Okay, it's not Madison County.
But News is saying a HUGE explosion occurred near Sherman and Stop 11. 3- 4 homes destroyed and several others damaged. Evacuations under way. Unknown what caused it at this time. . . The explosion is on the south side of Indpls and it was felt / heard all the way to Hancock county. . .
Possible gas explosion. . . (But I am thinking meth lab).
http://www.wthr.com/category/251025/indianapolis-explosion-slide-show (http://www.wthr.com/category/251025/indianapolis-explosion-slide-show)
2 dead so far. . . check out the scene slide show. At least 2 homes completely destroyed. :spooked:
Dozen or more with structural damage that may mean they have to be torn down! :eek:
Update: 27 homes are uninhabitable. Eight sustained heavy damage.
Quote from: Palehorse on November 11, 2012, 12:05:30 AM
Possible gas explosion. . . (But I am thinking meth lab).
That made the national news, and I have to admin that a meth lab was the first thought that crossed my mind as well.
Quote from: Locutus on November 11, 2012, 12:15:06 PM
That made the national news, and I have to admin that a meth lab was the first thought that crossed my mind as well.
My thinking it was cause by a large natural gas leak and a large accumulation of gas. :yes: That is unless someone was making Meth on a large commercial scale. :yes:
I think it's the result of Henry's head popping off because Obama won the election. He was holding out hope for Florida. :biggrin:
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on November 11, 2012, 02:02:55 PM
I think it's the result of Henry's head popping off because Obama won the election. He was holding out hope for Florida. :biggrin:
:food24: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :devilish:
Quote from: Palehorse on November 11, 2012, 02:31:50 PM
:food24: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :devilish:
Yes Sandy :treehug:, Henry sure has been full of gas the last few months and he just couldn't hold it any longer. Boooooom! :groan: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :grin2:
Quote from: The Troll on November 11, 2012, 04:17:57 PM
Yes Sandy :treehug:, Henry sure has been full of gas the last few months and he just couldn't hold it any longer. Boooooom! :groan: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :grin2:
Lots of gas and lots of predictions that didn't come true. ;D
My money is still on it being a republican meth lab! :yes:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/11/us/indiana-houses-explode/index.html?hpt=hp_t3 (http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/11/us/indiana-houses-explode/index.html?hpt=hp_t3)
Still no word as to the cause I see.
Quote from: Locutus on November 11, 2012, 11:18:58 PM
Still no word as to the cause I see.
Supposedly the DHS and ATF have ruled out a meth lab or a bomb. . . :spooked:
Quote from: Palehorse on November 12, 2012, 11:39:35 AM
Supposedly the DHS and ATF have ruled out a meth lab or a bomb. . . :spooked:
And now the NTSB is on site? ? ?
Quote from: Palehorse on November 12, 2012, 12:23:02 PM
And now the NTSB is on site? ? ?
I thought they ruled out a plane crash yesterday.
Quote from: Locutus on November 12, 2012, 12:30:18 PM
I thought they ruled out a plane crash yesterday.
They did. I do not understand why the NTSB is on site. . . (EDIT: They are saying that the NTSB has authority over the transport of gas, including the gas line mains only. Once they eliminate the gas main as a contributor or cause they are out of there.)
The "owner" of the house that exploded (presumed vacant but his daughter and her child were living there and out of town) said his daughter had texted him stating there was a problem with the furnace.
The gas company says there was no leak on the main line nor service line to the home. . .
"Carson said the National Transportation Safety Board and the federal Department of Transportation, which have oversight over pipelines, were sending investigators."
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/12/15110656-massive-indianapolis-explosion-baffles-investigators?lite
^^ That's interesting. I had no idea that pipeline oversight was within the purview of the DOT and NTSB.
Quote from: Locutus on November 12, 2012, 12:35:42 PM
"Carson said the National Transportation Safety Board and the federal Department of Transportation, which have oversight over pipelines, were sending investigators."
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/12/15110656-massive-indianapolis-explosion-baffles-investigators?lite
^^ That's interesting. I had no idea that pipeline oversight was within the purview of the DOT and NTSB.
