Here we go with these rich Owners of Corporate restaurants threatening over the loss of their Golden Calf during the election.
They are all threatening to reduce hours and cut staff, and increase prices over the HRA.
First of all, reducing hours means they are going to drop the hours of their employees in order to avoid having to buy them healthcare. So why the hell do they need to increase prices then?
These lying SOB's are EXACTLY why the HRA was needed in the first place. (In part). :mad:
I say screw them. Raise prices and reduce the hours. And when your prices become unreasonable and your service shitty, no one will come to your damned stores. :rant:
Let us boycott these chains and make them unprofitable.
Applebees
Papa Johns
Red Lobster
Olive Garden
LongHorn Steakhouse
Bahama Breeze
Seasons 52
The Capital Grille
Eddie V's
Yard House
The first 4 are here in Anderson so I am starting there. Instead of ordering a pizza from Papa Johns, I'll go to 3rd Generation or make it at home. Instead of going to Applebees or Olive Garden, I'll make my favorites at home. (Costs less anyway). And Red Lobster can go pound sand up their ass as far as I am concerned. :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant:
Food sucks at the first four on that list anyway as far as I'm concerned.
Quote from: Locutus on November 11, 2012, 04:18:23 PM
Food sucks at the first four on that list anyway as far as I'm concerned.
Of course it does. That's why they are located in Anderson in the first place. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on November 11, 2012, 04:14:42 PM
Here we go with these rich Owners of Corporate restaurants threatening over the loss of their Golden Calf during the election.
They are all threatening to reduce hours and cut staff, and increase prices over the HRA.
First of all, reducing hours means they are going to drop the hours of their employees in order to avoid having to buy them healthcare. So why the hell do they need to increase prices then?
These lying SOB's are EXACTLY why the HRA was needed in the first place. (In part). :mad:
I say screw them. Raise prices and reduce the hours. And when your prices become unreasonable and your service shitty, no one will come to your damned stores. :rant:
Let us boycott these chains and make them unprofitable.
Applebees
Papa Johns
Red Lobster
Olive Garden
LongHorn Steakhouse
Bahama Breeze
Seasons 52
The Capital Grille
Eddie V's
Yard House
The first 4 are here in Anderson so I am starting there. Instead of ordering a pizza from Papa Johns, I'll go to 3rd Generation or make it at home. Instead of going to Applebees or Olive Garden, I'll make my favorites at home. (Costs less anyway). And Red Lobster can go pound sand up their ass as far as I am concerned. :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant:
My prediction is that all four of those places will close in Anderson if this policy is implemented. Most of them are likely only marginally profitable here anyway and such an ignorant move will serve to do nothing more than alienate what few customers they have now. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on November 11, 2012, 04:22:21 PM
Of course it does. That's why they are located in Anderson in the first place. . .
;D
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Here's a picture of Schnatter's house. (Poor bastard) :rolleyes:
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Nobody ever has enough, do they?
Or is is just some people?
And those are the ones who bitch the loudest.
Cutting their noses off to spite their faces. :no:
I just looked at that list again, and we have all of those restaurants here in South Florida except for Eddie V's.
Quote from: Palehorse on November 11, 2012, 04:29:42 PM
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Here's a picture of Schnatter's house. (Poor bastard) :rolleyes:
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Isn't it amazing how Schnatter can have a big fund raising party for Romney and live this big and still be so greedy that he doesn't want his employees to have health insurance. :rant:
It is really to bad that these type of people can't have a little bad karma, like going bankrupt because of their greed or some bad illness that money can't fix. It would be real justice. :yes: :mad:
Damn I hate these god damn Republicans. :rant: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
the bottom line is, the HCB, is forcing companies of 50 or more to carry insurance. That will cost MILLIONS of dollars to do for many companies. It forces the business to either RAISE their prices or not expand above 50.
I know the intention is good....but the means of accomplishing this is bad...for the economy.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 12, 2012, 11:57:15 AM
the bottom line is, the HCB, is forcing companies of 50 or more to carry insurance. That will cost MILLIONS of dollars to do for many companies. It forces the business to either RAISE their prices or not expand above 50.
I know the intention is good....but the means of accomplishing this is bad...for the economy.
Every singe one of these chain restaurants consists of tens of thousands of employees nation-wide, making them eligible for group insurance rates and coverage. Instead, they'll cut hours in order to skirt the law, and raise prices? Bullshit.
Schnatter and the others are a good example of this profiteering tactic and the way government caters to corporate Amerika. :rant:
Quote from: followsthewolf on November 11, 2012, 06:22:07 PM
Nobody ever has enough, do they?
