had been stable enough for them to do that. Their hopes had been raised yesterday."
Mason listened as Troh expressed her grief, anger and frustration. She wondered whether he might be alive today if he had been admitted when he first sought care instead of being sent home. She vented her anger that Karsiah did not have a chance to see his father again.
Then it was time to call Karsiah. He wept on the phone.
Troh called her daughters, then Mason and Jenkins helped her craft a written statement to the world.
Later, she watched as it was read on television news broadcasts. She sat numb. Wednesday night, health officials would be calling to check her temperature.
Phillip reported from Washington.
It is too bad the man died and I feel sorry for his family. I think the hospital certainly dropped the ball by not admitting him when he went to the hospital the first time if he did tell them he had recently come from Liberia. As far as treatment I understand there is no real treatment for the disease except for the experimental drug which he received and palliative measures like hydration and pain control. The two men in Spain also received the experimental medicine and died so it obviously doesn't work for everyone. I'm afraid this situation will happen again and again unless we put some stricter controls on people coming from countries where Ebola is present. A 28 day quarantine would be my suggestion and that would only contain with people who came through regular ports of entry.
I also find it a little difficult to believe that the guy didn't know he had been exposed to Ebola as has been claimed.
Supposedly he said on his exit papers from Liberia that he had not been in contack with anyone who had Ebola. I wonder what he thought the woman had that he took to the hospital and then died? I think he probably was just hoping he didn't have Ebola or that if he did his chances of living were better here. That is something that we will never know for sure.
It is sad. Did I see where Jesse Jackson and that crew are calling this a racist attack against blacks? How stupid can they be when the first ones who were brought over that contracted it in Africa were whites.
They use any excuse they can to stir things up.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on October 11, 2014, 10:10:40 AM
It is sad. Did I see where Jesse Jackson and that crew are calling this a racist attack against blacks? How stupid can they be when the first ones who were brought over that contracted it in Africa were whites.
Hey Purplelady, I like your avatar, a good looking witch :kooks: :pirate: You're getting close. :smitten: :biggrin:
Quote from: The Troll on October 11, 2014, 11:47:14 AM
Hey Purplelady, I like your avatar, a good looking witch :kooks: :pirate: You're getting close. :smitten: :biggrin:
I believe that is the nicest thing you have ever said to me. Thank you! :kooks: :kooks: HG
I don't know why it put HG on the end! Still getting use to this tablet!
Quote from: Anne on October 10, 2014, 11:07:46 PM
Supposedly he said on his exit papers from Liberia that he had not been in contack with anyone who had Ebola. I wonder what he thought the woman had that he took to the hospital and then died? I think he probably was just hoping he didn't have Ebola or that if he did his chances of living were better here. That is something that we will never know for sure.
I agree. :spooked:
"A female nurse at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital in Dallas has tested positive for Ebola after a preliminary test, officials said.
Confirmatory testing will be conducted Sunday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta. Test results are expected to be announced later in the day.
The patient is a female nurse, an official who is familiar with this case told CNN.
She helped care for Thomas Eric Duncan, the first person ever diagnosed with Ebola in the United States, Texas Health Resources chief clinical officer Dan Varga said. Duncan died Wednesday.
The nurse is in stable condition, Varga said.
The nurse was involved in Duncan's second visit to the hospital, when he was admitted for treatment, and was wearing protective gear as prescribed by the CDC: gown, gloves, mask and shield, Varga said."
:spooked: :spooked:
^^ Hopefully this was just some breach of protocol on the part of the nurse.
Quote from: Locutus on October 12, 2014, 11:25:12 AM
^^ Hopefully this was just some breach of protocol on the part of the nurse.
:spooked: :spooked: :spooked: :spooked:
This shit will become a pandemic here! (Hopefully it hits the dumb-asses hard, and thins their numbers before the next election!)
Do any of y'all think this might be some sort of terrorist attack on the Ebola? Not saying it is but just putting it out there!
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on October 12, 2014, 06:35:21 PM
Do any of y'all think this might be some sort of terrorist attack on the Ebola? Not saying it is but just putting it out there!
:lipsrsealed2:
Quote from: me on October 12, 2014, 06:40:33 PM
:lipsrsealed2:
Really now? This is a first. You'll usually just throw something out there regardless of whether or not it has any basis in fact. :wink:
Quote from: Locutus on October 12, 2014, 08:19:56 PM
Really now? This is a first. You'll usually just throw something out there regardless of whether or not it has any basis in fact. :wink:
I don't know whether it would be factual or not but my husband and I were talking about it tonight and he said what better way for a terrorist group to take over than to start an epidemic!!!
