1. Dinosaurs and humans probably hung out: "Bible-believing Christians cannot accept any evolutionary interpretation. Dinosaurs and humans were definitely on the earth at the same time and may have even lived side by side within the past few thousand years."—Life Science, 3rd ed., Bob Jones University Press, 2007
2. Dragons were totally real: "[Is] it possible that a fire-breathing animal really existed? Today some scientists are saying yes. They have found large chambers in certain dinosaur skulls...The large skull chambers could have contained special chemical-producing glands. When the animal forced the chemicals out of its mouth or nose, these substances may have combined and produced fire and smoke."—Life Science, 3rd ed., Bob Jones University Press, 2007
3. "God used the Trail of Tears to bring many Indians to Christ."—America: Land That I Love, Teacher ed., A Beka Book, 1994
4. Africa needs religion: "Africa is a continent with many needs. It is still in need of the gospel...Only about ten percent of Africans can read and write. In some areas the mission schools have been shut down by Communists who have taken over the government."—Old World History and Geography in Christian Perspective, 3rd ed., A Beka Book, 2004
5. Slave masters were nice guys: "A few slave holders were undeniably cruel. Examples of slaves beaten to death were not common, neither were they unknown. The majority of slave holders treated their slaves well."—United States History for Christian Schools, 2nd ed., Bob Jones University Press, 1991
6. The KKK was A-OK: "[The Ku Klux] Klan in some areas of the country tried to be a means of reform, fighting the decline in morality and using the symbol of the cross. Klan targets were bootleggers, wife-beaters, and immoral movies. In some communities it achieved a certain respectability as it worked with politicians."—United States History for Christian Schools, 3rd ed., Bob Jones University Press, 2001
7. The Great Depression wasn't as bad as the liberals made it sound: "Perhaps the best known work of propaganda to come from the Depression was John Steinbeck's The Grapes of Wrath...Other forms of propaganda included rumors of mortgage foreclosures, mass evictions, and hunger riots and exaggerated statistics representing the number of unemployed and homeless people in America."—United States History: Heritage of Freedom, 2nd ed., A Beka Book, 1996
8. SCOTUS enslaved fetuses: "Ignoring 3,500 years of Judeo-Christian civilization, religion, morality, and law, the Burger Court held that an unborn child was not a living person but rather the "property" of the mother (much like slaves were considered property in the 1857 case of Dred Scott v. Sandford)."—American Government in Christian Perspective, 2nd ed., A Beka Book, 1997
9. The Red Scare isn't over yet: "It is no wonder that Satan hates the family and has hurled his venom against it in the form of Communism."— American Government in Christian Perspective, 2nd ed., A Beka Book, 1997
10. Mark Twain and Emily Dickinson were a couple of hacks: "[Mark] Twain's outlook was both self-centered and ultimately hopeless...Twain's skepticism was clearly not the honest questioning of a seeker of truth but the deliberate defiance of a confessed rebel."—Elements of Literature for Christian Schools, Bob Jones University, 2001
"Several of [Emily Dickinson's] poems show a presumptuous attitude concerning her eternal destiny and a veiled disrespect for authority in general. Throughout her life she viewed salvation as a gamble, not a certainty. Although she did view the Bible as a source of poetic inspiration, she never accepted it as an inerrant guide to life."—Elements of Literature for Christian Schools, Bob Jones University, 2001
11. Abstract algebra is too dang complicated: "Unlike the 'modern math' theorists, who believe that mathematics is a creation of man and thus arbitrary and relative, A Beka Book teaches that the laws of mathematics are a creation of God and thus absolute...A Beka Book provides attractive, legible, and workable traditional mathematics texts that are not burdened with modern theories such as set theory."—ABeka.com
12. Gay people "have no more claims to special rights than child molesters or rapists."—Teacher's Resource Guide to Current Events for Christian Schools, 1998-1999, Bob Jones University Press, 1998
13. "Global environmentalists have said and written enough to leave no doubt that their goal is to destroy the prosperous economies of the world's richest nations."—Economics: Work and Prosperity in Christian Perspective, 2nd ed., A Beka Book, 1999
14. Globalization is a precursor to rapture: "But instead of this world unification ushering in an age of prosperity and peace, as most globalists believe it will, it will be a time of unimaginable human suffering as recorded in God's Word. The Anti-christ will tightly regulate who may buy and sell."—Economics: Work and Prosperity in Christian Perspective, 2nd ed., A Beka Book, 1999
http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marble/2012/07/photos-evangelical-curricula-louisiana-tax-dollars
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Is that the kind of material that should be included in textbooks funded by taxpayer dollars via a voucher program? This list doesn't even include the ignorant hippie statements from the other thread.