Or is is just some people?
And those are the ones who bitch the loudest.
Yup! :yes: :rant:
Are the restaurants franchises or are they company owned?
Quote from: Palehorse on November 11, 2012, 04:14:42 PM
Here we go with these rich Owners of Corporate restaurants threatening over the loss of their Golden Calf during the election.
They are all threatening to reduce hours and cut staff, and increase prices over the HRA.
First of all, reducing hours means they are going to drop the hours of their employees in order to avoid having to buy them healthcare. So why the hell do they need to increase prices then?
These lying SOB's are EXACTLY why the HRA was needed in the first place. (In part). :mad:
I say screw them. Raise prices and reduce the hours. And when your prices become unreasonable and your service shitty, no one will come to your damned stores. :rant:
Let us boycott these chains and make them unprofitable.
Applebees
Papa Johns
Red Lobster
Olive Garden
LongHorn Steakhouse
Bahama Breeze
Seasons 52
The Capital Grille
Eddie V's
Yard House
The first 4 are here in Anderson so I am starting there. Instead of ordering a pizza from Papa Johns, I'll go to 3rd Generation or make it at home. Instead of going to Applebees or Olive Garden, I'll make my favorites at home. (Costs less anyway). And Red Lobster can go pound sand up their ass as far as I am concerned. :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant:
Places of employment have done that for years, Sears being the first that comes to mind, so whats the big deal with these places? But that's ok, hurt the employees even further by not patronizing the places of business so they have to close then the employees won't have to even worry about part time hours. :rolleyes:
Quote from: me on November 12, 2012, 07:15:58 PM
Places of employment have done that for years, Sears being the first that comes to mind, so whats the big deal with these places? But that's ok, hurt the employees even further by not patronizing the places of business so they have to close then the employees won't have to even worry about part time hours. :rolleyes:
You're as clueless about why this is important as you have proven yourself to be on virtually every other issue. You should just STFU and enjoy your life in your little white trash enclave. I'm sure there are lots of websites where you can find delusional people like yourself to agree with your outdated views. Go find them and revel in people telling you you're right. In the meanwhile, those of us that actually work and have some understanding about how things work will be growing grapes in England. You are what is wrong with our country and our recent election proves that the majority of the population don't agree with your bullshit.
Quote from: Anne on November 12, 2012, 01:57:16 PM
Are the restaurants franchises or are they company owned?
Some are and some are not. It is mixed in some of the companies. Just like Payton Manning now owns 23 Poppa Johns Pizza in Colorado. :yes: I guess he isn't making enough money playing football. :rolleyes: :pizza: :pizza: :pizza: :pizza: :pizza: :pizza: :pizza: :pizza: :pizza: :pizza: :pizza: :pizza: :pizza: :pizza: :pizza: :pizza: :pizza: :pizza: :pizza: :pizza: :pizza: :pizza: :pizza: Yes 23 :pizza: :biggrin:
Uh...there are 24 pizza eatin' smileys in your post. ;D
Quote from: Exterminator on November 12, 2012, 07:44:46 PM
You're as clueless about why this is important as you have proven yourself to be on virtually every other issue. You should just STFU and enjoy your life in your little white trash enclave. I'm sure there are lots of websites where you can find delusional people like yourself to agree with your outdated views. Go find them and revel in people telling you you're right. In the meanwhile, those of us that actually work and have some understanding about how things work will be growing grapes in England. You are what is wrong with our country and our recent election proves that the majority of the population don't agree with your bullshit.
Then quit shopping at all the other stores that do that and put them all out of business. Just because it's, in your mind, directed at Obama doesn't mean the others should slip through for doing the exact same thing. The employees will probably make more on unemployment anyway. I mean the suppliers may survive too but you sure could put a lot more people on the unemployment list.
Quote from: Locutus on November 12, 2012, 08:48:29 PM
Uh...there are 24 pizza eatin' smileys in your post. ;D
Awww! Whats a pizza store or two when we are talking about that much money that Payton paid. :wink: :biggrin:
Quote from: Exterminator on November 12, 2012, 07:44:46 PM
You're as clueless about why this is important as you have proven yourself to be on virtually every other issue. You should just STFU and enjoy your life in your little white trash enclave. I'm sure there are lots of websites where you can find delusional people like yourself to agree with your outdated views. Go find them and revel in people telling you you're right. In the meanwhile, those of us that actually work and have some understanding about how things work will be growing grapes in England. You are what is wrong with our country and our recent election proves that the majority of the population don't agree with your bullshit.
