Ebola!

[me]

Please point out the lies that are being told.  I can't wait to hear them.

It was the nurses fault, this won't come to the US, all the care workers have been properly trained.  That's just for starters.

[Locutus]

It was the nurses fault,

I don't think anyone in the administration has, as you are claiming, blamed the nurse.  What they did say is that, more likely than not, there was a breach of protocol that caused these two women to contract the virus.

As for blaming the nurse, I absolutely blame the nurse for getting on a fucking airplane, knowing that she had been in contact with an Ebola patient, and furthermore getting on a plane knowing she had a fever of 99.5 degrees beforehand.  That's unconscionable, and is absolutely her fault.  I'm not even a health care worker, and I wouldn't have boarded a plane with that foreknowledge and knowing the risks of contaminating others after symptoms present.

this won't come to the US,

Again, I don't think anyone in the administration (CDC or otherwise) made any claims along these lines, but if you have some proof that they did, please feel free to prove me wrong.  In this day of global air travel, anyone who may have said such a thing would be beyond stupid. 

all the care workers have been properly trained.  That's just for starters.

This is the only thing you said that may have some basis in truth as I heard this coming from a few officials.  We really don't know for a fact what breach(es) of protocol may have led to these nurses becoming infected, because neither you nor I are health care workers, and we don't know what those protocols are and how the nurses in question were trained.

You said "...that's for starters."  Next?

[me]

I don't think anyone in the administration has, as you are claiming, blamed the nurse.  What they did say is that, more likely than not, there was a breach of protocol that caused these two women to contract the virus.

As for blaming the nurse, I absolutely blame the nurse for getting on a fucking airplane, knowing that she had been in contact with an Ebola patient, and furthermore getting on a plane knowing she had a fever of 99.5 degrees beforehand.  That's unconscionable, and is absolutely her fault.  I'm not even a health care worker, and I wouldn't have boarded a plane with that foreknowledge and knowing the risks of contaminating others after symptoms present.  My normal temp is 99 so what difference would .5 mean in that case? She did call to let them know and was told she would be fine and could take the flight.

Again, I don't think anyone in the administration (CDC or otherwise) made any claims along these lines, but if you have some proof that they did, please feel free to prove me wrong.  In this day of global air travel, anyone who may have said such a thing would be beyond stupid. 
Here is exactly what he said and now they are worried about that very thing.  Sorry for shortening it up, I should have known better, my bad. http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/2014/10/obama-confident-the-us-wont-see-serious-outbreak-of-ebola.html/

This is the only thing you said that may have some basis in truth as I heard this coming from a few officials.  We really don't know for a fact what breach(es) of protocol may have led to these nurses becoming infected, because neither you nor I are health care workers, and we don't know what those protocols are and how the nurses in question were trained.

You said "...that's for starters."  Next?

[Exterminator]

We've seen a serious outbreak of ebola?

[Locutus]

My normal temp is 99 so what difference would .5 mean in that case? She did call to let them know and was told she would be fine and could take the flight.

The absolutely glaring difference between you and the nurse is that the nurse was in close proximity to, and interacted with, an Ebola patient.  You did not. 

Here is exactly what he said and now they are worried about that very thing.  Sorry for shortening it up, I should have known better, my bad.

Now you're completly showing something the president did say, which is completely different that what you accused him of saying, that being "that it won't come to the U.S."

[Locutus]

We've seen a serious outbreak of ebola?

Maybe she's on some super-secret Ebola email distribution list to which we're not privy. 

[me]

The absolutely glaring difference between you and the nurse is that the nurse was in close proximity to, and interacted with, an Ebola patient.  You did not. 

Which is my point, she should have been told NOT to get on a plane to anywhere and she was told it was ok.  Also how many people did the NBC news person possibly give it to who just had to have something to eat after she was told not to go out?  They simply do not know and Obama should not have taken it so lightly as to say we don't have to worry about it becoming a problem here.

Now you're completly showing something the president did say, which is completely different that what you accused him of saying, that being "that it won't come to the U.S."

[Locutus]

Which is my point, she should have been told NOT to get on a plane to anywhere and she was told it was ok.  Also how many people did the NBC news person possibly give it to who just had to have something to eat after she was told not to go out?  They simply do not know and Obama should not have taken it so lightly as to say we don't have to worry about it becoming a problem here.