Oh I have no doubt that terrorists would resort to anything to inflict damage on the U.S., up to and including something like what you describe.
I was discussing this on Facebook with someone earlier (not specifically terrorism, but Ebola in general), and the subject of a travel ban came up. I would fully support a travel ban on flights originating in that region. Given the long incubation period, and the number of people who can travel on just one plane, it seems like a reasonable precaution to take to make sure we don't have any more Thomas Eric Duncans showing up and vomiting blood outside of some apartment complex.
Quote from: Locutus on October 12, 2014, 09:10:00 PM
Oh I have no doubt that terrorists would resort to anything to inflict damage on the U.S., up to and including something like what you describe.
I was discussing this on Facebook with someone earlier (not specifically terrorism, but Ebola in general), and the subject of a travel ban came up. I would fully support a travel ban on flights originating in that region. Given the long incubation period, and the number of people who can travel on just one plane, it seems like a reasonable precaution to take to make sure we don't have any more Thomas Eric Duncans showing up and vomiting blood outside of some apartment complex.
Yes. It wouldn't be the Christian thing to do, but look what one reportedly Good Samaritan act by Duncan has set in motion. :spooked:
I'm a heathen, so I don't really care much about the "Christian thing to do." I'm just thinking about the prudent thing to do for everyone's best interest, Christian or not. ;D
Quote from: Locutus on October 12, 2014, 10:28:18 PM
I'm a heathen, so I don't really care much about the "Christian thing to do." I'm just thinking about the prudent thing to do for everyone's best interest, Christian or not. ;D
I agree it doesn't have a thing to do with being Christian or not! It is called common sense!
;D
(http://d.justpo.st/images/2014/10/7aff8552f3501517f83baf353bf36256.jpg)
The above was obviously a joke, however this political cartoon kind of puts the whole Ebola thing in context.
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I agree...with that said,....that pict you posted brought back a great memory for me....
I got to hear an alpine horn, thank to my Job that took me to Lake Louise for a round table meeting a few years ago...it was an unbelievable experience...
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4049/4251946383_59717279f8.jpg)
That one I posted was a takeoff on an old TV commercial, although I can't remember what product the commercial was promoting.
Quote from: Locutus on October 13, 2014, 11:57:17 AM
That one I posted was a takeoff on an old TV commercial, although I can't remember what product the commercial was promoting.
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That's right. The cough drops. Thank you. ;D
The subject of Ebola is being discussed by a few of my friends on FB. I stated my support of a travel ban in a similar manner to what I did here. I additionally pointed out that the Europeans would have to be on board with that for it to work, because every flight I checked from Monrovia to JFK connected through any of a number of European cities. One girl responded:
Quote"Those who come in from Europe can either be sent right back or quarantined for 30 days in isolation (without medical care), their choice."
She then further elaborated that those who make it here (her premise is that they lied and came here on purpose) should be quarantined at Guantanamo Bay so we can "take care of two problems at one time."
I'll give you three guesses which side of the aisle she's on, and the first two don't count. :rolleyes: :no:
Quote from: Locutus on October 13, 2014, 01:06:27 PM
I'll give you three guesses which side of the aisle she's on, and the first two don't count. :rolleyes: :no:
The stupid side.
Quote from: Locutus on October 13, 2014, 01:28:02 PM
Bingo!
That would be the LEFT, correct?..... :yes: :razz:
I think there should be a travel band. No travel travel to the United States from Ebola infected areas. :yes: Those wanting to come must be isolated and cleared of any chance of them carrying Ebola.
But the TV news are beating a dead horse. :deadhorse: All of the channels 24/7 trying to scare the public out of their mind. STOP THE BULLSHIT, STOP THE GOD DAMN NEW REPORTING ON EBOLA. Most of it is speculation. :deadhorse:
It is hard to tell, but when the World Health Organization is calling the Ebola outbreak "the most severe, acute health emergency seen in modern times"....another reason we need to close off our borders.
Who knows how many from Mexico that could have been in Africa that could easily walk across our borders....
Troll, I agree, I think the media is playing this for all it is worth....but....
another reason as to why we need effective leadership....
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on October 12, 2014, 08:47:57 PM
I don't know whether it would be factual or not but my husband and I were talking about it tonight and he said what better way for a terrorist group to take over than to start an epidemic!!!