Do you know that when "ME" saves money by shopping in these stores that cheat their employees, she was able to buy a big new house. :haha: :haha: Me thinks that "ME" worries too much about all of these cheap ass places. :biggrin: :rant:
Quote from: The Troll on November 12, 2012, 09:00:05 PM
Awww! Whats a pizza store or two when we are talking about that much money that Payton paid. :wink: :biggrin:
Heard! :yes:
Quote from: me on November 12, 2012, 08:53:11 PM
Then quit shopping at all the other stores that do that and put them all out of business. Just because it's, in your mind, directed at Obama doesn't mean the others should slip through for doing the exact same thing. The employees will probably make more on unemployment anyway. I mean the suppliers may survive too but you sure could put a lot more people on the unemployment list.
It's not in anyone's "mind", they
said it!
The mall is all but dead right now because the folks living in this county cannot afford to shop there. . . And why is that?
You tried looking for work in Madison County lately? The only jobs available are contingency staffing and restaurant work. With minimum wages, (or barely over minimum wages), being paid and NO healthcare, how long do you think it will be before the hospitals in this county go belly up and close their doors?
How long before those of us commuting to the adjacent counties to find work that actually does provide healthcare, decide to move to those adjacent counties?
How long before the city goes belly up after everybody moves? (We're almost there now because a large percentage of the people living in this county work for the city. . .)
Quote from: Palehorse on November 13, 2012, 12:21:09 AM
It's not in anyone's "mind", they said it!
The mall is all but dead right now because the folks living in this county cannot afford to shop there. . . And why is that?
You tried looking for work in Madison County lately? The only jobs available are contingency staffing and restaurant work. With minimum wages, (or barely over minimum wages), being paid and NO healthcare, how long do you think it will be before the hospitals in this county go belly up and close their doors?
How long before those of us commuting to the adjacent counties to find work that actually does provide healthcare, decide to move to those adjacent counties?
How long before the city goes belly up after everybody moves? (We're almost there now because a large percentage of the people living in this county work for the city. . .)
So go ahead and quit patronizing the ones you're talking about and hasten their demise so the people who work there can go on unemployment. While you're at it quit going to Kroger and Marsh too. And then there's Meier too. Come to think of it Taco Bell, Wendy's, and McDonalds should be added to the list while your at it and then there's Arby's. Hell just quit patronizing them all since all are guilty and some have been doing it for years.
Quote from: me on November 13, 2012, 02:33:25 AM
So go ahead and quit patronizing the ones you're talking about and hasten their demise so the people who work there can go on unemployment.
I must again point out how little you understand about how virtually anything works. If Papa Johns (whose pizza sucks, btw) were to go out of business, people won't stop eating pizza. They will simply buy their pizza from another chain, increasing the market share for those stores and their need to hire additional employees to meet thie increased demand. See how that works?
Or maybe. . . . . . .just maaayybeeee. . . . . . . OH MY JEEBUS!!!!!. . . . .some local person, seeing a need, will fill the gap by opening. . . a SMALL BUSINESS!!!
Isn't that how the economic thingy works?
Quote from: Exterminator on November 13, 2012, 07:38:58 AM
I must again point out how little you understand about how virtually anything works. If Papa Johns (whose pizza sucks, btw) were to go out of business, people won't stop eating pizza. They will simply buy their pizza from another chain, increasing the market share for those stores and their need to hire additional employees to meet thie increased demand. See how that works?
Another pizza business who is doing the same thing. See how that works? Yes Papa John's sucks but that's beside the point.
Quote from: followsthewolf on November 13, 2012, 07:49:06 AM
Or maybe. . . . . . .just maaayybeeee. . . . . . . OH MY JEEBUS!!!!!. . . . .some local person, seeing a need, will fill the gap by opening. . . a SMALL BUSINESS!!!
Isn't that how the economic thingy works?
Most of those places are franchises owned by small business people who pay a healthy chunk of money for the franchise I might add. This store in Anderson for instance may be a franchise store owned by someone local rather than a company store. Don't know about now but a couple of the McDonald's here were owned by someone in Muncie at one time.
Quote from: me on November 13, 2012, 08:18:57 AM
Another pizza business who is doing the same thing.
Really? Which of the other pizza places is making similar statements about Obamacare and whatnot?
