I hope they fry his ass.
Abortion Doctor Kermit Gosnell Ends Defense With No Witnesses
By COLLEEN CURRY
April 24, 2013
The attorney for controversial abortion doctor and accused murderer Kermit Gosnell rested his defense today without presenting any witnesses or calling on Gosnell to testify.
The announcement by Gosnell's attorney, Jack McMahon, came just a day after the defense began presenting its case, and signaled a quick end to a trial that has seen five weeks of testimony from prosecution witnesses.
Both prosecutors and defense attorneys will have the rest of the week to prepare closing statements in the case, which they will be present on Monday, according to ABC News affiliate WPVI.
Gosnell is charged with four counts of first degree murder stemming from the practices at his Philadelphia abortion clinic where he allegedly used untrained staff to help perform late term abortions that included, according to testimony, delivering babies and then killing them outside the womb.
He is accused of using scissors to snip the spinal chords of infants in cases where the abortion inside the womb failed, and the babies were delivered.
He could face the death penalty if convicted of first degree murder.
Prosecutors also say that the doctor overdosed a female patient with anesthesia and failed to get her medical help, which led to her death. He is charged with third degree murder in her death.
Earlier this week, Judge Jeffrey Minehart dismissed three other murder charges that concerned allegedly killing infants that were born alive. Minehart said there was not enough evidence to send the charges to a jury.
Workers from the clinic had testified during the prosecution's case that they had seen some of the infants take a breath or move after they were delivered from their mothers, which prosecutors said showed that Gosnell killed viable infants after botched abortions, leading to the murder charges.
Gosnell's attorney asked Minehart to dismiss the charges after the prosecution rested.
"There is not one piece - not one - of objective, scientific evidence that anyone was born alive," McMahon said, according to WPVI. "These are not the movements of a live child."
The trial has roused both sides of the abortion debate, with abortion-rights activists condemning Gosnell's murder as far outside the bounds of legalized abortion and anti-abortions rights groups hoping the trial sheds light on what they see as the troubling aspects of abortion.
Ann Scheidler, a vice president for the Pro-Life Action League, said that the dropped charges showed the "gray area" that is difficult to sort through when it comes to judging when an infant is considered alive, with its own rights.
"It certainly does highlight the complications that begin to emerge when you're talking about life and death and that short distance, that short time between being in the womb and out of the womb," Scheidler said.
"At some point we're going to have to face the issue of just what is the difference and why is it okay to take a person's life if that life is still inside the womb, or when the baby is outside the womb but the intention was to take its life inside," she said.
Vicki Saporta, president for the abortion rights group National Abortion Federation, said that Gosnell took advantage of the women who came to him in need of an abortion. She said his clinic is not representative of safe, regulated abortion clinics.
"Unfortunately, you do have rogue providers that prey on the most vulnerable of women and regardless of a woman's income level they deserve access to high quality care," Saporta said.
Saporta noted that Pennsylvania already has strict abortion regulations, but that the regulations were not enforced, allowing Gosnell to run an illegal operation.
"The fact that he wasn't providing care later and wasn't ensuring fetal demise and not operating under any established standards of care and outside of the law is the problem in this case, and not indicative of the high quality care available across the country," Saporta said.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/abortion-doctor-kermit-gosnell-ends-defense-witnesses/story?id=19031475#.UXlXz8qCUhc
I have seen a little about it, but it has not been in the media much, wonder why? He certainly isn't a good doctor, if what he is accused of is true (and I think it probably is).
It's been on Fox a lot. They are following it pretty close and have someone in the court every day. This guy is a sick person.
Quote from: Anne on April 25, 2013, 03:49:55 PM
I have seen a little about it, but it has not been in the media much, wonder why? He certainly isn't a good doctor, if what he is accused of is true (and I think it probably is).
That's RW Noize Machine bull puckey! Are you next going to make all the unwarranted extrapolations they have all based on that fallacious premise?
1. All anyone has to do is let your lil' fingers do the walking through Google and there are lots of legitimate media outlets covering the case.
2. The case is actually a local Philly murder case which is why you're not being inundated with it on your local Indiana - or other locales outside of PA. - news.
