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Who the hell is Jill Stein? (don't bother answering that. I googled her) The quiz says I would vote for her.
Just for shits and giggles I did it:
93% Republican 72% Libertarian 24% Green 20% Democratic
Quote from: Olias on August 21, 2012, 12:47:13 PM
Who the hell is Jill Stein? (don't bother answering that. I googled her) The quiz says I would vote for her.
Me, too, 92%...Obama was a close second at 90%. Along party lines I came out as 6%
douchebag Republican.
93% Green
92% Democratic
58% Libertarian
25% Republican
I guess I should be voting for Stein too. ;D
I don't think I could vote for a third party candidate regardless of how much I may agree with them. I may be wrong, but I feel like it would be a wasted vote.
71% Democratic
59% Republican
55% Green
21% Libertarian
Not surprised, as I see good points in all of them, but not enough in any single one to sway me. :confused:
Quote from: Olias on August 21, 2012, 01:52:23 PM
I don't think I could vote for a third party candidate regardless of how much I may agree with them. I may be wrong, but I feel like it would be a wasted vote.
Same here. But as long as a majority of us still feel that way, we'll never do any better than we're doing. Nothing ever changes if nothing ever changes. (Sorry for the cliche.)
But like I said, I have no room to talk because I feel the exact same way you do.
Quote from: Locutus on August 21, 2012, 02:12:14 PM
Same here. But as long as a majority of us still feel that way, we'll never do any better than we're doing. Nothing ever changes if nothing ever changes. (Sorry for the cliche.)
But like I said, I have no room to talk because I feel the exact same way you do.
Yep, but I did that with Perot...twice.
Quote from: Exterminator on August 21, 2012, 02:20:11 PM
Yep, but I did that with Perot...twice.
I came close with Perot, but never quite could bring myself to pull the lever.
Quote from: Locutus on August 21, 2012, 02:52:37 PM
I came close with Perot, but never quite could bring myself to pull the lever.
And yet, he so had it right! He told us exactly what was going to happen.
Quote from: Exterminator on August 21, 2012, 02:57:58 PM
And yet, he so had it right! He told us exactly what was going to happen.
Yep! He said to listen for "that giant sucking sound" if I recall correctly. And a giant sucking sound is exactly what we heard.
Quote from: Olias on August 21, 2012, 01:52:23 PM
I don't think I could vote for a third party candidate regardless of how much I may agree with them. I may be wrong, but I feel like it would be a wasted vote.
:2cents: is that when any Democrat votes for any other party, you're electing a Republican. :yes: After voting once for Ronald Reagan and seen what he done to this country and the middle class, NEVER AGAIN WILL I VOTE FOR ANY OTHER PARTY. :trustme: :salute:
After McCain and Palin look who the Republican Party is asking the American people to vote for. A tax cheat millionaire and a religious Zeloat, Dumb and Dumber. :haha:
95% Republican
68% Libertarian
28% Democratic
13% Green
50%
Indiana Voters
on domestic policy, immigration, science, and environmental issues.
51%
American Voters
on domestic policy, science, and environmental issues.
Quote from: me on August 21, 2012, 06:29:39 PM
95% Republican
68% Libertarian
28% Democratic
13% Green
50%
Indiana Voters
on domestic policy, immigration, science, and environmental issues.
51%
American Voters
on domestic policy, science, and environmental issues.
And you vote 100% Tea/Republican. Let us see how you have voted. Twice for George W. Bush and once for John McCain and Sarah Palin and who are you going to vote for now. Pence, Murdoch, Romney/Ryan. What a wonder record for voting for trash. "ME" :no1: :haha: :haha: Carrot Top. :kiss:
Quote from: The Troll on August 21, 2012, 08:28:40 PM
And you vote 100% Tea/Republican. Let us see how you have voted. Twice for George W. Bush and once for John McCain and Sarah Palin and who are you going to vote for now. Pence, Murdoch, Romney/Ryan. What a wonder record for voting for trash. "ME" :no1: :haha: :haha: Carrot Top. :kiss:
Notice where I fall with the Indiana and all American voters who took the test though......Nuf said? Make ya do a little thinkin' does it? Na, that would be too much to hope for.