Quote from: me on November 13, 2012, 08:26:47 AM
Most of those places are franchises owned by small business people who pay a healthy chunk of money for the franchise I might add. This store in Anderson for instance may be a franchise store owned by someone local rather than a company store. Don't know about now but a couple of the McDonald's here were owned by someone in Muncie at one time.
Sorry but I don't really consider franchise owners business people so much as investors. It doesn't really take a lot of business acumen to follow someone else's plan that details everything from how your store looks to how to schedule employees to where to buy your supplies. People like those who started something like Bazbeaux on the other hand, them I consider business people.
Quote from: me on November 13, 2012, 02:33:25 AM
So go ahead and quit patronizing the ones you're talking about and hasten their demise so the people who work there can go on unemployment. While you're at it quit going to Kroger and Marsh too. And then there's Meier too. Come to think of it Taco Bell, Wendy's, and McDonalds should be added to the list while your at it and then there's Arby's. Hell just quit patronizing them all since all are guilty and some have been doing it for years.
You forgot one Big Headed Girl. The worse of them all, Walmart. just buy your pizza :pizza: at ART's and the money stays in Anderson. :yes: :thumbsup:
Quote from: Exterminator on November 13, 2012, 08:56:37 AM
Sorry but I don't really consider franchise owners business people so much as investors. It doesn't really take a lot of business acumen to follow someone else's plan that details everything from how your store looks to how to schedule employees to where to buy your supplies. People like those who started something like Bazbeaux on the other hand, them I consider business people.
What he said.
Quote from: Exterminator on November 13, 2012, 08:56:37 AM
Sorry but I don't really consider franchise owners business people so much as investors. It doesn't really take a lot of business acumen to follow someone else's plan that details everything from how your store looks to how to schedule employees to where to buy your supplies. People like those who started something like Bazbeaux on the other hand, them I consider business people.
I have a friend who is making a living by owning two sub-ways....he works in both of them, very hard.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 13, 2012, 01:08:58 PM
I have a friend who is making a living by owning two sub-ways....he works in both of them, very hard.
Still doesn't make him a businessman, per se.
Quote from: Exterminator on November 13, 2012, 01:15:49 PM
Still doesn't make him a businessman, per se.
what difference does it really make. He is making decisions on how to best run his business....he hires, he fires, he buys.....he runs two business'....I would call him a businessman.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 13, 2012, 01:21:07 PM
what difference does it really make. He is making decisions on how to best run his business....he hires, he fires, he buys.....he runs two business'....I would call him a businessman.
But, who really is in control of the business? Why it's Subway. They control the quality, they control the amount of material, he has to buy all of the materials napkins, straws and ect from them, they control the amount of fees he has to pay to them, they control the way the business looks and sends in inspectors to check the books and if the business is ran to their standards. :yes: :biggrin:
Your friend is a glorified manager with his money on the line. :yes: If he doesn't toe the corporate line he's out of business and the money he paid for the franchise is gone. :yes: :eek4: :eek4:
If you don't believe me just check back to Elmo Flatt when the Colonel Sanders found out that Elmo wasn't using his Kentucky Fried flour to bread the chicken. :eek4: He lost the franchise. :eek:
Sure he works off his ass, because he's is not really the boss. :yes: It's that old story of the carrot and the stick that corporations put out to sucker people in. :haha: :haha: Henry your Republicans has got us into a corporate controlled world. :rant:
Quote from: The Troll on November 13, 2012, 01:43:40 PM
But, who really is in control of the business? Why it's Subway. They control the quality, they control the amount of material, he has to buy all of the materials napkins, straws and ect from them, they control the amount of fees he has to pay to them, they control the way the business looks and sends in inspectors to check the books and if the business is ran to their standards. :yes: :biggrin:
Your friend is a glorified manager with his money on the line. :yes: If he doesn't toe the corporate line he's out of business and the money he paid for the franchise is gone. :yes: :eek4: :eek4:
If you don't believe me just check back to Elmo Flatt when the Colonel Sanders found out that Elmo wasn't using his Kentucky Fried flour to bread the chicken. :eek4: He lost the franchise. :eek:
Sure he works off his ass, because he's is not really the boss. :yes: It's that old story of the carrot and the stick that corporations put out to sucker people in. :haha: :haha: Henry your Republicans has got us into a corporate controlled world. :rant:
You see Troll, the whole point is, that HE decided, on his own accord, to go into business by buying into a franchise. Sure, he could have started his own sub shop....made up his own rules and sandwiches. He chose to work for a company that will do his advertising, and have a game plan already set-up. Nobody put a gun to his head. He is playing by Subways rules....
the bottom line is......he IS a businessman. Now, and I am only being hypothetical here, if this man had 50 full-time employees, he would NOW have to supply insurance for them or pay a penalty to the IRS.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 13, 2012, 02:02:32 PM
You see Troll, the whole point is, that HE decided, on his own accord, to go into business by buying into a franchise. Sure, he could have started his own sub shop....made up his own rules and sandwiches. He chose to work for a company that will do his advertising, and have a game plan already set-up. Nobody put a gun to his head. He is playing by Subways rules....
the bottom line is......he IS a businessman. Now, and I am only being hypothetical here, if this man had 50 full-time employees, he would NOW have to supply insurance for them or pay a penalty to the IRS.