3. Murder case - local Philly to boot - not a legal case about abortion as you and the RW Noize Machine want it to be.
4. This isn't the first time some doctor turns out to be a sociopath.
That being said, the guy is apparently a nutbag or a monster and in either case should be removed from society.
Quote from: Y on April 25, 2013, 05:03:24 PM
That's RW Noize Machine bull puckey! Are you next going to make all the unwarranted extrapolations they have all based on that fallacious premise?
1. All anyone has to do is let your lil' fingers do the walking through Google and there are lots of legitimate media outlets covering the case.
2. The case is actually a local Philly murder case which is why you're not being inundated with it on your local Indiana - or other locales outside of PA. - news.
3. Murder case - local Philly to boot - not a legal case about abortion as you and the RW Noize Machine want it to be.
4. This isn't the first time some doctor turns out to be a sociopath.
That being said, the guy is apparently a nutbag or a monster and in either case should be removed from society.
Has just as much to do with Indiana as that nut killing her boy friend that was all over the media. How many other clinics may have this same thing going on in them? People need to be made aware that all clinics are not good ones and raise questions about the ones in their area even if they are for abortion.
Quote from: me on April 25, 2013, 05:44:55 PM
Has just as much to do with Indiana as that nut killing her boy friend that was all over the media. How many other clinics may have this same thing going on in them? People need to be made aware that all clinics are not good ones and raise questions about the ones in their area even if they are for abortion.
1. What nut are you talking about?
2. That's an entirely different subject.
Quote from: Y on April 25, 2013, 05:52:19 PM
1. What nut are you talking about?
2. That's an entirely different subject.
I'm talking about news worthiness. That woman killing her boyfriend was not all that newsworthy.
Quote from: me on April 25, 2013, 05:57:27 PM
I'm talking about news worthiness. That woman killing her boyfriend was not all that newsworthy.
What woman? It must not have been that newsworthy around here because I don't know who you're talking about - and I watch the news and read the local paper and news blurbs.
...and it's still another subject. :razz:
Quote from: Y on April 25, 2013, 06:03:07 PM
What woman? It must not have been that newsworthy around here because I don't know who you're talking about - and I watch the news and read the local paper and news blurbs.
...and it's still another subject. :razz:
That idiot that stabbed and shot her boyfriend in the shower and now can't remember any of it. Don't try to act like you didn't hear about it 'cause it was all over yahoo and other places.
Quote from: me on April 25, 2013, 07:14:01 PM
That idiot that stabbed and shot her boyfriend in the shower and now can't remember any of it. Don't try to act like you didn't hear about it 'cause it was all over yahoo and other places.
Sorry, I really don't know what you're talking about. I asked my wife and she doesn't know about it either. Yee-hoo is only rarely in my diet - and I do mean rarely. Sorry 'bout yer luck! :razz:
Here ya go https://www.google.com/search?q=jody+arias&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
Quote from: Y on April 25, 2013, 07:25:02 PM
Sorry, I really don't know what you're talking about. I asked my wife and she doesn't know about it either. Yee-hoo is only rarely in my diet - and I do mean rarely. Sorry 'bout yer luck! :razz:
CNN or one of those channels has the trial on every time I surf past it. I think maybe it is in Texas(?).
Quote from: me on April 25, 2013, 12:25:34 PM
I hope they fry his ass.
Abortion Doctor Kermit Gosnell Ends Defense With No Witnesses
. . .
http://abcnews.go.com/US/abortion-doctor-kermit-gosnell-ends-defense-witnesses/story?id=19031475#.UXlXz8qCUhc
Quote from: me on April 25, 2013, 08:26:01 PM
Here ya go https://www.google.com/search?q=jody+arias&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
Both of these stories are nothing but sensationalistic journalism that belongs in the likes of the National Enquirer, etc.
And CNN is riding the Arias trial into the ground and straight to hell; and taking their reputation along for the ride.
Quote from: Palehorse on April 25, 2013, 11:51:34 PM
Both of these stories are nothing but sensationalistic journalism that belongs in the likes of the National Enquirer, etc.