I don't believe terrorists are trying to start an epidemic here with the Ebola virus, it would be very inefficient sending infected people here. On the other hand, Tom Clancy wrote a book that used Ebola as a terrorist weapon. It has been a long time since I read that particular book, but I think they found a way to atomize it and set it off at a convention in front of one of those misters. I think that with travel as easy as it is this was bound to happen sooner or later and Ebola is a disease that we don't know everything about. It is a virus and they mutate. Makes it harder to come up with a cure or a vaccine.
The sad reality is that, whether it is Ebola or something else, despite having the most expensive healthcare on the planet, which healthcare entities continue to validate by saying it is state of the art and ready for anything, our healthcare system and infrastructure is ill-prepared to deal with a pandemic situation of the magnitude many highly contagious diseases are capable of achieving.
Any one of you reading this could be financially ruined by one serious health issue that will require hospitalization. You may be better off croaking than to be cured and find yourself homeless and destitute; forced to eat dog food and sleep under a bridge, only to expire from exposure instead of the disease that puts you there.
Then we have idiots like this:
"NBC medical correspondent Dr. Nancy Snyderman issued a statement tonight apologizing for reported violations of the quarantine she and her NBC News team were placed in after freelancer photographer Ashoka Mukpo, who was working with the NBC team in Liberia, was diagnosed with Ebola.
After reports of the quarantine violation, NBC News ordered Snyderman and her team to be placed in isolation. Reports from Planet Princeton and TMZ alleged that Snyderman was spotted in public, in violation of the quarantine, to pick up soup from a New Jersey restaurant."
Seriously, you're going to risk spreading Ebola just because you want some fucking soup from a restaurant?!?!??? What a bitch. :mad: :mad: :mad:
Quote from: Locutus on October 13, 2014, 08:49:56 PM
Then we have idiots like this:
"NBC medical correspondent Dr. Nancy Snyderman issued a statement tonight apologizing for reported violations of the quarantine she and her NBC News team were placed in after freelancer photographer Ashoka Mukpo, who was working with the NBC team in Liberia, was diagnosed with Ebola.
After reports of the quarantine violation, NBC News ordered Snyderman and her team to be placed in isolation. Reports from Planet Princeton and TMZ alleged that Snyderman was spotted in public, in violation of the quarantine, to pick up soup from a New Jersey restaurant."
Seriously, you're going to risk spreading Ebola just because you want some fucking soup from a restaurant?!?!??? What a bitch. :mad: :mad: :mad:
There goes any credibility she held! :yes:
"Do as I say, not as I do" applies where the good doctor is concerned.
Reminds me of something that happened years ago, when I still believed that people in responsible positions (especially doctors) practiced what they preached. My first job in Northern VA was as a medical transcriptionist for a doctor who was Professor of Medicine at a local University. I loved the job because I got to follow the treatment of patients from the time they saw the doctor, the tests done, the results of the examination and tests, and final instructions to the patients. I typed it all. One day I walked from my desk to his office with some notes to patients he had dictated, ready for his signature. One of those notes contained stern advice to a patient about not smoking. I opened the door and walked in and there he sat, with his chair tilted back, his legs crossed, feet on his desk, puffing on a cigarette! I said, "Dr. S!" and he laughed; thought it was funny.
Meanwhile, back on the regular Ebola thread, a second healthcare worker has been diagnosed with the disease. The bad thing about this one is she was on a flight from Cleveland to Dallas the evening before her symptoms presented. CDC now wants to talk to all 132 people who were aboard Frontier Airlines Flight 1143 from Cleveland to Dallas/Fort Worth, which landed at 8:16 p.m. CT Monday.
:spooked:
Quote from: Locutus on October 15, 2014, 12:10:51 PM
Meanwhile, back on the regular Ebola thread, a second healthcare worker has been diagnosed with the disease. The bad thing about this one is she was on a flight from Cleveland to Dallas the evening before her symptoms presented. CDC now wants to talk to all 132 people who were aboard Frontier Airlines Flight 1143 from Cleveland to Dallas/Fort Worth, which landed at 8:16 p.m. CT Monday.
:spooked:
And so it begins...
Are you really surprised at this? It is not going to be a quick fix. Ebola may be difficult to catch but it can spread quickly. People always think it won't happen to them or that they really can't spread it to other people. It is like TB, you don't hear much about that any more but it would not take much to have an outbreak of it any time and unlike Ebola we have proven drugs to treat TB.
