Ebola!

[Locutus]

She still caught Ebola working with the first patient. I don't know if she knew she wasn't allowed to travel on a commercial airline or not, what about a city bus or subway/tram?

I doubt that she would have been able to travel on any public transportation where she would have been in close proximity to others.  Now we have at least two medical professionals acting irresponsibly after potential exposure to Ebola. 

[Anne]

I find the restrictions odd, the persons who treated the first patient can still work, travel,supposedly go to the grocery, take in a movie, eat out, etc., but not go on public transportation.

[Henry Hawk]

I doubt that she would have been able to travel on any public transportation where she would have been in close proximity to others.  Now we have at least two medical professionals acting irresponsibly after potential exposure to Ebola. 

I think it is bullshit to place blame on the Healthcare workers.  The CDC, should have set the rules and guidelines and enforced them.  The CDC is passing the buck.

None of this would even be a problem, if the WH would have restricted ALL flights from those regions...or at least been more proactive on a solution. It isn't like this just sneaked up on us.  It has been a possible problem for several weeks now.

[Exterminator]

None of this would even be a problem, if the WH would have restricted ALL flights from those regions...or at least been more proactive on a solution. It isn't like this just sneaked up on us.  It has been a possible problem for several weeks now.

It's amazing how you can twist everything wrong in the world to make it Obama's fault and still claim not to be a racist.  Thomas Duncan flew to Washington Dulles on United Flight 951 from Brussels so from exactly which "regions" are you suggesting we restrict flights?

[Locutus]

Exactly Ex.  I made the point about European connections back on page 2 of this thread.  It's a complex issue. 

[Henry Hawk]

It's amazing how you can twist everything wrong in the world to make it Obama's fault and still claim not to be a racist.  Thomas Duncan flew to Washington Dulles on United Flight 951 from Brussels so from exactly which "regions" are you suggesting we restrict flights?

How about getting your facts right Thomas Eric Duncan came from Liberia. He left Monrovia Sept. 19 and arrived in the United States Sept 20.  He had a stop over in Brussels.  So, the regions I am suggesting ARE those that are KNOWN to have a problem with this virus.

It amazes me how YOU always twist EVERY criticism of this POTUS as racist.  EVERY DAMN TIME.  He DOES have some accountability to this.  Obama KNEW that liberia was feverish with this virus.  He had the authority to have done something.

[Exterminator]

How about getting your facts right Thomas Eric Duncan came from Liberia. He left Monrovia Sept. 19 and arrived in the United States Sept 20.  He had a stop over in Brussels.  So, the regions I am suggesting ARE those that are KNOWN to have a problem with this virus.

It was not merely a stop over; he changed planes and airlines.  At what point is it no longer reasonable to expect to restrict flights and from where?  One flight away from affected areas?  Two?  Restrict travel from anywhere where there is a connecting flight?  How about we just ground all air travel period...indefinitely.  Would that make you feel better?  Do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound?

It amazes me how YOU always twist EVERY criticism of this POTUS as racist.

Nope, not every criticism but your hatred is so profound that you can no longer think rationally and there is only one explanation.

[Henry Hawk]

It was not merely a stop over; he changed planes and airlines.  At what point is it no longer reasonable to expect to restrict flights and from where?  One flight away from affected areas?  Two?  Restrict travel from anywhere where there is a connecting flight?  How about we just ground all air travel period...indefinitely.  Would that make you feel better?  Do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound?

Simply doing nothing is not going to help the cause.  British Airways, Air France and Kenya Airways have stopped flights to and fro infected countries.  I realize it isn't an easy task, No, nobody is suggesting we ground all air travel.........do you have any idea how ridiculous YOU sound?....but as the Leader of this Nation, other countries look for our leadership.....we can encourage other Nations to step up, set up homeland security in these regions to screen travelers. Put forth the effort that we actually give a shit...rather than playing golf and fund raising in hollywood.

I do not HATE Obama.  I do think he is not a good leader.  Race has nothing to do with that.  I would vote for a number of folks who are not white, but as long as they lean conservative.   Hell, don't like most of the liberals in congress, and they are white.  So enough already with your lame excuse.