That is the most ridulous thing I ever heard. The left and unions will do anything to get rid of the non unionized and private schools.
Quote from: me on March 08, 2013, 11:56:04 AM
That is the most ridulous thing I ever heard. The left and unions will do anything to get rid of the non unionized and private schools.
The left and the unions didn't put that crap in the textbooks.
Lying scumbags. It kills me that they are getting away with this obvious pre-conditioning of the sheep. . .
Taken out of context, in an attempt to discredit, any school or program not approved by the NEA union thugs. Any thing is better than the government reeducation camps(aka public school). I have know many Bob Jones grads who have done very well in their lives. I have known many home schooled, young people who are doing well and far ahead of their public school peers.
hypocrites.... :yes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 08, 2013, 12:27:45 PM
hypocrites.... :yes:
How is anything that's been posted on this thread hypocritical?
Quote from: Locutus on March 08, 2013, 02:18:41 PM
How is anything that's been posted on this thread hypocritical?
Not going to mention any names, but I clearly see it.
Hypocrisy:
1 : a feigning to be what one is not or to believe what one does not ; especially : the false assumption of an appearance of virtue or religion 2 : an act or instance of hypocrisy
Not seeing it.
Quote from: me on March 08, 2013, 11:56:04 AM
That is the most ridulous thing I ever heard. The left and unions will do anything to get rid of the non unionized and private schools.
Am I to take it that you approve of taxpayer dollars going to enable a generation of children who have been instructed with the type of information found in the books above? That's exactly what's happening. I find that a stretch for even you.
It has nothing to do with unions, and shouldn't be a left/right issue at all.
I ask again. Would you approve of your taxpayer dollars in Indiana going to instruct schoolchildren using books like the ones cited above?
Quote from: RC on March 08, 2013, 12:19:57 PM
Taken out of context, in an attempt to discredit, any school or program not approved by the NEA union thugs. Any thing is better than the government reeducation camps(aka public school). I have know many Bob Jones grads who have done very well in their lives. I have known many home schooled, young people who are doing well and far ahead of their public school peers.
How would you know what context those remarks are in? They're clearly erroneous (some egregiously erroneous) and taxpayer dollars shouldn't be going to fund material like that. For the record, I don't think taxpayer dollars should be going to fund/supplement
any private educational institution Christian or otherwise.
Let's just try an exercise though. How do you defend this? Please tell me how this one isn't erroneous regardless of any 'context' in which it was presented:
1. Dinosaurs and humans probably hung out: "Bible-believing Christians cannot accept any evolutionary interpretation.
Dinosaurs and humans were definitely on the earth at the same time and may have even lived side by side within the past few thousand years."—Life Science, 3rd ed., Bob Jones University Press, 2007
You're wasting your time, Locutus; note how the least literate and least educated among us immediately came to the forefront to defend those issues with absolutely no consideration of how inane those ideals may be. They care more about their obviously skewed mentality and agenda than they do about what actually makes sense...to any thinking person.
I know. I just thought I would plumb the depths of ignorance to start the weekend. ;D
There are some other depths I plan to plumb to start my weekend! :biggrin:
Quote from: Exterminator on March 08, 2013, 08:40:36 PM
There are some other depths I plan to plumb to start my weekend! :biggrin:
;D
Me too; trust me!
I don't agree with the things in the first post, except maybe number 8. That being said, don't all voucher systems direct students to private schools and aren't 90 percent or more religious? I noticed almost all of the excerpts were from Bob Jones University which is a VERY strict sect. Do all the schools in that state use these particular books? I guess what I am getting at is that I think most people who use vouchers do so because they want their children to get a better education than they are getting in the public school system. If they are that concerned with their children's education they would investigate what the curriculum would be and if they didn't agree with it would not send their children to that particular school.
What would RC, Henry and "ME" know about anything. They right wing SCABS. :finger2:
Quote from: Anne on March 08, 2013, 09:33:26 PM
I don't agree with the things in the first post, except maybe number 8. That being said, don't all voucher systems direct students to private schools and aren't 90 percent or more religious? I noticed almost all of the excerpts were from Bob Jones University which is a VERY strict sect. Do all the schools in that state use these particular books? I guess what I am getting at is that I think most people who use vouchers do so because they want their children to get a better education than they are getting in the public school system. If they are that concerned with their children's education they would investigate what the curriculum would be and if they didn't agree with it would not send their children to that particular school.