If everybody was made to raise their prices, like I am quite sure they will. Problem is solved. :yes: Just take your head out of your ass and step back and think. :yes: For when your head is up your ass you can't see the real light. :eyes:
And Henry knowing you, you really don't give a damn if your "friend" really makes it or not. :yes: That how real Repubs think. :rolleyes: :biggrin:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 13, 2012, 01:21:07 PM
what difference does it really make. He is making decisions on how to best run his business....he hires, he fires, he buys.....he runs two business'....I would call him a businessman.
Not that I had any doubts after the Romney debacle but your definition of businessman and mine differ completely.
Quote from: Exterminator on November 13, 2012, 02:12:04 PM
Not that I had any doubts after the Romney debacle but your definition of businessman and mine differ completely.
well, there are different degrees of businessmen....You got guys like Gates and Joe the Plumber. Bill probably couldn't run a plumming business as well as Joe.......and Joe probably couldn't run Microsoft. Both are businessmen.
Ya know those people invest a whole lot of money into those franchises and work terribly hard to keep them going. On the other hand there are people who purchase stocks and do nothing for their money except watch the stock market from their easy chair. Those people who purchase franchises have to know what they are doing to make the business work therefore you have to be a business person to make it successful even though it's a franchise. The franchise owners also set their own pay scale and hours and do not follow any company rules so if they choose to use full time employees and pay insurance that is up to them. The company just say's what suppliers you have to use and what food you are to serve. The company stores may go part time and not pay ins. but that doesn't apply to the franchise stores. And you say it is I who knows nothing about business?
Quote from: me on November 13, 2012, 03:13:03 PM
Those people who purchase franchises have to know what they are doing to make the business work therefore you have to be a business person to make it successful even though it's a franchise.
Not even close; it's all about location. If you have a location that promotes good traffic and you follow the plan you are given, you will make money. A monkey could do it.
QuoteAnd you say it is I who knows nothing about business?
Yes, and we're right! You don't have a clue.
Quote from: Exterminator on November 13, 2012, 03:20:51 PM
Not even close; it's all about location. If you have a location that promotes good traffic and you follow the plan you are given, you will make money. A monkey could do it.
Yes, and we're right! You don't have a clue.
Look dude it is a business and all you are furnished is the people you get your supplies from you still have to make it work. If you don't operate it right it doesn't matter if you are in a high traffic area with a high demand for your product or the north 40 it won't make it.
Quote from: me on November 13, 2012, 04:01:22 PM
Look dude it is a business...
To you, I'm sure it does seem like a real business. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 13, 2012, 02:21:49 PM
well, there are different degrees of businessmen....You got guys like Gates and Joe the Plumber. Bill probably couldn't run a plumbing business as well as Joe.......and Joe probably couldn't run Microsoft. Both are businessmen.
let's get something straight, Joe the Plumber wasn't a plumber. :rant: He was a flunky construction worker. He didn't have a licence to do either one. :rant: He's one of the nut jobs that the Tea Party drag out from under a rock to prove that they were for the workers. You know that for sure. :yes: Just some more bullshit from the Repubs. :yes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 13, 2012, 02:21:49 PM
well, there are different degrees of businessmen....You got guys like Gates and Joe the Plumber. Bill probably couldn't run a plumming business as well as Joe.......and Joe probably couldn't run Microsoft. Both are businessmen.
???!!!!
Joe the plumber?? He's not even a plumber, let alone a businessman!! Really?
I can't believe you posted that. :roll eyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on November 13, 2012, 04:09:45 PM
To you, I'm sure it does seem like a real business. :rolleyes:
I suppose you think those who purchase franchises just sit and reap the profits like those who buy stocks and don't have to do a damn thing. Boy would you be wrong. I think you'd better educate yourself on the real world Ex. I'm not talking about someone who is lucky enough to own 20 or more I'm talking about the person who just owns 1 or 2, the ones just starting out If you think they don't work you've hit your head. All the "company" does is inspect the franchise holder once or twice a year to make sure they are doing things the way they want them done nothing more. If things aren't up to snuff they jerk the franchise and sell it to someone else.