Yeah, me neither. . .
Davis Homes, the builder of the involved sub-division and homes in it, went out of business in 2008. That will make replacing the destroyed homes a challenge. . .
If the cause was of the explosion a malfunctioning furnace why would Davis Homes be responsible? Years ago a furnace exploaded and killed a little boy in a house down the street from us.
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on November 11, 2012, 02:02:55 PM
I think it's the result of Henry's head popping off because Obama won the election. He was holding out hope for Florida. :biggrin:
It has not yet expoloded....it is on the verge though.....It may hold of until he gets sworn in Jan...THEN watch out!
Quote from: Anne on November 12, 2012, 02:04:05 PM
If the cause was of the explosion a malfunctioning furnace why would Davis Homes be responsible? Years ago a furnace exploaded and killed a little boy in a house down the street from us.
1. Faulty installation perhaps.
But that was not the meaning of my post. I meant that since Davis homes owns the design and copyright of the homes in said subdivision, and they are now defunct, they cannot rebuild what has been lost.
These people will now be forced to use an "independent" builder that will not have access to the plans, (unless the owners of these destroyed homes happen to have the owner's prints, which is probably unlikely seeing how a lot of them were blown to pieces), and even those will not have the structural blueprints necessary to duplicate what they once had.
The HOA will have a hissy fit if they build anything else, or try to. :rolleyes:
OK, I understand now. I would think that the HOA would be more than willing to work with the homeowners rather than leave the burned out and damaged homes just sitting there or a hole in the ground. Some insurance companies won't let the places be completely demolished until everything is settled.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 12, 2012, 03:36:48 PM
It has not yet expoloded....it is on the verge though.....It may hold of until he gets sworn in Jan...THEN watch out!
Can I come watch and sell tickets? :egypt: :dance2: :choo: :choo: :choo: :choo: :pop: :biggrin:
Quote from: Anne on November 13, 2012, 10:27:31 AM
OK, I understand now. I would think that the HOA would be more than willing to work with the homeowners rather than leave the burned out and damaged homes just sitting there or a hole in the ground. Some insurance companies won't let the places be completely demolished until everything is settled.
One would think that but if it is ASSOCIA then all bets are off. Those jackasses are notoriously nazi-esq and a real PITA to deal with. :rant:
If they are lucky they are self governing and if that is the case then the HOA will not be a problem. But none the less the builder issue is a huge problem for these people.
Quote from: Palehorse on November 13, 2012, 12:28:37 AM
1. Faulty installation perhaps.
But that was not the meaning of my post. I meant that since Davis homes owns the design and copyright of the homes in said subdivision, and they are now defunct, they cannot rebuild what has been lost.
These people will now be forced to use an "independent" builder that will not have access to the plans, (unless the owners of these destroyed homes happen to have the owner's prints, which is probably unlikely seeing how a lot of them were blown to pieces), and even those will not have the structural blueprints necessary to duplicate what they once had.
The HOA will have a hissy fit if they build anything else, or try to. :rolleyes:
Which is why I have multiple backups of all important papers and they are in several locations.
Paranoid?
Perhaps; but look at the amount of research that was lost in Frankenstorm. Years and years of critical medical and scientific study and experimentation, gone in no time.
Obviously, not all the experimentation could have been saved, but the notes and preliminary findings wouldn't have been lost.
Quote from: followsthewolf on November 13, 2012, 12:18:24 PM
Which is why I have multiple backups of all important papers and they are in several locations.
Paranoid?
Perhaps; but look at the amount of research that was lost in Frankenstorm. Years and years of critical medical and scientific study and experimentation, gone in no time.
Obviously, not all the experimentation could have been saved, but the notes and preliminary findings wouldn't have been lost.
Thanks for the validation my friend! I was starting to think I had OCD when it comes to important papers. :smile:
November 19, 2012 ( INDIANAPOLIS) (WLS) -- A dramatic and disturbing development in a deadly explosion that leveled an Indianapolis neighborhood: At first it was called a gas line accident, but investigators now say it was intentional.