The population of the US, according to Wikipedia:

As of October 16, 2014, the United States has a total resident population of 318,918,000,[1] making it the third-most populous country in the world.[2]

^^  How many people have been infected in this country so far?  I'll let you go first and you better get it right the first time. 

I agree with you that she shouldn't have been on a plane, but that's not the fault of anyone that you're trying to blame. 

[me]

The population of the US, according to Wikipedia:

As of October 16, 2014, the United States has a total resident population of 318,918,000,[1] making it the third-most populous country in the world.[2]

^^  How many people have been infected in this country so far?  I'll let you go first and you better get it right the first time. 

I agree with you that she shouldn't have been on a plane, but that's not the fault of anyone that you're trying to blame. 

I'm blaming the guy who told her it was ok to board the plane.  What about the NBC news person who went out after being told not to?  How many people did she possibly expose who haven't shown symptoms yet?  What about the people on the plane with the person who come over her with it, how many of them possibly got it and haven't shown symptoms yet?  It's too early to know for sure if it will become a serious problem and it should not have been taken so lightly.

[Palehorse]

I'm blaming the guy who told her it was ok to board the plane.  What about the NBC news person who went out after being told not to?  How many people did she possibly expose who haven't shown symptoms yet?  What about the people on the plane with the person who come over her with it, how many of them possibly got it and haven't shown symptoms yet?  It's too early to know for sure if it will become a serious problem and it should not have been taken so lightly.

Wait a minute. Aren't you the same one running around squalling about the "doctor shortage" in this nation? If the CDC / FDA imposes a 21 day quarantine upon healthcare workers that come into contact with anyone suffering from an infectious disease, then just how many healthcare workers will there be afterwards?

How many doctors will change their specialization to orthopedics or pediatrics, or some other specialization that insulates them from infectious diseases and general practice? How many nurses, phlebotomists, etc. will do the same? How many healthcare students will change gears and move toward something else?

Aren't you the same person running around yelling about personal responsibility and demanding it? Where's your accountability demands surrounding the nurses and doctor that are each guilty of violating their personal responsibilities with foreknowledge?

And just how, given your stated desire for getting government out of healthcare, is it now suddenly governments responsibility for these individual breaches in personal responsibility?

And then lets talk about how the medical industry in general is so "over regulated" shall we? Do you know what it costs the government to maintain a staff level large enough to ensure that regulatory protocols are strictly followed in each and every healthcare facility in this nation? ( I assure you it is  a lot more than you are even thinking). But then again, you are the same person screaming for "cuts" in spending; which your conservative elected representatives have been busy implementing via stalling, saying no, and driving governmental shut downs for, for nearly 8 years now. So surprise, they are now understaffed due to budgetary cuts, and now can only do spot checks and address known and identified breaches of protocol that present a serious threat to public health and safety. Real time, reactively, and NOT proactively.

Then lets talk about the failures of individual medical facilities to properly train and certify their personnel surrounding federally mandated PPE requirements and protocols; which apparently a large number of medical facilities nation-wide have provided the governing bodies of this nation with documentation of having performed that are shockingly nothing more than a dog and pony show designed to obtain "certification" and, in some cases, federal subsidization funding for PPE and other equipment that they did NOT purchase.

And for all of this these very same medical facilities are now charging premium rates for their services at all levels of treatment, and using these training requirements, equipment purchases, and supply needs as a "justification" for the increase in prices for services.

And yet with all of this going on, and the proof being put in front of your face each and every day, you still have the nerve to state we do not need governmental oversight of the medical industry?

You have got to be kidding me!

[me]

And on a side note one of the nurses Obama hugged is now showing symptoms of Ebola.  Not good.   

[Locutus]

And on a side note one of the nurses Obama hugged is now showing symptoms of Ebola.  Not good.   

Source?  I'm not talking about something from your inbox either.

[me]

I heard it in passing on the radio but am now wondering if it was one of those, in poor taste IMO, things said by the announcer, who ever it was, making a crack about him not running off to play golf as usual.  I didn't repeat it other than here because of having heard it in passing and not hearing it the rest of the day since I knew it would go no further given the make up of the forum.  We were doing some running getting parts to hook up our wood stove so I have no clue what station it was.

[Exterminator]

Some fear ebola outbreak could make nation turn to science.

[Bo D]

Some fear ebola outbreak could make nation turn to science.

All kidding aside, as with most satire, there is an underlying truth to this.