From CNN: Because she had helped care for Dallas Ebola patient Thomas Eric Duncan, this health care worker should not have traveled on a commercial airplane, CDC Director Tom Frieden said.
At that point, health care workers were undergoing self-monitoring. They were allowed to travel but not on a commercial plane with other people, he said.
Moving forward, the CDC will ensure that no one else in such a situation travels outside of a closed environment, he said.
^^ Seems like these medical professionals aren't very professional when it comes to self-policing after potential exposure. :mad: :mad: :mad:
She still caught Ebola working with the first patient. I don't know if she knew she wasn't allowed to travel on a commercial airline or not, what about a city bus or subway/tram?
Quote from: Anne on October 15, 2014, 02:08:12 PM
She still caught Ebola working with the first patient. I don't know if she knew she wasn't allowed to travel on a commercial airline or not, what about a city bus or subway/tram?
I doubt that she would have been able to travel on any public transportation where she would have been in close proximity to others. Now we have at least two medical professionals acting irresponsibly after potential exposure to Ebola. :mad:
I find the restrictions odd, the persons who treated the first patient can still work, travel,supposedly go to the grocery, take in a movie, eat out, etc., but not go on public transportation.
Quote from: Locutus on October 15, 2014, 02:11:14 PM
I doubt that she would have been able to travel on any public transportation where she would have been in close proximity to others. Now we have at least two medical professionals acting irresponsibly after potential exposure to Ebola. :mad:
I think it is bullshit to place blame on the Healthcare workers. The CDC, should have set the rules and guidelines and enforced them. The CDC is passing the buck.
None of this would even be a problem, if the WH would have restricted ALL flights from those regions...or at least been more proactive on a solution. It isn't like this just sneaked up on us. It has been a possible problem for several weeks now.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 15, 2014, 02:50:29 PM
None of this would even be a problem, if the WH would have restricted ALL flights from those regions...or at least been more proactive on a solution. It isn't like this just sneaked up on us. It has been a possible problem for several weeks now.
It's amazing how you can twist everything wrong in the world to make it Obama's fault and still claim not to be a racist. Thomas Duncan flew to Washington Dulles on United Flight 951 from Brussels so from exactly which "regions" are you suggesting we restrict flights?
Exactly Ex. I made the point about European connections back on page 2 of this thread. It's a complex issue.
Quote from: Exterminator on October 15, 2014, 03:12:43 PM
It's amazing how you can twist everything wrong in the world to make it Obama's fault and still claim not to be a racist. Thomas Duncan flew to Washington Dulles on United Flight 951 from Brussels so from exactly which "regions" are you suggesting we restrict flights?
How about getting your facts right Thomas Eric Duncan came from Liberia. He left Monrovia Sept. 19 and arrived in the United States Sept 20. He had a stop over in Brussels. So, the regions I am suggesting ARE those that are KNOWN to have a problem with this virus.
It amazes me how YOU always twist EVERY criticism of this POTUS as racist. EVERY DAMN TIME. He DOES have some accountability to this. Obama KNEW that liberia was feverish with this virus. He had the authority to have done something.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 15, 2014, 03:28:07 PM
How about getting your facts right Thomas Eric Duncan came from Liberia. He left Monrovia Sept. 19 and arrived in the United States Sept 20. He had a stop over in Brussels. So, the regions I am suggesting ARE those that are KNOWN to have a problem with this virus.
It was not merely a stop over; he changed planes and airlines. At what point is it no longer reasonable to expect to restrict flights and from where? One flight away from affected areas? Two? Restrict travel from anywhere where there is a connecting flight? How about we just ground all air travel period...indefinitely. Would that make you feel better? Do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound?
QuoteIt amazes me how YOU always twist EVERY criticism of this POTUS as racist.
Nope, not every criticism but your hatred is so profound that you can no longer think rationally and there is only one explanation.
Quote from: Exterminator on October 15, 2014, 03:55:55 PM
It was not merely a stop over; he changed planes and airlines. At what point is it no longer reasonable to expect to restrict flights and from where? One flight away from affected areas? Two? Restrict travel from anywhere where there is a connecting flight? How about we just ground all air travel period...indefinitely. Would that make you feel better? Do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound?