And CNN is riding the Arias trial into the ground and straight to hell; and taking their reputation along for the ride.
On the Arias trial I'll have to agree with you but the other one, Fox isn't running it into the ground just keeping things up to date, is something that should be reported on. This place was a pig sty with untrained anesthesiologists and it hadn't been inspected for years. How many more are there like this? Hell, one woman testified she heard the baby's heart beat and changed her mind but was drugged and the baby taken anyway. Another died because she was given too much anesthetic administered by an untrained anesthesiologist. Just because these were poor people doesn't mean they should have to be subjected to those kind of conditions because some bureaucrat decided to let their inspections slide. Yes, I'm against abortion but things like this should be brought to light and the clinics either closed down or restaffed.
Where is your self-righteous indignation over this guy? (http://www.kjrh.com/dpp/news/local_news/more-former-dental-patients-of-dr-scott-harrington-test-positive-for-hepatitis-c-totaling-56)
Quote from: Exterminator on April 26, 2013, 10:07:08 AM
Where is your self-righteous indignation over this guy? (http://www.kjrh.com/dpp/news/local_news/more-former-dental-patients-of-dr-scott-harrington-test-positive-for-hepatitis-c-totaling-56)
He got plenty of coverage on the news.
Quote from: Anne on April 25, 2013, 03:49:55 PM
I have seen a little about it, but it has not been in the media much, wonder why? He certainly isn't a good doctor, if what he is accused of is true (and I think it probably is).
It's the lack of coverage on the other one that also pisses me off. I posted like I did to see how many of you had even heard the story.
Quote from: me on April 26, 2013, 10:25:52 AM
He got plenty of coverage on the news.
So has this story but you didn't mention the dentist. I'm sure it has nothing to do with one of them being white. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on April 26, 2013, 10:51:59 AM
So has this story but you didn't mention the dentist. I'm sure it has nothing to do with one of them being white. :rolleyes:
This story has had very little to no coverage on the lame stream media and the other has. Has nothing to do with color what-so-ever dumb ass. It was those of his own race he was doing this to for the most part and any way you look at it it's wrong. Get off that damn racist thing it does nothing but make you look ridiculous in cases like this.
Again with the name calling? The truth really stings; doesn't it? As for the rest of your garbage, I've addressed it in the TUZ lie tracker.
Quote from: Exterminator on April 26, 2013, 02:24:19 PM
Again with the name calling? The truth really stings; doesn't it? As for the rest of your garbage, I've addressed it in the TUZ lie tracker.
What truth? Not a thing you said was true. You had no valid point to make so you resorted to insinuating I was a racist.
Quote from: me on April 26, 2013, 04:16:19 PM
What truth? Not a thing you said was true. You had no valid point to make so you resorted to insinuating I was a racist.
You
are a fucking racist.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eY7ZX6ngOSs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eY7ZX6ngOSs)
There is a special place in hell for people involved in the abortion industry. I do not carel what color the abortionist is.
Quote from: RC on April 29, 2013, 01:08:41 PM
There is a special place in hell for people involved in the abortion industry. I do not carel what color the abortionist is.
To me it isn't so much that he was performing abortions it is the condition of the clinic and that the BOH knew about it and let him slide on inspections for, I'm thinking it was, 10 or more years. He was using untrained staff and killed a woman. If that's being a racist to object to that kind of thing just because a man happens to be black so be it. Let them call us racist RC we know who the true racists are.
Quote from: me on April 29, 2013, 02:38:35 PM
If that's being a racist to object to that kind of thing just because a man happens to be black...
No, it's being racist because a white dentist was caught in non-compliance that endangered far more people, scores of whom will live for the rest of their lives with serious health issues and will die early, and there wasn't a single peep made by you about that.
Quote from: Exterminator on April 29, 2013, 03:30:26 PM
No, it's being racist because a white dentist was caught in non-compliance that endangered far more people, scores of whom will live for the rest of their lives with serious health issues and will die early, and there wasn't a single peep made by you about that.
Did he kill anyone? Wasn't there plenty of coverage
ON TV when that happened? Quit trying to make this about race and pay attention for a change. You can't let people slide because they happen to be black.