Quote from: Locutus on November 13, 2012, 06:28:13 PM
???!!!!
Joe the plumber?? He's not even a plumber, let alone a businessman!! Really?
I can't believe you posted that. :roll eyes:
I can.
Quote from: me on November 13, 2012, 07:32:46 PM
I can.
"I can" and you did and it shows how out of touch you are. Too put it mildly. :kiss: Red of head. :gorgeous:
Quote from: me on November 13, 2012, 07:32:46 PM
I can.
And your point is? Specifically addressing this part right here:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 13, 2012, 02:21:49 PM
well, there are different degrees of businessmen....You got guys like Gates and Joe the Plumber. Bill probably couldn't run a plumming business as well as Joe.......and Joe probably couldn't run Microsoft. Both are businessmen.
Quote from: Locutus on November 13, 2012, 07:48:46 PM
And your point is? Specifically addressing this part right here:
Oops, I'm worn out from ordering the movers around today and was looking at Troll's post instead of HH's quote. Damn this finger pointing wears a person out.
Quote from: Locutus on November 13, 2012, 06:28:13 PM
???!!!!
Joe the plumber?? He's not even a plumber, let alone a businessman!! Really?
I can't believe you posted that. :roll eyes:
that was figurativly speaking.......not the actual JOE the Plumber.....
Quote from: me on November 13, 2012, 08:16:38 PM
Oops, I'm worn out from ordering the movers around today and was looking at Troll's post instead of HH's quote. Damn this finger pointing wears a person out.
Oops. You're simply irrelevant.
Just when everyone thinks you can't get any derper, you manage to confound everyone by stooping lower into the ignorance pit.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 13, 2012, 09:42:31 PM
that was figurativly speaking.......not the actual JOE the Plumber.....
Clarification accepted. ;D
Quote from: followsthewolf on November 13, 2012, 09:47:03 PM
Oops. You're simply irrelevant.
Just when everyone thinks you can't get any derper, you manage to confound everyone by stooping lower into the ignorance pit.
I was directing that at Troll. Has to do with a stupid comment he made in another thread.
Quote from: me on November 13, 2012, 07:32:03 PM
I suppose you think those who purchase franchises just sit and reap the profits like those who buy stocks and don't have to do a damn thing. . . .
Yup. And I'll hoist Peyton Manning as an example of this. Do you really think he has time to "manage" the twenty-something Papa Johns stores he just paid for? :rolleyes:
I personally know a couple of old friends who "own" several metro-Chicagoland McD's franchises. Yes, they went to Hamburger U in Oakbrook, and learned the system fro the ground up. But then they hired managers and let them run the joints while they reap the benefits.
The difference between them and the "average" franchisee, is that they take advantage of the group healthcare plans offered by the corporation from which they purchased their franchises, and provide healthcare to ALL of their employees who meet the minimum number of hours as prescribed by the law. (And the percentage of Full Time employees remains at 90% in every one of their stores. I confirmed this with one of them just a couple of weeks ago).
Just look at the 250 million dollar lawsuit that was filed against PaPa Johns this week, for spamming via text messages to their customers without receiving permission from those customers. (Including actions undertaken by both corporate stores and franchises).
http://money.cnn.com/2012/11/13/technology/mobile/papa-johns/index.html?hpt=hp_t3 (http://money.cnn.com/2012/11/13/technology/mobile/papa-johns/index.html?hpt=hp_t3)
All of these franchises offer a group health plan for franchise owners and their employees. Franchise owners have the option of adopting/offering it or not. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on November 14, 2012, 12:22:19 AM
Yup. And I'll hoist Peyton Manning as an example of this. Do you really think he has time to "manage" the twenty-something Papa Johns stores he just paid for? :rolleyes:
I personally know a couple of old friends who "own" several metro-Chicagoland McD's franchises. Yes, they went to Hamburger U in Oakbrook, and learned the system fro the ground up. But then they hired managers and let them run the joints while they reap the benefits.
The difference between them and the "average" franchisee, is that they take advantage of the group healthcare plans offered by the corporation from which they purchased their franchises, and provide healthcare to ALL of their employees who meet the minimum number of hours as prescribed by the law. (And the percentage of Full Time employees remains at 90% in every one of their stores. I confirmed this with one of them just a couple of weeks ago).