Simply doing nothing is not going to help the cause. British Airways, Air France and Kenya Airways have stopped flights to and fro infected countries. I realize it isn't an easy task, No, nobody is suggesting we ground all air travel.........do you have any idea how ridiculous YOU sound?....but as the Leader of this Nation, other countries look for our leadership.....we can encourage other Nations to step up, set up homeland security in these regions to screen travelers. Put forth the effort that we actually give a shit...rather than playing golf and fund raising in hollywood.
I do not HATE Obama. I do think he is not a good leader. Race has nothing to do with that. I would vote for a number of folks who are not white, but as long as they lean conservative. Hell, don't like most of the liberals in congress, and they are white. So enough already with your lame excuse.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 15, 2014, 04:33:04 PM
Simply doing nothing is not going to help the cause. British Airways, Air France and Kenya Airways have stopped flights to and fro infected countries. I realize it isn't an easy task, No, nobody is suggesting we ground all air travel.....
The fact is, even if we banned all foreign flights, (which we won't- not unless we want what remains of our airline infrastructure to collapse), it won't do a single thing to stop this unless Mexico, Canada, also do the same. Moreover, how about those cruise ships? And then there are those that will take those cruise ships to Canada and Mexico and cross the boarders illegally.
Those are bandaids. Research and development of a cure for disease is the remediation the world requires. But that is another issue now isn't it?
Reactionary steps will do nothing but create fear and promote anarchy.
This second case demonstrates our abject inability to contain an outbreak, as well as minimize an outbreak effectively. Ebola or otherwise. These two women treated the same patient, followed the same protocols, and both contracted the disease anyway. Moreover, there is NO restriction upon medical personnel, first responders, or anyone else coming into contact with a symptomatic individual; it is only when they become sick, or displaying symptoms, that the restrictions are applicable. Period. SO lets get that straight up front. Right, wrong, or indifferent, that is the law at this point in time.
There is a professional expectation of healthcare officials to self-monitor, not just in the case of this disease, but EVERY disease. This places a high level of trust upon these individuals; a trust that at least one of these "professionals" has shown may be ill-placed.
The assumption with Ebola is that one is not contagious until the point one displays symptoms. A dangerous assumption when we are talking about such a dangerous disease, but it is the exact same assumption we make with influenza, as well as a wide variation of infectious diseases.
It's a dangerous situation that is now multiplying exponentially. Those 132 people who accompanied that nurse on that flight, will likely come into contact with another 132 people each before they become symptomatic, and those may come into contact with hundreds of others each as well. You do the math and you'll soon discover that at some point this nation
will reach critical mass that, using your methodology will restrict each and every one of us to our homes for 21 days; and require a healthcare official to declare us symptom free after that 21 day period before we are allowed to return to our lives and work. All from patient Zero, who was wrongly diagnosed by a healthcare professional with a lethargic attitude toward his/her work.
A cure requires R&D and validation per FDA protocol. And the dollars to pay for it. Dollars that have historically been federally subsidized, but due to cuts. . .
And that too, is another issue now isn't it?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 15, 2014, 04:33:04 PM
I do not HATE Obama. Race has nothing to do with that.
I sure wouldn't want to be you on judgement day.
Evidently the people who were treating Mr. Daniels were not restricted in their movements as the second nurse was given the ok to fly on the commericial airline by the CDC even though she has a low grade temp at the time. The end of blaming the nurse.
Quote from: Anne on October 16, 2014, 09:40:53 AM
Evidently the people who were treating Mr. Daniels were not restricted in their movements as the second nurse was given the ok to fly on the commericial airline by the CDC even though she has a low grade temp at the time. The end of blaming the nurse.
"The end of blaming the nurse." :yes:
I didn't catch everything, but when I looked at NBC TV to catch today's weather, a nurse who also apparently works at the same hospital was being interviewed on the Today Show by Matt Lauer regarding what went on. She was obviously nervous, but gave specific answers about how the virus was most likely transferred from the dying patient to the two nurses. :eek: (They hadn't been properly briefed or trained and didn't have the proper 'suiting up' gear, for starters.)
I think NBC is going to air he interview again. It is definitely worth watching.