Quote from: RC on April 29, 2013, 01:08:41 PM
There is a special place in hell for people involved in the abortion industry. I do not carel what color the abortionist is.
Oh dear lord on earth, please tell me what business do you have in controlling a woman's sex life or child bearing. :doh: How many of these unwanted fetus's would you yourself adopted. :confused:
If it is none, why don't you shut up your damn mouth, because it's none of your damn business. :yes: :rant:
Quote from: me on April 29, 2013, 03:33:20 PM
Did he kill anyone? Wasn't there plenty of coverage ON TV when that happened? Quit trying to make this about race and pay attention for a change. You can't let people slide because they happen to be black.
Just because no one has died
yet doesn't mean the dentist hasn't contributed to shortening anyone's life...lots of people. Both cases have been covered in the media but I've seen much more on the abortion doctor than the dentist.
In no way have I suggested that the abortion doctor should get off because he's black; I merely rhetorically questioned why this case was so important for you to mention here when another equally egregious example of a doctor failing to live up to his vows wasn't worth your time. I think we all know the answer to that one.
Quote from: Exterminator on April 30, 2013, 09:20:33 AM
Just because no one has died yet doesn't mean the dentist hasn't contributed to shortening anyone's life...lots of people. Both cases have been covered in the media but I've seen much more on the abortion doctor than the dentist.
In no way have I suggested that the abortion doctor should get off because he's black; I merely rhetorically questioned why this case was so important for you to mention here when another equally egregious example of a doctor failing to live up to his vows wasn't worth your time. I think we all know the answer to that one.
Well you think wrong. This doctor, and I use the term loosely, is on trial for murder and the dentist isn't. The dentist was shut down and this clinic was operating for at least 11 yrs without being inspected and the BOH knew about the conditions but did nothing. Why? This guy's lawyer is even trying to use the racist defense to get him off saying the government is only prosecuting him because he is black. Now that is a crock. Being black doesn't excuse doing wrong.
Quote from: me on April 30, 2013, 10:23:40 AM
Well you think wrong.
Nope; there is a distinct pattern to your postings.
Quote from: Exterminator on April 30, 2013, 10:33:59 AM
Nope; there is a distinct pattern to your postings.
What ever Skippy. It's ridiculous that a person can't object to someone's behavior based on color. Maybe that defense will work for him after all if the jury is made up of people like you.
Quote from: me on April 30, 2013, 10:54:58 AM
What ever Skippy. It's ridiculous that a person can't object to someone's behavior based on color. Maybe that defense will work for him after all if the jury is made up of people like you.
Two words: Pattern. Recognition.
Quote from: Exterminator on April 30, 2013, 12:03:49 PM
Two words: Pattern. Recognition.
And you definitely show a pattern and I do recognize it. It's called the typical response of a Liberal to a situation such as this when it involves one of their own or someone who is doing their bidding.
Quote from: me on April 30, 2013, 12:31:52 PM
And you definitely show a pattern and I do recognize it. It's called the typical response of a Liberal to a situation such as this when it involves one of their own or someone who is doing their bidding.
Stereotype much? :rolleyes:
Quote from: Palehorse on April 30, 2013, 12:32:40 PM
Stereotype much? :rolleyes:
The shoe fits so, yes in this case. Start paying attention and you might be surprised what you notice. Even blacks who don't agree with liberals are targets.
Quote from: Palehorse on April 30, 2013, 12:32:40 PM
Stereotype much? :rolleyes:
It is a bigot's stock in trade.
Quote from: Exterminator on April 30, 2013, 01:21:25 PM
It is a bigot's stock in trade.
Oh really? http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/index.php?topic=16971.msg473096#msg473096
Quote from: me on April 30, 2013, 12:52:01 PM
. . . Start paying attention and you might be surprised what you notice. Even blacks who don't agree with liberals are targets.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Quote from: me on April 30, 2013, 12:52:01 PM
The shoe fits so, yes in this case. Start paying attention and you might be surprised what you notice. Even blacks who don't agree with liberals are targets.
Your inference that I am a dumbs is duly noted, and I would remind you that I do not tolerate fools lightly.