I side with Barack Obama on most issues in the 2012 Presidential Election.
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Quote from: Exterminator on August 21, 2012, 12:39:43 PM
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A most excellent call there Ex! 8) TYVM! :yes:
Quote from: Exterminator on August 21, 2012, 02:20:11 PM
Yep, but I did that with Perot...twice.
I voted for Perot too.
Quote from: Palehorse on August 21, 2012, 08:56:52 PM
I voted for Perot too.
I liked him......he was a little on the goofy side, had a great sense of humor and was hard to disagree with his logic on issues.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 21, 2012, 09:07:19 PM
I liked him......he was a little on the goofy side, had a great sense of humor and was hard to disagree with his logic on issues.
:yes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 21, 2012, 09:07:19 PM
I liked him......he was a little on the goofy side, had a great sense of humor and was hard to disagree with his logic on issues.
And he was right about the giant sucking sound. ;D
Quote from: Locutus on August 21, 2012, 09:31:20 PM
And he was right about the giant sucking sound. ;D
And I have had occasion over the past 5 years to be haunted by that fact. I hear that statement, which I heard/viewed on live television, each and every time I read statistics surrounding job losses, unemployment, etc. The sound of his voice making that statement echoes through my mind as it has countless times since he first said it.
The singular fact that I voted for him, despite my fear he was right and that we needed to take the hit up front, and do the right things, gives me some measure of solace all these years later. But it is a panacea at best, when I reflect on the fact that not only was he right, but we are living the reality of his warning this very day.
Quote from: Palehorse on August 21, 2012, 09:49:32 PM
And I have had occasion over the past 5 years to be haunted by that fact. I hear that statement, which I heard/viewed on live television, each and every time I read statistics surrounding job losses, unemployment, etc. The sound of his voice making that statement echoes through my mind as it has countless times since he first said it.
The singular fact that I voted for him, despite my fear he was right and that we needed to take the hit up front, and do the right things, gives me some measure of solace all these years later. But it is a panacea at best, when I reflect on the fact that not only was he right, but we are living the reality of his warning this very day.
Whats even more scary is the fact that we all agree about him. :spooked:
Quote from: me on August 21, 2012, 10:57:44 PM
Whats even more scary is the fact that we all agree about him. :spooked:
Troll hasn't weighed in yet. ;D
Quote from: me on August 21, 2012, 10:57:44 PM
Whats even more scary is the fact that we all agree about him.
Hindsight is 20/20. The reason I liked Perot was because he looked at everything the same way those of us in IT do, as projects that can be broken out into logical units of work. Unlike someone like Romney, who was born privileged and made his money by destroying companies, Perot was a real businessman who built not one but two very successful companies from the ground up...companies that still employ nearly 160,000 people today. He knew how to make things work and how to create jobs and he would have turned our federal government into an efficient business.
Quote from: Exterminator on August 22, 2012, 11:42:32 AM
Hindsight is 20/20. The reason I liked Perot was because he looked at everything the same way those of us in IT do, as projects that can be broken out into logical units of work. Unlike someone like Romney, who was born privileged and made his money by destroying companies, Perot was a real businessman who built not one but two very successful companies from the ground up...companies that still employ nearly 160,000 people today. He knew how to make things work and how to create jobs and he would have turned our federal government into an efficient business.
He would have had to get the cooperation of congress first for most of it though and that may have been a huge stumbling block for some of his ideas. I think the way he presented himself he, in all probability, would have worked around all that happy crap. The main thing I liked about him, and I hope I'm remembering this correctly, is that he answered questions without all the BS and double talk of a politician and didn't mince words.
Quote from: me on August 22, 2012, 11:59:18 AM
The main thing I liked about him, and I hope I'm remembering this correctly, is that he answered questions without all the BS and double talk of a politician and didn't mince words.
Yes, you are remembering correctly.
Quote from: Palehorse on August 21, 2012, 09:49:32 PM
And I have had occasion over the past 5 years to be haunted by that fact. I hear that statement, which I heard/viewed on live television, each and every time I read statistics surrounding job losses, unemployment, etc. The sound of his voice making that statement echoes through my mind as it has countless times since he first said it.