Republicans are now saying that Obama should stop the panic going over the country about Ebola. WHAT DAMN PANIC? 99.9% on the American public hasn't been near anyone who has Ebola. Just some more lying bullshit coming from the damn Republican Party. :rant:
Quote from: The Troll on October 16, 2014, 10:52:11 AM
Republicans are now saying that Obama should stop the panic going over the country about Ebola. WHAT DAMN PANIC? 99.9% on the American public hasn't been near anyone who has Ebola. Just some more lying bullshit coming from the damn Republican Party. :rant:
Being lied to by the CDC and yes, Obama, is causing people to question what is really going on and is creating a form of panic. Tell me you wouldn't be concerned if you lived in Georgia or Dallas and knew someone who had this was there. This administration needs to be honest and tell people what's going on and quit trying to cover things up. Also the media needs to quit lying to cover up for the administration and tell the truth for a change.
Please point out the lies that are being told. I can't wait to hear them.
Quote from: Locutus on October 16, 2014, 12:11:45 PM
Please point out the lies that are being told. I can't wait to hear them.
It was the nurses fault, this won't come to the US, all the care workers have been properly trained. That's just for starters.
Quote from: me on October 16, 2014, 12:15:19 PM
It was the nurses fault,
I don't think anyone in the administration has, as you are claiming, blamed the nurse. What they did say is that, more likely than not, there was a breach of protocol that caused these two women to contract the virus.
As for blaming the nurse, I absolutely blame the nurse for getting on a fucking airplane, knowing that she had been in contact with an Ebola patient, and
furthermore getting on a plane knowing she had a fever of 99.5 degrees beforehand. That's unconscionable, and is
absolutely her fault. I'm not even a health care worker, and I wouldn't have boarded a plane with that foreknowledge and knowing the risks of contaminating others after symptoms present.
Quotethis won't come to the US,
Again, I don't think anyone in the administration (CDC or otherwise) made any claims along these lines, but if you have some proof that they did, please feel free to prove me wrong. In this day of global air travel, anyone who may have said such a thing would be beyond stupid. :rolleyes:
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all the care workers have been properly trained. That's just for starters.
This is the only thing you said that may have some basis in truth as I heard this coming from a few officials. We really don't know for a fact what breach(es) of protocol may have led to these nurses becoming infected, because neither you nor I are health care workers, and we don't know what those protocols are and how the nurses in question were trained.
You said "...that's for starters." Next?
Quote from: Locutus on October 16, 2014, 12:31:39 PM
I don't think anyone in the administration has, as you are claiming, blamed the nurse. What they did say is that, more likely than not, there was a breach of protocol that caused these two women to contract the virus.
As for blaming the nurse, I absolutely blame the nurse for getting on a fucking airplane, knowing that she had been in contact with an Ebola patient, and furthermore getting on a plane knowing she had a fever of 99.5 degrees beforehand. That's unconscionable, and is absolutely her fault. I'm not even a health care worker, and I wouldn't have boarded a plane with that foreknowledge and knowing the risks of contaminating others after symptoms present. My normal temp is 99 so what difference would .5 mean in that case? She did call to let them know and was told she would be fine and could take the flight.
Again, I don't think anyone in the administration (CDC or otherwise) made any claims along these lines, but if you have some proof that they did, please feel free to prove me wrong. In this day of global air travel, anyone who may have said such a thing would be beyond stupid. :rolleyes:
Here is exactly what he said and now they are worried about that very thing. Sorry for shortening it up, I should have known better, my bad. http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/2014/10/obama-confident-the-us-wont-see-serious-outbreak-of-ebola.html/ (http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/2014/10/obama-confident-the-us-wont-see-serious-outbreak-of-ebola.html/)
This is the only thing you said that may have some basis in truth as I heard this coming from a few officials. We really don't know for a fact what breach(es) of protocol may have led to these nurses becoming infected, because neither you nor I are health care workers, and we don't know what those protocols are and how the nurses in question were trained.
You said "...that's for starters." Next?
We've seen a serious outbreak of ebola?
Quote from: me on October 16, 2014, 12:15:19 PM
My normal temp is 99 so what difference would .5 mean in that case? She did call to let them know and was told she would be fine and could take the flight.
The absolutely
glaring difference between you and the nurse is that the nurse was in close proximity to, and interacted with, an Ebola patient. You did not.
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Here is exactly what he said and now they are worried about that very thing. Sorry for shortening it up, I should have known better, my bad.
Now you're completly showing something the president did say, which is completely different that what you accused him of saying, that being "that it won't come to the U.S."
:rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on October 16, 2014, 01:47:59 PM
We've seen a serious outbreak of ebola?