Just look at the 250 million dollar lawsuit that was filed against PaPa Johns this week, for spamming via text messages to their customers without receiving permission from those customers. (Including actions undertaken by both corporate stores and franchises).
http://money.cnn.com/2012/11/13/technology/mobile/papa-johns/index.html?hpt=hp_t3 (http://money.cnn.com/2012/11/13/technology/mobile/papa-johns/index.html?hpt=hp_t3)
All of these franchises offer a group health plan for franchise owners and their employees. Franchise owners have the option of adopting/offering it or not. . .
Sure, after they make enough money from working their butts off on the initial purchase they can sit back and reap the profits, and deservedly so, of being able to expand their holdings and if you'll go back and look at my post I said as much. So what if Payton Manning sits back and reaps the profits of owning several stores? He invested in them by paying a lot of money he earned by working for it. Sure he was playing football but do you realize the hours he put in keeping fit, practicing, and risking his health and life to "play" football? He was thinking ahead to when he could no longer play and possibly not be able to go into another line of work due to injuries. I do not like Papa John's and do not patronize them but I would also not hurt the person who paid good bucks to buy into a franchise of a business whose corporate practices I didn't care for. Even if they're lucky enough to own enough to sit back and reap the profits they still have the headache of possibly loosing everything they invested if they hire the wrong managers or the economy sinks much like you have the headache of whether your investment in stocks or a 401k will belly up or grow into enough for you to retire comfortably on. You not only hurt the corporation by not patronizing a place of business for something you disagree with you hurt the smaller investors and employees of the business as well as their suppliers and those employees. To not patronize a place because you don't happen to like their product is one thing but to do it for revenge is quite another. You, figuratively speaking, also hurt the little guy with your pettiness.
Quote from: me on November 13, 2012, 07:32:03 PM
I suppose you think those who purchase franchises just sit and reap the profits like those who buy stocks and don't have to do a damn thing. Boy would you be wrong. I think you'd better educate yourself on the real world Ex. I'm not talking about someone who is lucky enough to own 20 or more I'm talking about the person who just owns 1 or 2, the ones just starting out If you think they don't work you've hit your head. All the "company" does is inspect the franchise holder once or twice a year to make sure they are doing things the way they want them done nothing more. If things aren't up to snuff they jerk the franchise and sell it to someone else.
Quote from: me on November 14, 2012, 06:11:15 AM
Sure, after they make enough money from working their butts off on the initial purchase...
You act like it's some huge amount of money. A Subway franchise, as an example, only requires $15K in cash to launch.
Quote from: me on November 14, 2012, 06:11:15 AM
. . . You not only hurt the corporation by not patronizing a place of business for something you disagree with you hurt the smaller investors and employees of the business as well as their suppliers and those employees. To not patronize a place because you don't happen to like their product is one thing but to do it for revenge is quite another. You, figuratively speaking, also hurt the little guy with your pettiness.
Who said anything about revenge, other than that which the CEO's/owners of these corporations are obviously undertaking with this announcement?
And one would expect that if the franchisee's were being hurt by these "movements" then they'd speak up. It is called pressure . . . :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on November 14, 2012, 10:36:47 AM
You act like it's some huge amount of money. A Subway franchise, as an example, only requires $15K in cash to launch.
Hell, I payed more for a operation than that. :grin2: It is amazing what comes out of the mouth of a person who can't even run their own business. :doh: :toothless:
Owning a franchise is like renting a million dollar condo. You get to take care of it, but you and I mean YOU don't own it, you're just renting it for the price of admission. :yes: You can lose it in a flash of an eye. :wink: :yes:
The reality is, once the economy recovers these low wage, abusive, "employers" will find themselves havint to hire illegal immigrants because no one else will work there anymore.
Quote from: Palehorse on November 15, 2012, 12:02:21 PM
The reality is, once the economy recovers these low wage, abusive, "employers" will find themselves havint to hire illegal immigrants because no one else will work there anymore.
If you want to see the chilling facts about owning a franchise these Republicans talk about here on the zone and how ill informed they are. Just Goggle in "myths about owning a franchise". It sound great and wonderful, a straight track to being a millionaire. :haha: It all boils down to, "You are still working for the man, the boss man." It all a fairytale :tink: :yes: :biggrin:
troll you are getting side tracked here.......it is not about "franchises" it is about small business, doing what it takes to stay profitable. You take away the profits, and they will say screw it...and take their money elsewhere...