It's a demonstrable fact that the public education system in Louisiana isn't the best, but do you really think that this is a good solution? They're teaching the children lies.
How can
any adult, who has a smidgen of marbles rolling around in their head, come to any conclusion remotely like one that would state that this is somehow a better education than what's offered publicly?
Teaching children this kind of crap enables future generations of idiots. It makes me very fearful for the future.
You can see how many "Slow" and Stupid people there can be when you count the churches in a state. And believe me, cause I been there, just count the churches in Louisiana. :pray: :preach: :pope: :doh:
Quote from: The Troll on March 08, 2013, 10:22:48 PM
:pope:
Is that the new poop or the old one? :biggrin:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 08, 2013, 12:27:45 PM
hypocrites.... :yes:
You wouldn't know a hypocrite if they walked up and bitch slapped you. (You look at one in the mirror every day).
Quote from: Locutus on March 08, 2013, 10:24:22 PM
Is that the new poop or the old one? :biggrin:
Its the ghost of poopie's past! :icon_twisted:
Quote from: Locutus on March 08, 2013, 10:16:07 PM
It's a demonstrable fact that the public education system in Louisiana isn't the best, but do you really think that this is a good solution? They're teaching the children lies.
How can any adult, who has a smidgen of marbles rolling around in their head, come to any conclusion remotely like one that would state that this is somehow a better education than what's offered publicly?
Teaching children this kind of crap enables future generations of idiots. It makes me very fearful for the future.
No, I don't think teaching kids 'lies' is a good thing. Are all the voucher schools in Louisiana teaching from this set of books? If they aren't, do you do away with the vouchers and hope for the public schools to do better? I just think that you need to balance it out. Which would you choose, sending your child to a religious private school where he/she would get a solid background in basics and you could 'edit' the religious stuff with home environment or to a public school where they might not even get the basics? My grandchildren went to a private Catholic grade school one year (they aren[t Catholic) and they pretty much used the same school books the public school did. It all still comes back to personal responsibility for yourself and your children.
Quote from: Palehorse on March 09, 2013, 12:10:51 AM
You wouldn't know a hypocrite if they walked up and bitch slapped you. (You look at one in the mirror every day).
Oh, I KNOW a hypocrite when I see one..... ;) and speaking of mirrors....you should look into one before you speak.
Quote from: Anne on March 09, 2013, 12:34:22 PM
No, I don't think teaching kids 'lies' is a good thing. Are all the voucher schools in Louisiana teaching from this set of books? If they aren't, do you do away with the vouchers and hope for the public schools to do better? I just think that you need to balance it out. Which would you choose, sending your child to a religious private school where he/she would get a solid background in basics and you could 'edit' the religious stuff with home environment or to a public school where they might not even get the basics? My grandchildren went to a private Catholic grade school one year (they aren[t Catholic) and they pretty much used the same school books the public school did. It all still comes back to personal responsibility for yourself and your children.
No, it comes back to accountability for the quality and accuracy of the things our tax dollars pay for.
Quote from: Palehorse on March 09, 2013, 02:14:41 PM
No, it comes back to accountability for the quality and accuracy of the things our tax dollars pay for.
Which comes down to if the public schools were better people wouldn't be getting the vouchers in the first place. Unions be damned teachers that aren't producing should be fired and then maybe our public schools would get better Louisiana just happens to be unlucky enough that neither is any good for the most part so tax dollars are being wasted on both private and public schools in that state from the sound of it.
Indiana isn't much better.
Quote from: Palehorse on March 09, 2013, 09:44:30 PM
Indiana isn't much better.
What do you think would make it better? More money, less money, nicer buildings, more teachers, higher education standards for teachers (all have masters degrees), more rules, less rules? Seems like most things have been tried and nothing seems to be working.
Quote from: Anne on March 10, 2013, 04:26:49 PM
What do you think would make it better? More money, less money, nicer buildings, more teachers, higher education standards for teachers (all have masters degrees), more rules, less rules? Seems like most things have been tried and nothing seems to be working.
One thing would help would be cut the number of single unmarried women and sperm donors who run away from supporting the children they bring in to this world. :yes:
With the divorce rate of 55% or more, there couldn't be a greater reason for having problem children in our school. :yes:
Quote from: Anne on March 10, 2013, 04:26:49 PM
What do you think would make it better? More money, less money, nicer buildings, more teachers, higher education standards for teachers (all have masters degrees), more rules, less rules? Seems like most things have been tried and nothing seems to be working.