Maybe she's on some super-secret Ebola email distribution list to which we're not privy. ;D
Quote from: Locutus on October 16, 2014, 01:48:31 PM
The absolutely glaring difference between you and the nurse is that the nurse was in close proximity to, and interacted with, an Ebola patient. You did not.
Which is my point, she should have been told NOT to get on a plane to anywhere and she was told it was ok. Also how many people did the NBC news person possibly give it to who just had to have something to eat after she was told not to go out? They simply do not know and Obama should not have taken it so lightly as to say we don't have to worry about it becoming a problem here.
Now you're completly showing something the president did say, which is completely different that what you accused him of saying, that being "that it won't come to the U.S."
:rolleyes:
Quote from: me on October 16, 2014, 04:03:31 PM
Which is my point, she should have been told NOT to get on a plane to anywhere and she was told it was ok. Also how many people did the NBC news person possibly give it to who just had to have something to eat after she was told not to go out? They simply do not know and Obama should not have taken it so lightly as to say we don't have to worry about it becoming a problem here.
The population of the US, according to Wikipedia:
As of October 16, 2014, the United States has a total resident population of 318,918,000,[1] making it the third-most populous country in the world.[2]^^ How many people have been infected in this country so far? I'll let you go first and you better get it right the first time. :wink:
I agree with you that she shouldn't have been on a plane, but that's not the fault of anyone that you're trying to blame. :no:
Quote from: Locutus on October 16, 2014, 05:19:01 PM
The population of the US, according to Wikipedia:
As of October 16, 2014, the United States has a total resident population of 318,918,000,[1] making it the third-most populous country in the world.[2]
^^ How many people have been infected in this country so far? I'll let you go first and you better get it right the first time. :wink:
I agree with you that she shouldn't have been on a plane, but that's not the fault of anyone that you're trying to blame. :no:
I'm blaming the guy who told her it was ok to board the plane. What about the NBC news person who went out after being told not to? How many people did she possibly expose who haven't shown symptoms yet? What about the people on the plane with the person who come over her with it, how many of them possibly got it and haven't shown symptoms yet? It's too early to know for sure if it will become a serious problem and it should not have been taken so lightly.
Quote from: me on October 16, 2014, 05:46:48 PM
I'm blaming the guy who told her it was ok to board the plane. What about the NBC news person who went out after being told not to? How many people did she possibly expose who haven't shown symptoms yet? What about the people on the plane with the person who come over her with it, how many of them possibly got it and haven't shown symptoms yet? It's too early to know for sure if it will become a serious problem and it should not have been taken so lightly.
Wait a minute. Aren't you the same one running around squalling about the "doctor shortage" in this nation? If the CDC / FDA imposes a 21 day quarantine upon healthcare workers that come into contact with anyone suffering from an infectious disease, then just how many healthcare workers will there be afterwards?
How many doctors will change their specialization to orthopedics or pediatrics, or some other specialization that insulates them from infectious diseases and general practice? How many nurses, phlebotomists, etc. will do the same? How many healthcare students will change gears and move toward something else?
Aren't you the same person running around yelling about personal responsibility and demanding it? Where's your accountability demands surrounding the nurses and doctor that are each guilty of violating their personal responsibilities with foreknowledge?
And just how, given your stated desire for getting government out of healthcare, is it now suddenly governments responsibility for these individual breaches in personal responsibility?
And then lets talk about how the medical industry in general is so "over regulated" shall we? Do you know what it costs the government to maintain a staff level large enough to ensure that regulatory protocols are strictly followed in each and every healthcare facility in this nation? ( I assure you it is a lot more than you are even thinking). But then again, you are the same person screaming for "cuts" in spending; which your conservative elected representatives have been busy implementing via stalling, saying no, and driving governmental shut downs for, for nearly 8 years now. So surprise, they are now understaffed due to budgetary cuts, and now can only do spot checks and address known and identified breaches of protocol that present a serious threat to public health and safety. Real time, reactively, and NOT proactively.
Then lets talk about the failures of individual medical facilities to properly train and certify their personnel surrounding federally mandated PPE requirements and protocols; which apparently a large number of medical facilities nation-wide have provided the governing bodies of this nation with documentation of having performed that are shockingly nothing more than a dog and pony show designed to obtain "certification" and, in some cases, federal subsidization funding for PPE and other equipment that they did NOT purchase.
And for all of this these very same medical facilities are now charging premium rates for their services at all levels of treatment, and using these training requirements, equipment purchases, and supply needs as a "justification" for the increase in prices for services.