The blast on November 10 destroyed more than 80 homes and killed two residents. Late Monday afternoon, authorities announced that the explosion was "criminal homicide" and not an accident as first thought.
Police are now looking for a possible getaway vehicle from the blast scene and there is a reward for information leading to suspects.
It is Indianapolis's Homeland Security chief who says that this was the result of a criminal act. Investigators would not take questions at its Monday briefing, so there are no details what authorities suspect motivated the bomber or bombers, nor how the blast occurred.
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local/indiana&id=8891666
:eek: :eek:
Jeeezus!! :spooked:
That's one hell of a way to kill!
Quote from: Locutus on November 19, 2012, 10:26:59 PM
Jeeezus!! :spooked:
That's one hell of a way to kill!
Indeed, and as I said early on, this sure didn't strike me as a "gas leak" that one typically sees resulting in a fire/explosion. In fact I'd venture to say some kind of accelerant was utilized (IE explosive/explosive device) in order to create such a large amount of damage.
As to suspects, I say the crying lady who lived there is at or near the top of the list. (Ground zero building). And so is her ex-husband.
For all we know the divorce put them both in financial straights and they could have concocted the scheme together. While the fact her and her daughter were conveniently away at the time of the incident maybe a coincidence, I am not so sure about that. And if it was indeed innocent, then it leads me to believe she and her daughter could very well have been targeted for death.
I knew DHS and BATF were not only there for shits n giggles. Maybe on day one, but not days later. . .
I just hope they catch whomever is responsible ! :spooked: :eek:
"My clients have instructed to issue the following comment and then ask that they be left alone," Cable wrote in an email sent to media members at midnight Tuesday.
"Monserrate Shirley and Mark Leonard watched in bewilderment the news report that the authorities are now treating the investigation as a criminal investigation as well as a causation search.@The two remain horrified at the tragic events, destruction, and loss of lives that occurred and have been cooperating with the authorities since their return to Indianapolis over the weekend," Cable's statement read. "They have cooperated fully with various investigators and agencies on multiple occasions and have answered each and every question including speculation as to whether they may have been targeted by anyone.@They wish for the causation of this horrific and saddening tragedy to be determined.
"The speculation of social media has centered on various aspects of their lives targeting them in the investigation.@Throughout the days since that night the two have been pursued by media constantly requesting interviews as to how they are doing, and how they feel.@Assumptions by everyone have had a field day at their expense.@They continue to cooperate with the authorities and will have no further comments."@
Marion County Prosecutor Terry Curry announced during a press conference with Mayor Greg Ballard and Indianapolis Department of Homeland Security Director Gary Coons that he was launching a criminal homicide investigation into the explosion.
"While the fire investigation has been progressing, there has been a parallel investigation, not solely focusing on the cause of the explosion but focusing on individuals who may have been responsible once accidental causes were eliminated. That investigation has consisted of numerous interviews with various individuals as well as execution of a number of search warrants and is being conducted jointly by the IMPD and the MCPO," Curry said. "Based upon those interviews and results of those search warrants, that investigation is now considered an active criminal homicide investigation."
http://www.wthr.com/story/20143173/owners-of-home-in-explosion-bewildered-by-investigation (http://www.wthr.com/story/20143173/owners-of-home-in-explosion-bewildered-by-investigation)
Whoever did that may face both federal and state charges. :yes:
Quote from: Locutus on November 20, 2012, 01:17:52 AM
Whoever did that may face both federal and state charges. :yes:
:yes:
Dang, if someone did this just to get out of some financial problems, they seriously miscalculated the amount of damage they caused, unless of course they intended to kill the people next door. People can be so stupid. Declare bankrupcy, at least no one is killed or goes to jail.
Quote from: Palehorse on November 20, 2012, 12:42:41 AM
Indeed, and as I said early on, this sure didn't strike me as a "gas leak" that one typically sees resulting in a fire/explosion. In fact I'd venture to say some kind of accelerant was utilized (IE explosive/explosive device) in order to create such a large amount of damage.