The singular fact that I voted for him, despite my fear he was right and that we needed to take the hit up front, and do the right things, gives me some measure of solace all these years later. But it is a panacea at best, when I reflect on the fact that not only was he right, but we are living the reality of his warning this very day.
Yes, I heard Perot say that statement on television. I was so sick when George H. Bush dreamed up the NAFTA. When he got the President of Mexico and the Prime Minster Canada to agree to that one sided, unfair "Free Trade Treaty" NAFTA. The only people who made out on this fair trade treaty was the super rich, corporations, Mitt Romney, Mexico and Canada. Then George W. Bush passed WTO. The American middle class and the worker of America were hurt beyond belief. We are in the shape we are because the Republican Party and its cooperation with the rich and the corporations. :angry:
But that little man with the big ears said it all. "If they sign that NAFTA agreement, you will hear a giant suck sound of jobs leaving America for Mexico".
I never thought American could go down so far and so fast as in 8 years of George W. Bush. But after much research, this all started with Ronald Reagan, Newt Gingrich's Contract For America. People should read Newt's Contract for America and you will see how it has come true under the actions of the Republican Party.
America will never recover from George H. Bush and sonny boy George W's unfair, fast track free trade treaties are voided. As trade should be continued, new trade treaties should be negotiated by the American Union leaders. You have seen how the Republican negotiators failed at getting a fair and honest deal for America and it people.
Why did the Republicans get so many bad trade deals? Because they are in the pocket of the rich and the corporations. You see it today and every day. Billionaires putting in Millions and Millions of dollars in the Republican election coffers. The old Republican golden rule. He who has the gold rules. :rant:
Quote from: The Troll on August 22, 2012, 01:38:23 PM
Yes, I heard Perot say that statement on television. I was so sick when George H. Bush dreamed up the NAFTA. When he got the President of Mexico and the Prime Minster Canada to agree to that one sided, unfair "Free Trade Treaty" NAFTA. The only people who made out on this fair trade treaty was the super rich, corporations, Mitt Romney, Mexico and Canada. Then George W. Bush passed WTO. The American middle class and the worker of America were hurt beyond belief. We are in the shape we are because the Republican Party and its cooperation with the rich and the corporations. :angry:
But that little man with the big ears said it all. "If they sign that NAFTA agreement, you will hear a giant suck sound of jobs leaving America for Mexico".
I never thought American could go down so far and so fast as in 8 years of George W. Bush. But after much research, this all started with Ronald Reagan, Newt Gingrich's Contract For America. People should read Newt's Contract for America and you will see how it has come true under the actions of the Republican Party.
America will never recover from George H. Bush and sonny boy George W's unfair, fast track free trade treaties are voided. As trade should be continued, new trade treaties should be negotiated by the American Union leaders. You have seen how the Republican negotiators failed at getting a fair and honest deal for America and it people.
Why did the Republicans get so many bad trade deals? Because they are in the pocket of the rich and the corporations. You see it today and every day. Billionaires putting in Millions and Millions of dollars in the Republican election coffers. The old Republican golden rule. He who has the gold rules. :rant:
Just for the record:
With much consideration and emotional discussion, the House of Representatives approved NAFTA on November 17, 1993, 234-200. The agreement's supporters included 132 Republicans and 102 Democrats. NAFTA passed the Senate 61-38. Senate supporters were 34 Republicans and 27 Democrats. Clinton signed it into law on December 8, 1993; it went into effect on January 1, 1994. Clinton while signing the NAFTA bill stated that "NAFTA means jobs. American jobs, and good-paying American jobs. If I didn't believe that, I wouldn't support this agreement."
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 22, 2012, 02:25:49 PM
Just for the record:
With much consideration and emotional discussion, the House of Representatives approved NAFTA on November 17, 1993, 234-200. The agreement's supporters included 132 Republicans and 102 Democrats. NAFTA passed the Senate 61-38. Senate supporters were 34 Republicans and 27 Democrats. Clinton signed it into law on December 8, 1993; it went into effect on January 1, 1994. Clinton while signing the NAFTA bill stated that "NAFTA means jobs. American jobs, and good-paying American jobs. If I didn't believe that, I wouldn't support this agreement."