And yet with all of this going on, and the proof being put in front of your face each and every day, you still have the nerve to state we do not need governmental oversight of the medical industry?
You have got to be kidding me!
And on a side note one of the nurses Obama hugged is now showing symptoms of Ebola. Not good. :no:
Quote from: me on October 16, 2014, 06:21:08 PM
And on a side note one of the nurses Obama hugged is now showing symptoms of Ebola. Not good. :no:
Source? I'm not talking about something from your inbox either.
I heard it in passing on the radio but am now wondering if it was one of those, in poor taste IMO, things said by the announcer, who ever it was, making a crack about him not running off to play golf as usual. I didn't repeat it other than here because of having heard it in passing and not hearing it the rest of the day since I knew it would go no further given the make up of the forum. We were doing some running getting parts to hook up our wood stove so I have no clue what station it was.
Some fear ebola outbreak could make nation turn to science. (http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/fear-ebola-outbreak-make-nation-turn-science?intcid=mod-most-popular)
Quote from: Exterminator on October 17, 2014, 09:48:04 AM
Some fear ebola outbreak could make nation turn to science. (http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/fear-ebola-outbreak-make-nation-turn-science?intcid=mod-most-popular)
:biggrin:
All kidding aside, as with most satire, there is an underlying truth to this.
Quote from: Exterminator on October 17, 2014, 09:48:04 AM
Some fear ebola outbreak could make nation turn to science. (http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/fear-ebola-outbreak-make-nation-turn-science?intcid=mod-most-popular)
What???? You mean the CDC isn't made up of scientists who are working on getting this, among other things, nipped in the bud?
Quote from: me on October 17, 2014, 12:01:28 PM
What???? You mean the CDC isn't made up of scientists who are working on getting this, among other things, nipped in the bud?
WHOOOOOOSH!!!
How is a person who has no medical background going to help here? If he has no medical background how is he going to decide which way is best to handle this other than to do damage control for the administration?
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/18/us/ron-klain-chief-of-staff-to-2-vice-presidents-is-named-ebola-czar.html?_r=0
You scared of Ebola, I'm not afraid of Ebola. No cases here in Indiana and only 99,999 % of the people here in America don't have Ebola. :yes: :biggrin:
Quote from: Exterminator on October 17, 2014, 09:48:04 AM
Some fear ebola outbreak could make nation turn to science. (http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/fear-ebola-outbreak-make-nation-turn-science?intcid=mod-most-popular)
Quote from: Bo D on October 17, 2014, 10:29:11 AM
:biggrin:
All kidding aside, as with most satire, there is an underlying truth to this.
:biggrin: I like the New Yorker brand of satire.
Am I the only one who'd like to slap Kaci Hickcox?
I believe the line is rather long for doing just that Ex.
I would get in that line.......wearing gloves, but yeah, I would love to be in that line.
Me also!
You could add me to that line.
We finally found something on which we all can agree...assault! :biggrin:
;D :yes:
Quote from: Exterminator on October 30, 2014, 12:44:47 PM
We finally found something on which we all can agree...assault! :biggrin:
:biggrin:
Add me to the list! :yes:
This is probably the only unanimous thing to ever happen at the Zone. ;D
We've got a bunch of Ray Donovan wannabes running around in here! ;)
Quote from: Exterminator on October 30, 2014, 10:46:41 AM
Am I the only one who'd like to slap Kaci Hickcox?
I would be in that line!
I wouldn't slap her; I'd drop kick her through the goal posts of life.
BUT, I believe her reaction(s) are a microcosm of what I stated would be the end result of such actions upon healthcare workers in this nation. If this grows, look for a real drop in infectious disease doctors, nurses, etc. in the industry. They'll leave like rats leaving a sinking ship.
And they'll go to geriatrics, pediatrics, and other specialties that don't deal with infectious diseases. . .
(CNN) - [Breaking news update, posted at 12:57 p.m. ET]
A Maine judge on Friday ruled that state health officials failed to prove the need for an order enforcing an Ebola quarantine for a nurse who defied the quarantine in a tense standoff with state authorities. District Court Chief Judge Charles LaVerdiere ordered nurse Kaci Hickox, who recently returned to the United States after treating Ebola patients in Sierra Leone, to submit to "direct active monitoring," coordinate travel with public health officials and immediately notify health authorities should symptoms appear. Her attorney, Norman Siegel, called the decision a victory. On Thursday, the judge had ordered stricter limits on Hickox.