Quote from: Palehorse on May 01, 2013, 11:27:29 AM
Your inference that I am a dumbs is duly noted, and I would remind you that I do not tolerate fools lightly.
Condie, Cain, Thomas, shall I go on? Wasn't inferring anything of the sort was just saying ya'll are doing exactly what you are accusing us of and excusing it by saying they deserve it. You can draw a caricature of any conservative black and it's fine but draw one of Obama or any other liberal and that's racist. You personally may not but the others do and you know it. You also chime in with them at times so that's guilt by association as you tell me all the time.
And when have you seen someone carrying a sign with a carricature of one of those people with a bone in his/her nose? Oh, that's right...NEVER!
Quote from: me on April 30, 2013, 12:52:01 PM
The shoe fits so, yes in this case. Start paying attention and you might be surprised what you notice. . .
Right here you infer it. I suppose now we will be subjected to more of your after the fact cya BS.
Quote from: Palehorse on May 01, 2013, 07:54:52 PM
Right here you infer it. I suppose now we will be subjected to more of your after the fact cya BS.
Only inferring that you aren't paying attention. If you consider that saying you're dumb so be it but that isn't what I'm inferring so don't put words in my mouth or second guess what I mean.
Quote from: me on May 01, 2013, 09:12:19 PM
Only inferring that you aren't paying attention. If you consider that saying you're dumb so be it . . .
And again. . . :rolleyes:
Quote from: me on April 29, 2013, 03:33:20 PM
You can't let people slide because they happen to be black.
And he won't. (http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/13/justice/pennsylvania-abortion-doctor-trial/index.html?hpt=hp_t1) (link to lame-stream media outlet not covering the story)
Ya, now they are. Did they cover the trial like they did Jodie and that other idiot who murdered his wife? How much did you hear about it until things were drawing to a close?
Quote from: me on May 13, 2013, 04:10:52 PM
Ya, now they are. Did they cover the trial like they did Jodie and that other idiot who murdered his wife? How much did you hear about it until things were drawing to a close?
As I have pointed out previously, this case has been covered by virtually every major news outlet since the initial raid of the clinic and they have followed the progress all along.
To be truthful, any story with tawdry discussions of anal sex is naturally going to get a lot more attention (and avoid the issue of abortion as an extra bonus). :biggrin:
Quote from: Exterminator on May 13, 2013, 04:17:30 PM
As I have pointed out previously, this case has been covered by virtually every major news outlet since the initial raid of the clinic and they have followed the progress all along.
To be truthful, any story with tawdry discussions of anal sex is naturally going to get a lot more attention (and avoid the issue of abortion as an extra bonus). :biggrin:
True, but I'm glad they are going to fry his ass at any rate. What he did to those women and babies is inexcusable. Why he was even allowed to operate under those conditions should be looked into thoroughly and heads should roll.
The reality is that he won't fry until a few of us are already fertilizer ourselves due to natural causes. (IF he fries at all).
Quote from: Palehorse on May 23, 2013, 12:16:28 AM
The reality is that he won't fry until a few of us are already fertilizer ourselves due to natural causes. (IF he fries at all).
He will be suffering in solitary though 'cause I imagine he wouldn't be safe in the general population. I would say to some inside those walls he harmed kids and they don't take too kindly to that from what I understand. I realize that isn't the same as a rape or something would be but........
http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/15/us/gallery/female-death-row-inmates (http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/15/us/gallery/female-death-row-inmates)
Check out how long some of these women have been on death row in this country.
Quote from: Palehorse on May 23, 2013, 12:54:18 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/15/us/gallery/female-death-row-inmates (http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/15/us/gallery/female-death-row-inmates)
Check out how long some of these women have been on death row in this country.
That can't be a pleasant thing.
Quote from: me on May 23, 2013, 06:15:34 AM
That can't be a pleasant thing.
And yet, each one of these women costs the various states they reside in 30k a year or more to keep. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on May 23, 2013, 11:34:44 AM
And yet, each one of these women costs the various states they reside in 30k a year or more to keep. . .
So what are you suggesting? There are processes which have to be gone through or those little "goody goody" groups raise hell.