Accountability.
Quote from: Palehorse on March 10, 2013, 04:54:41 PM
Accountability.
If you're referring to the teachers it wouldn't matter because the union wouldn't allow them to be fired.
Quote from: Palehorse on March 10, 2013, 04:54:41 PM
Accountability.
Parents, teachers, students, school administrators, school boards?
Quote from: Anne on March 10, 2013, 04:26:49 PM
What do you think would make it better? More money, less money, nicer buildings, more teachers, higher education standards for teachers (all have masters degrees), more rules, less rules? Seems like most things have been tried and nothing seems to be working.
With so many stupid people breeding, maybe it's the quality of the raw materials the teachers and schools are given.
Not an answer.
Quote from: Anne on March 10, 2013, 06:30:41 PM
Parents, teachers, students, school administrators, school boards?
All of the above; but lets start with teachers, school boards, and administrators.
Quote from: Locutus on March 08, 2013, 10:16:07 PM
It's a demonstrable fact that the public education system in Louisiana isn't the best, but do you really think that this is a good solution? They're teaching the children lies.
How can any adult, who has a smidgen of marbles rolling around in their head, come to any conclusion remotely like one that would state that this is somehow a better education than what's offered publicly?
Teaching children this kind of crap enables future generations of idiots. It makes me very fearful for the future.
We have already seen the results of such teaching and he is posting here among us now. RC ... didn't you take some classes at BJU?
Dirty hippies... (http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/03/11/174067341/book-news-hippies-were-dirty-and-liked-music-by-satanists-louisiana-textbook-cla?utm_source=NPR&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=20130312)
Quote from: Palehorse on March 11, 2013, 11:58:57 PM
All of the above; but lets start with teachers, school boards, and administrators.
I would add parents before the school boards simply because they are or should be the primary influence on their child.
Quote from: Anne on March 12, 2013, 01:02:16 PM
I would add parents before the school boards simply because they are or should be the primary influence on their child.
Agreed!
Quote from: Anne on March 12, 2013, 01:02:16 PM
I would add parents before the school boards simply because they are or should be the primary influence on their child.
In many cases they shouldn't be.
Quote from: followsthewolf on March 12, 2013, 02:22:55 PM
In many cases they shouldn't be.
Man! You're reading my mind!
One big thing they could quit doing is passing a child who hasn't learned just to keep from "singeling them out" and making them feel bad.
Quote from: followsthewolf on March 12, 2013, 02:22:55 PM
In many cases they shouldn't be.
If they are held accountable, at least made to show up at a conference (and I if they don't show up after a few attempts then the police or cps should excort them to the conference) then at least the teacher/counselor has a first hand look at what is going on at home. Schools are not supposed to teach things like respect (for adults and self) and restraint. Parents need to teach their children those things. I could go on and on about the lack of parenting, but I won't. My husband says Dr. Spock was the worst thing for children since before child labor laws were passed, and in some ways I agree with him.
Quote from: Anne on March 12, 2013, 06:28:24 PM
If they are held accountable, at least made to show up at a conference (and I if they don't show up after a few attempts then the police or cps should excort them to the conference) then at least the teacher/counselor has a first hand look at what is going on at home. Schools are not supposed to teach things like respect (for adults and self) and restraint. Parents need to teach their children those things. I could go on and on about the lack of parenting, but I won't. My husband says Dr. Spock was the worst thing for children since before child labor laws were passed, and in some ways I agree with him.
That would be a very good starting point since there are some good teachers who can't teach because the kids are so unruly and they have no control.
If they are teaching lies none of that matters.
Quote from: me on March 12, 2013, 06:50:48 PM
That would be a very good starting point since there are some good teachers who can't teach because the kids are so unruly and they have no control.
Just blame the lawyers and the stupid parents. The kids know you can't touch them let alone chew them out. You might hurt the little spoiled brats ego. :rant:
Quote from: Palehorse on March 12, 2013, 10:47:53 PM
If they are teaching lies none of that matters.
I wonder how many of the teachers really don't want to teach it but have no choice in the matter. Surely there are some that know better, well, one would hope so anyway.
What I want to know is when will America stop loving lies enough to once again return to science, logic, fact, evidence...blah blah blah - my usual rant.
Those people are SO scared reality will destroy their fantasies that they are willing to sacrifice their children to save their fantasies.
And their fantasies are based in fallacy - Appeal to Popularity and Appeal to Belief - that if you believe it, it is so, and the more people that believe it means it's reality/fact.
This country is going clinically insane.