You bring out Clinton, as I have said for years. Bill Clinton is the best president the Republican ever had. When George H. and the Republican Party ( The Rich Party) he knew he could get the bill passed. He had it sitting there for the One World, Rhodes Scholar to bring up the bill, which got passed.
Tell me Henry Hawk do you think the NAFTA, WTO and all of the fast track trade treaties that George W. got through was good for the country. Henry do you have the balls to answer that question? ????????????????
I amazing how you can bring up all of this shit, trying to prove this, NAFTA wasn't a Republican plan to screw the American worker. Nice try. :haha: :jester:
Keep those blinders on ..... :yes:
Perot talks about the giant sucking sound.
http://www.youtube.com/v/EAHM9rXjdUo
Quote from: Locutus on August 22, 2012, 05:01:13 PM
Perot talks about the giant sucking sound.
http://www.youtube.com/v/EAHM9rXjdUo
You know I did notice one thing which I probably shouldn't admit to but I have to. Clinton looked, until the last part, like he was listening and learning from what Perot was saying and most of the time Bush had a smirk on his face, Clinton did at the last too. Now it may not have been a smirk on either of their faces and they didn't show Bush's face at quite the same angle but be honest since I am and tell me if any of you thought the same. Hearing that again makes me wish he were still around and young enough to run.
I don't think Clinton got a smirk on his face until he made the comments about the giant sucking sound.
That was about the time I noticed too. I also wonder if that look is a learning/listening look or a "boy is this guy nuts" look.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 22, 2012, 04:55:53 PM
Keep those blinders on ..... :yes:
Well, Monkey boy, you're like the three monkeys. See no evil, hear no evil and speak of no evil of the Republican Party. You're perfect Tea/Republican. You can not see or hear or speak when it come to the Super Rich loving Republican Party. Believe me when I say they love Sheeple. Bird Boy. :kiss: :haha:
Quote from: me on August 22, 2012, 05:09:57 PM
You know I did notice one thing which I probably shouldn't admit to but I have to. Clinton looked, until the last part, like he was listening and learning from what Perot was saying and most of the time Bush had a smirk on his face, Clinton did at the last too. Now it may not have been a smirk on either of their faces and they didn't show Bush's face at quite the same angle but be honest since I am and tell me if any of you thought the same. Hearing that again makes me wish he were still around and young enough to run.
Clinton smirked at "the giant sucking sound" and the Shrub couldn't stop smirking.
The sad part is he was telling the truth and they both damned well knew it. They just believed, wrongly, that corporate Amerika would not easily leave these shores for distant ones; or at best knew they'd both be history before such a thing transpired.
That giant sucking sound is probably why I cannot sleep very well anymore! :icon_evil:
Quote from: Palehorse on August 22, 2012, 08:20:44 PM
Clinton smirked at "the giant sucking sound" and the Shrub couldn't stop smirking.
The sad part is he was telling the truth and they both damned well knew it. They just believed, wrongly, that corporate Amerika would not easily leave these shores for distant ones; or at best knew they'd both be history before such a thing transpired.
That giant sucking sound is probably why I cannot sleep very well anymore! :icon_evil:
Yes, he was telling the truth. Unfortunately neither man had the good sense to listen to him. Either that or they knew and didn't care.
Quote from: me on August 23, 2012, 12:09:49 AM
Yes, he was telling the truth. Unfortunately neither man had the good sense to listen to him. Either that or they knew and didn't care.
The lobbyist lurking :lurker: over the backs of Bill and George H. told them to sign NAFTA. When you listen to the Super Rich boys and you see what we get. More money for them and poverty for us. :angry:
If it wasn't for the poor ass Republican Sheeple, the Republican Party wouldn't have a chance to screw up this country. :rant:
Sheeple :baaa: Sheeple :baaa: Sheeple :baaa: Sheeple :baaa: Sheeple :baaa: