Applebee's, Papa John’s & Darden Restaurants threaten staff cuts

[The Troll]

well, there are different degrees of businessmen....You got guys like Gates and Joe the Plumber.  Bill probably couldn't run a plumbing business as well as Joe.......and Joe probably couldn't run Microsoft.  Both are businessmen.

  let's get something straight, Joe the Plumber wasn't a plumber.     He was a flunky construction worker.  He didn't have a licence to do either one.     He's one of the nut jobs that the Tea Party drag out from under a rock to prove that they were for the workers.  You know that for sure.     Just some more bullshit from the Repubs.   

[Locutus]

well, there are different degrees of businessmen....You got guys like Gates and Joe the Plumber.  Bill probably couldn't run a plumming business as well as Joe.......and Joe probably couldn't run Microsoft.  Both are businessmen.

???!!!!

Joe the plumber??  He's not even a plumber, let alone a businessman!!  Really?

I can't believe you posted that. 

[me]

To you, I'm sure it does seem like a real business.   

I suppose you think those who purchase franchises just sit and reap the profits like those who buy stocks and don't have to do a damn thing.  Boy would you be wrong.  I think you'd better educate yourself on the real world Ex. I'm not talking about someone who is lucky enough to own 20 or more I'm talking about the person who just owns 1 or 2, the ones just starting out  If you think they don't work you've hit your head.  All the "company" does is inspect the franchise holder once or twice a year to make sure they are doing things the way they want them done nothing more.  If things aren't up to snuff they jerk the franchise and sell it to someone else. 

[me]

???!!!!

Joe the plumber??  He's not even a plumber, let alone a businessman!!  Really?

I can't believe you posted that. 

I can.

[The Troll]

I can.

  "I can" and you did and it shows how out of touch you are.  Too put it mildly.    Red of head.   

[Locutus]

I can.

And your point is?  Specifically addressing this part right here:

well, there are different degrees of businessmen....You got guys like Gates and Joe the Plumber.  Bill probably couldn't run a plumming business as well as Joe.......and Joe probably couldn't run Microsoft.  Both are businessmen.

[me]

And your point is?  Specifically addressing this part right here:

Oops, I'm worn out from ordering the movers around today and was looking at Troll's post instead of HH's quote. Damn this finger pointing wears a person out.

[Henry Hawk]

???!!!!

Joe the plumber??  He's not even a plumber, let alone a businessman!!  Really?

I can't believe you posted that. 

that was figurativly speaking.......not the actual JOE the Plumber.....

[followsthewolf]

Oops, I'm worn out from ordering the movers around today and was looking at Troll's post instead of HH's quote. Damn this finger pointing wears a person out.

Oops. You're simply irrelevant.

Just when everyone thinks you can't get any derper, you manage to confound everyone by stooping lower into the ignorance pit.

[Locutus]

that was figurativly speaking.......not the actual JOE the Plumber.....

Clarification accepted. 

[me]

Oops. You're simply irrelevant.

Just when everyone thinks you can't get any derper, you manage to confound everyone by stooping lower into the ignorance pit.

I was directing that at Troll.  Has to do with a stupid comment he made in another thread.

[Palehorse]

I suppose you think those who purchase franchises just sit and reap the profits like those who buy stocks and don't have to do a damn thing.  . . .

Yup. And I'll hoist Peyton Manning as an example of this. Do you really think he has time to "manage" the twenty-something Papa Johns stores he just paid for? 

I personally know a couple of old friends who "own" several metro-Chicagoland McD's franchises. Yes, they went to Hamburger U in Oakbrook, and learned the system fro the ground up. But then they hired managers and let them run the joints while they reap the benefits.

The difference between them and the "average" franchisee, is that they take advantage of the group healthcare plans offered by the corporation from which they purchased their franchises, and provide healthcare to ALL of their employees who meet the minimum number of hours as prescribed by the law. (And the percentage of Full Time employees remains at 90% in every one of their stores. I confirmed this with one of them just a couple of weeks ago).