As to suspects, I say the crying lady who lived there is at or near the top of the list. (Ground zero building). And so is her ex-husband.
For all we know the divorce put them both in financial straights and they could have concocted the scheme together. While the fact her and her daughter were conveniently away at the time of the incident maybe a coincidence, I am not so sure about that. And if it was indeed innocent, then it leads me to believe she and her daughter could very well have been targeted for death.
I knew DHS and BATF were not only there for shits n giggles. Maybe on day one, but not days later. . .
I just hope they catch whomever is responsible ! :spooked: :eek:
If you let a house completely fill with gas to the point where the gas water heater or spark will set it off, you got yourself one big, big bomb. Remember when the gas leak under the grand stand at the Colosseum blew a whole section of bleachers clear out on the ice and killing many people at the Indiana State Fair grounds. :yes: Very, very bad. :shrug: :think:
Quote from: Palehorse on November 20, 2012, 12:42:41 AM
Indeed, and as I said early on, this sure didn't strike me as a "gas leak" that one typically sees resulting in a fire/explosion. In fact I'd venture to say some kind of accelerant was utilized (IE explosive/explosive device) in order to create such a large amount of damage.
As to suspects, I say the crying lady who lived there is at or near the top of the list. (Ground zero building). And so is her ex-husband.
For all we know the divorce put them both in financial straights and they could have concocted the scheme together. While the fact her and her daughter were conveniently away at the time of the incident maybe a coincidence, I am not so sure about that. And if it was indeed innocent, then it leads me to believe she and her daughter could very well have been targeted for death.
I knew DHS and BATF were not only there for shits n giggles. Maybe on day one, but not days later. . .
I just hope they catch whomever is responsible ! :spooked: :eek:
Quote from: The Troll on November 20, 2012, 05:36:27 PM
If you let a house completely fill with gas to the point where the gas water heater or spark will set it off, you got yourself one big, big bomb. Remember when the gas leak under the grand stand at the Colosseum blew a whole section of bleachers clear out on the ice and killing many people at the Indiana State Fair grounds. :yes: Very, very bad. :shrug: :think:
I can see it happening under the conditions of an intentional act, but not typically otherwise. It will take one HELL of an "accidental" leak to blow up a 3000 sf home. . .
I do not recall that happening at Pepsi Colosseum. Must have been before I moved to this state. . .
I wonder what the motive may have been. I haven't seen any news that even speculates as to why someone would do something like that. But then again, it has faded from the news coverage here in South Florida, so I may have missed something.
Quote from: Locutus on November 20, 2012, 11:54:06 PM
I wonder what the motive may have been. I haven't seen any news that even speculates as to why someone would do something like that. But then again, it has faded from the news coverage here in South Florida, so I may have missed something.
The authorities are keeping it to themselves and refusing to engage in speculation publicly. Someone at work got a newsflash fro one of the local TV stations, on their smart phone, that indicated an arrest warrant had been issued for two individuals, but I have been unable to confirm that via any local media source. . .
Don't worry though, once they arrest someone the news will go national again. . .
It's an absolutely intriguing story regardless of whether the news goes national again or not. I look forward to seeing it resolved.
Quote from: Locutus on November 21, 2012, 12:23:24 AM
It's an absolutely intriguing story regardless of whether the news goes national again or not. I look forward to seeing it resolved.
No doubt. (Jewish Lightening tops my list of motives).
Quote from: Locutus on November 20, 2012, 11:54:06 PM
I wonder what the motive may have been. I haven't seen any news that even speculates as to why someone would do something like that. But then again, it has faded from the news coverage here in South Florida, so I may have missed something.
Years ago there was a big new home burned down. The wife and I were at a party where the couple who owned the house. We knew them as they went to the same small school. At the party this couple got in to one big argument a bout how broke they they were, no money and how they were going to pay the bills. This couple even left the party early.