[Palehorse]

Simply doing nothing is not going to help the cause.  British Airways, Air France and Kenya Airways have stopped flights to and fro infected countries.  I realize it isn't an easy task, No, nobody is suggesting we ground all air travel.....

The fact is, even if we banned all foreign flights, (which we won't- not unless we want what remains of our airline infrastructure to collapse), it won't do a single thing to stop this unless Mexico, Canada, also do the same. Moreover, how about those cruise ships? And then there are those that will take those cruise ships to Canada and Mexico and cross the boarders illegally.

Those are bandaids. Research and development of a cure for disease is the remediation the world requires. But that is another issue now isn't it?

Reactionary steps will do nothing but create fear and promote anarchy.

This second case demonstrates our abject inability to contain an outbreak, as well as minimize an outbreak effectively. Ebola or otherwise. These two women treated the same patient, followed the same protocols, and both contracted the disease anyway. Moreover, there is NO restriction upon medical personnel, first responders, or anyone else coming into contact with a symptomatic individual; it is only when they become sick, or displaying symptoms, that the restrictions are applicable. Period. SO lets get that straight up front. Right, wrong, or indifferent, that is the law at this point in time.

There is a professional expectation of healthcare officials to self-monitor, not just in the case of this disease, but EVERY disease. This places a high level of trust upon these individuals; a trust that at least one of these "professionals" has shown may be ill-placed.

The assumption with Ebola is that one is not contagious until the point one displays symptoms. A dangerous assumption when we are talking about such a dangerous disease, but it is the exact same assumption we make with influenza, as well as a wide variation of infectious diseases.

It's a dangerous situation that is now multiplying exponentially. Those 132 people who accompanied that nurse on that flight, will likely come into contact with another 132 people each before they become symptomatic, and those may come into contact with hundreds of others each as well. You do the math and you'll soon discover that at some point this nation will reach critical mass that, using your methodology will restrict each and every one of us to our homes for 21 days; and require a healthcare official to declare us symptom free after that 21 day period before we are allowed to return to our lives and work. All from patient Zero, who was wrongly diagnosed by a healthcare professional with a lethargic attitude toward his/her work.

A cure requires R&D and validation per FDA protocol. And the dollars to pay for it. Dollars that have historically been federally subsidized, but due to cuts. . .

And that too, is another issue now isn't it?

[Exterminator]

I do not HATE Obama.  Race has nothing to do with that.

I sure wouldn't want to be you on judgement day.

[Anne]

Evidently the people who were treating Mr. Daniels were not restricted in their movements as the second nurse was given the ok to fly on the commericial airline by the CDC even though she has a low grade temp at the time. The end of blaming the nurse.

[libby]

Evidently the people who were treating Mr. Daniels were not restricted in their movements as the second nurse was given the ok to fly on the commericial airline by the CDC even though she has a low grade temp at the time. The end of blaming the nurse.

"The end of blaming the nurse." 
I didn't catch everything, but when I looked at NBC TV to catch today's weather,  a nurse who also apparently works at the same hospital was being interviewed on the Today Show by Matt Lauer regarding what went on. She was obviously nervous, but gave specific answers about how the virus was most likely transferred from the dying patient to the two nurses.  (They hadn't been properly briefed or trained and didn't have the proper 'suiting up' gear, for starters.)

I think NBC is going to air he interview again. It is definitely worth watching.   

[The Troll]

   Republicans are now saying that Obama should stop the panic going over the country about Ebola.  WHAT DAMN PANIC?  99.9% on the American public hasn't  been  near anyone who has Ebola.  Just some more lying bullshit coming from the damn Republican Party.   

[me]

   Republicans are now saying that Obama should stop the panic going over the country about Ebola.  WHAT DAMN PANIC?  99.9% on the American public hasn't  been  near anyone who has Ebola.  Just some more lying bullshit coming from the damn Republican Party.   

Being lied to by the CDC and yes, Obama, is causing people to question what is really going on and is creating a form of panic.  Tell me you wouldn't be concerned if you lived in Georgia or Dallas and knew someone who had this was there.  This administration needs to be honest and tell people what's going on and quit trying to cover things up.  Also the media needs to quit lying to cover up for the administration and tell the truth for a change. 

[Locutus]

Please point out the lies that are being told.  I can't wait to hear them.