Just look at the 250 million dollar lawsuit that was filed against PaPa Johns this week, for spamming via text messages to their customers without receiving permission from those customers. (Including actions undertaken by both corporate stores and franchises).

http://money.cnn.com/2012/11/13/technology/mobile/papa-johns/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

All of these franchises offer a group health plan for franchise owners and their employees. Franchise owners have the option of adopting/offering it or not. . .

[me]

Yup. And I'll hoist Peyton Manning as an example of this. Do you really think he has time to "manage" the twenty-something Papa Johns stores he just paid for? 

I personally know a couple of old friends who "own" several metro-Chicagoland McD's franchises. Yes, they went to Hamburger U in Oakbrook, and learned the system fro the ground up. But then they hired managers and let them run the joints while they reap the benefits.

The difference between them and the "average" franchisee, is that they take advantage of the group healthcare plans offered by the corporation from which they purchased their franchises, and provide healthcare to ALL of their employees who meet the minimum number of hours as prescribed by the law. (And the percentage of Full Time employees remains at 90% in every one of their stores. I confirmed this with one of them just a couple of weeks ago).

Just look at the 250 million dollar lawsuit that was filed against PaPa Johns this week, for spamming via text messages to their customers without receiving permission from those customers. (Including actions undertaken by both corporate stores and franchises).

http://money.cnn.com/2012/11/13/technology/mobile/papa-johns/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

All of these franchises offer a group health plan for franchise owners and their employees. Franchise owners have the option of adopting/offering it or not. . .

Sure, after they make enough money from working their butts off on the initial purchase they can sit back and reap the profits, and deservedly so,  of being able to expand their holdings and if you'll go back and look at my post I said as much.  So what if Payton Manning sits back and reaps the profits of owning several stores?  He invested in them by paying a lot of money he earned by working for it.  Sure he was playing football but do you realize the hours he put in keeping fit, practicing, and risking his health and life to "play" football?  He was thinking ahead to when he could no longer play and possibly not be able to go into another line of work due to injuries.  I do not like Papa John's and do not patronize them but I would also not hurt the person who paid good bucks to buy into a franchise of a business whose corporate practices I didn't care for.   Even if they're lucky enough to own enough to sit back and reap the profits they still have the headache of possibly loosing everything they invested if they hire the wrong managers or the economy sinks much like you have the headache of whether your investment in stocks or a 401k will belly up or grow into enough for you to retire comfortably on.  You not only hurt the corporation by not patronizing a place of business for something you disagree with you hurt the smaller investors and employees of the business as well as their suppliers and those employees.  To not patronize a place because you don't happen to like their product is one thing but to do it for revenge is quite another.  You, figuratively speaking, also hurt the little guy with your pettiness.   

I suppose you think those who purchase franchises just sit and reap the profits like those who buy stocks and don't have to do a damn thing.  Boy would you be wrong.  I think you'd better educate yourself on the real world Ex. I'm not talking about someone who is lucky enough to own 20 or more I'm talking about the person who just owns 1 or 2, the ones just starting out  If you think they don't work you've hit your head.  All the "company" does is inspect the franchise holder once or twice a year to make sure they are doing things the way they want them done nothing more.  If things aren't up to snuff they jerk the franchise and sell it to someone else. 

[Exterminator]

Sure, after they make enough money from working their butts off on the initial purchase...

You act like it's some huge amount of money.  A Subway franchise, as an example, only requires $15K in cash to launch.

[Palehorse]

. . . You not only hurt the corporation by not patronizing a place of business for something you disagree with you hurt the smaller investors and employees of the business as well as their suppliers and those employees.  To not patronize a place because you don't happen to like their product is one thing but to do it for revenge is quite another.  You, figuratively speaking, also hurt the little guy with your pettiness.

Who said anything about revenge, other than that which the CEO's/owners of these corporations are obviously undertaking with this announcement?

And one would expect that if the franchisee's were being hurt by these "movements" then they'd speak up. It is called pressure . . .