About a month or two later we read that their new house burned down while they were vacationing in Florida and at the time we wondered how they could afford to go of vacation while being broke. Later that year the couple were arrested for arson. How did they catch them? One of the two guys they hired to burn down their house sold their big television and the cops found out and the arsonist turned Stool Pigeon and told the whole story.
But, what is the real kicker, two or three years later this man to had his own house down, he and his brother won a multimillion dollar Illinois lottery. :yes: You ought to see the big house he built with that money. WOW!
The people Indianapolis who was paid or did this didn't know that when you fill a whole house full gas you got a big bomb probably equal to a case of dynamite. BOOOOM!
Officially, 33 of the homes will have to be torn down because of this explosion! :spooked:
Quote from: Palehorse on November 20, 2012, 11:52:41 PM
I can see it happening under the conditions of an intentional act, but not typically otherwise. It will take one HELL of an "accidental" leak to blow up a 3000 sf home. . .
I do not recall that happening at Pepsi Colosseum. Must have been before I moved to this state. . .
It was Halloween night in 1962 or '63. A propane tank or some type of gas tank blew in one of the concession stands under the seats. Several people were killed and many were injured. When my son was born (in 1968) the other woman in the room with me had been there that night and her husband was one of the ones killed. I don't remember what the attraction was that night.
Opening night of the Holiday on Ice show, 1963, and explosion caused by a leaking propane tank used to heat pop corn blew up under the grand stand. The explosion blew the stand and it's people 60 feet into the air and out on the ice killing 74 people and injuring 400. The second blast that took placed just a few minutes later severely burned people who survived.
You can find the story on Goggle. I doesn't take much gas natural or propane in a confined area to do a lot of damage.
15 days have passed and no arrests made on this one yet.
Guess they are awaiting the forensic analysis of the evidence to be completed. . .
They have arrested the homeowner, boyfriend, and boyfriend's brother, and charged them with
• Felony Murder (two counts)
• Conspiracy to Commit Arson, Class A Felony (one count)
• Arson, Class A Felony (12 counts)
• Arson, Class B Felony (33 counts)
surrounding the explosion. (The owner of the home that actually exploded).
It is alleged that early on the morning of the explosion, the boyfriend, his brother, removed a gas valve from the fireplace and set the time on the microwave to go off 9 hours later.
http://www.wthr.com/story/20402423/three-to-be-charged-in-indianapolis-explosion (http://www.wthr.com/story/20402423/three-to-be-charged-in-indianapolis-explosion)
Quote from: Palehorse on November 20, 2012, 12:42:41 AM
Indeed, and as I said early on, this sure didn't strike me as a "gas leak" that one typically sees resulting in a fire/explosion. In fact I'd venture to say some kind of accelerant was utilized (IE explosive/explosive device) in order to create such a large amount of damage.
As to suspects, I say the crying lady who lived there is at or near the top of the list. (Ground zero building). And so is her ex-husband.
For all we know the divorce put them both in financial straights and they could have concocted the scheme together. While the fact her and her daughter were conveniently away at the time of the incident maybe a coincidence, I am not so sure about that. And if it was indeed innocent, then it leads me to believe she and her daughter could very well have been targeted for death.
I knew DHS and BATF were not only there for shits n giggles. Maybe on day one, but not days later. . .
I just hope they catch whomever is responsible ! :spooked: :eek:
My theory wasn't too far off:
Quote from: Palehorse on December 21, 2012, 12:43:22 PM
They have arrested the homeowner, boyfriend, and boyfriend's brother, and charged them with
• Felony Murder (two counts)
• Conspiracy to Commit Arson, Class A Felony (one count)
• Arson, Class A Felony (12 counts)
• Arson, Class B Felony (33 counts)
surrounding the explosion. (The owner of the home that actually exploded).
It is alleged that early on the morning of the explosion, the boyfriend, his brother, removed a gas valve from the fireplace and set the time on the microwave to go off 9 hours later.
http://www.wthr.com/story/20402423/three-to-be-charged-in-indianapolis-explosion (http://www.wthr.com/story/20402423/three-to-be-charged-in-indianapolis-explosion)
Wow! Some gas and a microwave can sure do some damage.