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 15, 2012, 03:19:34 PM
troll you are getting side tracked here.......it is not about "franchises" it is about small business, doing what it takes to stay profitable. You take away the profits, and they will say screw it...and take their money elsewhere...
You're always preaching :preach: the values of small business. I agree that mom and pops, the small business man needs help. :yes: But the small business the Republican Party is talking about is Multimillion dollar business. Just like John McCain's wife. She is worth millions and takes in millions of dollars off the business her last husband and father left her. But she is considered a small business. The same way with John Kerry's wife with Heinz Ketchup inherited income. :yes:
But the really small business man doesn't make much money for himself and he pays as little as he can, with the least benefits to his employees. We all need them and we all want them, but you are trying to guild a Lilly with gold foil and calling it a solid gold rose. Not all "SMALL" business are small, they are large and very rich, PAL. :yes:
Quote from: The Troll on November 15, 2012, 04:05:26 PM
You're always preaching :preach: the values of small business. I agree that mom and pops, the small business man needs help. :yes: But the small business the Republican Party is talking about is Multimillion dollar business. Just like John McCain's wife. She is worth millions and takes in millions of dollars off the business her last husband and father left her. But she is considered a small business. The same way with John Kerry's wife with Heinz Ketchup inherited income. :yes:
But the really small business man doesn't make much money for himself and he pays as little as he can, with the least benefits to his employees. We all need them and we all want them, but you are trying to guild a Lilly with gold foil and calling it a solid gold rose. Not all "SMALL" business are small, they are large and very rich, PAL. :yes:
Why are you so jealous of people who were able to build up a business into a corporation and be able to make money? A lot of those started out as mom and pop businesses they didn't just start out as large corporations. Think man think.
Not ALL corporations are evil........as a mater of fact, I would say the most do WAY more good than any sort of bad. Sure, there are some that do not have the best interest of their employees....but to lump all corporations as evil, is a liberal mindset and wrong imo.
Quote from: me on November 16, 2012, 12:05:20 PM
Why are you so jealous of people who were able to build up a business into a corporation and be able to make money? A lot of those started out as mom and pop businesses they didn't just start out as large corporations. Think man think.
Oh you got your crystal ball back out. :kooks: Where do you get that I'm jealous of people who are able to build a business into a corporation. All I got to say is you're eating those POOP :poop: cycles again. Not so. Sweet Pea. :kiss:
Sam Walton when he started out he was for doing right by his customers. He sold good American products at a fair price. But when he died and the greedsters and the bean counters took over. Then you seen all of the cheapest products from the cheapest wage slave countries, like China, Mexico and thing they could buy at the cheapest price to palm off on their poorest of the poor customers. :yes: :rant:
Take Henry Ford, when he started out he was good to his employees and sold a good car for a good price. He put America on the road. But, when he became rich he became a dictator a mean and cruel taskmaster. You need to talk to some old time Ford workers and let they tell you about Henry and his evil henchman Harry Bennett. Yep Henry was the salt of the earth. :rolleyes: :razz:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 16, 2012, 12:23:32 PM
Not ALL corporations are evil........as a mater of fact, I would say the most do WAY more good than any sort of bad. Sure, there are some that do not have the best interest of their employees....but to lump all corporations as evil, is a liberal mindset and wrong imo.
Be careful of that ". . .WAY more good than any sort of bad. . . ." stuff, Hank.
Lots of that "good" is done for gain, not for altruism.
Charity donations -- tax write-offs.
Foundations for the public good -- tax write-offs.
Et cetera.
Quote from: followsthewolf on November 16, 2012, 01:51:34 PM
Be careful of that ". . .WAY more good than any sort of bad. . . ." stuff, Hank.
Lots of that "good" is done for gain, not for altruism.
Charity donations -- tax write-offs.
Foundations for the public good -- tax write-offs.
Et cetera.
Good still came away.....despite if their heart was in the right place or not.
Goes to the point, though.
Not done for the good of others; done for the good of the greedy.
"IT IS NEVER ENOUGH!" shouted one of the robber barons. (I think it was Andrew Carnegie.)
Quote from: followsthewolf on November 16, 2012, 02:13:46 PM
Goes to the point, though.
Not done for the good of others; done for the good of the greedy.
"IT IS NEVER ENOUGH!" shouted one of the robber barons. (I think it was Andrew Carnegie.)
There was a saying years ago that I have remember as one of the truest sayings I ever heard. "NOBODY DOES NOTHING FOR NOTHING!" Every act of goodness is done for a reason. Every act of evil is done for a reason and an act of goodness by a rich man is about the money. Just think about that old saying. :smile: