As if there is any additional evidence needed to prove that this monster needs to be locked up for life:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/21/justice/pennsylvania-sandusky-trial/index.html?hpt=hp_t2 (http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/21/justice/pennsylvania-sandusky-trial/index.html?hpt=hp_t2)
Matt Sandusky, one of six adopted children of Jerry Sandusky, said through his attorney Thursday that he was sexually abused by the former Penn State assistant football coach, adding that he had been prepared to testify against him in a high-profile child rape case.
The revelation came on the same day a Pennsylvania jury began deliberating the fate of Jerry Sandusky, who is confronted with accusations of child sexual abuse involving 10 alleged victims.. . .
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
You said it all, he IS a monster that needs to be locked up for life!! :mad:
It will be interesting to see what happens, juries can be really funny. I think sometimes they over think things. I think he is guilty as sin, but I am not on the jury.
Quote from: Anne on June 22, 2012, 07:09:32 PM
It will be interesting to see what happens, juries can be really funny. I think sometimes they over think things. I think he is guilty as sin, but I am not on the jury.
You're one on the last ones a person on trial would want on their jury. If the prosecutor say the person is guilty, that person has to be guilty. :smash: GUILTY!!!!!!! :biggrin:
Soooo, you think he is innocent?
The jury has reached a verdict! He needs to go down. That guy is a monster.
BELLEFONTE, Pa. -- The jury in Jerry Sandusky's child sex abuse trial has reached a verdict, and the panel was expected to announce it Friday evening.
The 68-year-old former Penn State assistant football coach is fighting 48 counts that accuse him of abusing 10 boys over 15 years. He could spend the rest of his life in prison if convicted of all counts.
The jury was expected to announce the verdict sometime after 9:45 p.m.
The courtroom will be closed by the time the jury and attorneys assemble for the verdict, and no one will be allowed to leave until court is adjourned, the judge said in a court order. The verdict will be read count by count. Media are barred from transmitting any results of the verdict until adjournment, with the judge promising sanctions for any reporter or media organization violating his order.
http://espn.go.com/new-york/ncf/story/_/id/8087028/jury-reaches-verdict-jerry-sandusky-abuse-trial
That was quick.
They're reading the verdicts tonight. Don't know how long it will be before the media are allowed to release them because of the judges order.
Guilty on 45 of 48 counts.
Say hello to Bubba!
Yeah, all that pipe he laid with those boys is coming back to him. Bubba gonna' ride 'em hard and put 'em away wet! :yes: Karma's a bitch!
His lawyer made strange statements, almost like he was saying even he thought Sandusky was guilty. Well, good riddence to bad rubbish.
I hate to tell ya' folks but I'm going to disagree with you and you're not going to like it.
I think this trial and verdict is yet another travesty and nail in the coffin of our justice system. I think it once exposes the major flaws in the way we execute justice in this country.
1) Sandusky may or may not be guilty, but the prosecution certainly didn't prove guilt. Their entire case was predicated on pleas to emotion and not hard evidence. Admittedly, I didn't follow the trial closely by any means but nothing I heard on the news of the evidence presented mentioned any physical evidence. Primarily the evidence was emotional 'victim' testimony with no physical evidence that they were actually victims of sexual abuse. The only other testimony was from the coach who stated he thought he witnessed an incidence of sexual abuse but only reported it and didn't stop it.
2) It seems apparent to me that Sandusky was bought and paid for. In other words, he was going to be found guilty regardless of anything else. I think it had to do with two reasons. One, the charge was sexual abuse of children which is an emotional charge and usually results in the defendant being immediately judged guilty by the public which leads to a tainted and non-partial jury pool which usually leads to a guilty verdict regardless of the evidence. Two, Pennsylvania, Penn State, and the law enforcement community were given a very pronounced black eye by this and someone had to suffer the consequences regardless of the evidence. Therefore, there wasn't going to be any impartial court or jury to be found with the end result being an emotional lynching.
As I said, Sandusky may be actually guilty as charged, but would any of you wish to take your chances on any charge with a justice system stacked against you as it was against Sandusky? I think not.
Quote from: Y on June 24, 2012, 09:35:38 PM
I hate to tell ya' folks but I'm going to disagree with you and you're not going to like it.
I think this trial and verdict is yet another travesty and nail in the coffin of our justice system. I think it once exposes the major flaws in the way we execute justice in this country.
1) Sandusky may or may not be guilty, but the prosecution certainly didn't prove guilt. Their entire case was predicated on pleas to emotion and not hard evidence. Admittedly, I didn't follow the trial closely by any means but nothing I heard on the news of the evidence presented mentioned any physical evidence. Primarily the evidence was emotional 'victim' testimony with no physical evidence that they were actually victims of sexual abuse. The only other testimony was from the coach who stated he thought he witnessed an incidence of sexual abuse but only reported it and didn't stop it.
2) It seems apparent to me that Sandusky was bought and paid for. In other words, he was going to be found guilty regardless of anything else. I think it had to do with two reasons. One, the charge was sexual abuse of children which is an emotional charge and usually results in the defendant being immediately judged guilty by the public which leads to a tainted and non-partial jury pool which usually leads to a guilty verdict regardless of the evidence. Two, Pennsylvania, Penn State, and the law enforcement community were given a very pronounced black eye by this and someone had to suffer the consequences regardless of the evidence. Therefore, there wasn't going to be any impartial court or jury to be found with the end result being an emotional lynching.
As I said, Sandusky may be actually guilty as charged, but would any of you wish to take your chances on any charge with a justice system stacked against you as it was against Sandusky? I think not.
I have to admit that those thoughts were rattling around in my mind as well, however; when his adopted kid came out with it as well, I let them escape unencumbered.
Paterno lost his job, and his life shortly thereafter over all of this business. I'm thinking ol' Jerry will only lose his freedom for a short while before he joins Paterno. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on June 24, 2012, 09:53:02 PM
I have to admit that those thoughts were rattling around in my mind as well, however; when his adopted kid came out with it as well, I let them escape unencumbered...
But that the same as the other 'victim' testimony, an emotional plea lacking in hard physical evidence.
The other thing I didn't mention, but IIRC Sandusky's attorney may have touched on it, is money. There's going to be some big bucks handed out to anyone claiming to be a victim here, another instance of the 'lawsuit lottery', and no small motivation for being, or becoming, one of the 'victims'...and that's not to disparage any real victims should they exist.
Quote from: Y on June 24, 2012, 10:07:52 PM
But that the same as the other 'victim' testimony, an emotional plea lacking in hard physical evidence.
The other thing I didn't mention, but IIRC Sandusky's attorney may have touched on it, is money. There's going to be some big bucks handed out to anyone claiming to be a victim here, another instance of the 'lawsuit lottery', and no small motivation for being, or becoming, one of the 'victims'...and that's not to disparage any real victims should they exist.
The kid has no dog in the hunt, as it were. He's legally adopted and entitled to whatever the hyenas don't get anyway. (And ol' Jerry's umbrella policy probably ain't big enough to cover the ramifications of his down low life-style).
Looks like some people who don't want Paterno's statue around anymore in light of the Freeh report are threatening to take matters into their own hands. :spooked:
(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/120717045044-penn-state-plane-banner-story-top.jpg)
BTW, for anyone who hasn't read the whole Freeh report, but would like to, you can find it here:
Link to report (http://assets.espn.go.com/pdf/2012/0712/psupressrelease.pdf)
Anyone have any thoughts about the hubris of the Paterno family in stating that they're hiring their own team to do an investigation of the events?
I can understand it, you never want to think of your husband or father doing what the report says he did.
Quote from: Anne on July 17, 2012, 10:45:07 PM
I can understand it, you never want to think of your husband or father doing what the report says he did.
I think it exemplifies the same kind of hubris and "personal entitlement" attitude that allowed a monster to prey on children unhindered for so many years.
Quote from: Locutus on July 17, 2012, 11:06:04 PM
I think it exemplifies the same kind of hubris and "personal entitlement" attitude that allowed a monster to prey on children unhindered for so many years.
I don't think that they should take football away from Penn State. What about the football players, the students. I think they should take the profit from football from Penn State and use it for something good. Why hurt the many for the sins of a few. :yes:
Quote from: Locutus on July 17, 2012, 07:11:53 PM
Anyone have any thoughts about the hubris of the Paterno family in stating that they're hiring their own team to do an investigation of the events?
Unless they can come up with some evidence that Joe was oblivious to what was going on....I think it is just a sad situation. Joe was a legend, but it appears that he used some very, very bad judgement, and is going to have to live (and die) with it. Penn St needs to do make some serious changes around there, and fight through this. Winning is the best way to move on.
Quote from: Locutus on July 17, 2012, 03:28:44 PM
BTW, for anyone who hasn't read the whole Freeh report, but would like to, you can find it here:
Link to report (http://assets.espn.go.com/pdf/2012/0712/psupressrelease.pdf)
Joe Paterno was, from all appearances, coasting through the rest of his tenure as Penn State's Coach. He likely knew that Sandusky was poring little boys and didn't want to risk his tenure and retirement in order to expose it. He was waiting on someone else to do so. (Wrongfully)
The rest of them knew damned good and well what Sandusky was doing, and as the report states they enabled his deviant behavior by doing basically nothing except worrying about how the scandal would negatively impact Penn State and their respective positions.
Paterno is dead, so why not let him rest in peace? The university has already stated they would honor his contract. (Although in light of the situation that could actually be an attempt to shut up the Paterno Family and let the issue die with him).
The hubris being displayed by the Paterno family, as well as Penn State leadership, is likely an attempt to "make this go away". Unless the rest of these jackwagons are held accountable for their enabling of Sandusky's behaviors, and lethargic approach toward their duty and responsibilities under the law, that is exactly what is going to happen. :mad:
MLB ousted Pete Rose over some gambling habits for life. Shouldn't all involved in the rape and abuse of little boys be subjected to worse?
I couldn't give a rat's ass if Paterno won every single football game he coached -- that does not justify his incredibly cold-hearted, crass, bullshit way he bought his "out" over the sexual abuse of those children. Even if it were only ONE child, the deal would NEVER have been justified.
He proposed it. Let his legacy live with that.
Every trace of Paterno should be erased from Penn State, with the exception of an enormous plaque, apologizing for the travesty committed on and off the campus by a trusted employee and the appalling, sickening cover-up that has followed.
Quote from: followsthewolf on July 18, 2012, 01:44:20 PM
I couldn't give a rat's ass if Paterno won every single football game he coached -- that does not justify his incredibly cold-hearted, crass, bullshit way he bought his "out" over the sexual abuse of those children. Even if it were only ONE child, the deal would NEVER have been justified.
He proposed it. Let his legacy live with that.
Every trace of Paterno should be erased from Penn State, with the exception of an enormous plaque, apologizing for the travesty committed on and off the campus by a trusted employee and the appalling, sickening cover-up that has followed.
VERY well said. :yes:
Quote from: followsthewolf on July 18, 2012, 01:44:20 PM
I couldn't give a rat's ass if Paterno won every single football game he coached -- that does not justify his incredibly cold-hearted, crass, bullshit way he bought his "out" over the sexual abuse of those children. Even if it were only ONE child, the deal would NEVER have been justified.
He proposed it. Let his legacy live with that.
Every trace of Paterno should be erased from Penn State, with the exception of an enormous plaque, apologizing for the travesty committed on and off the campus by a trusted employee and the appalling, sickening cover-up that has followed.
Yeah, that is the bottom line FTW.... How he could close his eyes to such a travesty is beyond any logical thinking person. It is still a shame, because he had such a loyal following, who trusted him....and he let everyone down, and some small children paid the price for it.
Quote from: followsthewolf on July 18, 2012, 01:44:20 PM
I couldn't give a rat's ass if Paterno won every single football game he coached -- that does not justify his incredibly cold-hearted, crass, bullshit way he bought his "out" over the sexual abuse of those children. Even if it were only ONE child, the deal would NEVER have been justified.
He proposed it. Let his legacy live with that.
Every trace of Paterno should be erased from Penn State, with the exception of an enormous plaque, apologizing for the travesty committed on and off the campus by a trusted employee and the appalling, sickening cover-up that has followed.
Very well said, Wolf!
Have any of you read the report?
As I've stated previously on this subject, regardless of Sandusky's actual innocence or guilt, the trial, and now this report, are a farce, and I don't think any of you would want the wheels of 'justice' to grind towards yourselves in that manner.
Let me explain the Grand Jury workings to you. The prosecutor uses a Grand Jury when s/he doesn't have the evidence to charge the defendant straight out, so s/he attempts to present a case that the folks serving on the Grand Jury should vote for an indictment.
As I pointed out before, there was no concrete evidence of any victims of sexual abuse. The LEO's investigating the complaints found no evidence and the prosecutor brought no charges. From there, no one had any legal obligations to do anything. Now I think the school was foolish in not taking precautionary measures and moving Sandusky on down the road just to prevent any possible liability issues, but I understand with no evidence and no charges they decided not to put an end to Sandusky's career.
I've stated that the trial verdict was a verdict based on emotion and not on hard evidence. The report takes that misguided verdict and leaps to all sorts of unfounded conclusions. That report is nothing but GIGO - garbage in, garbage out.
The report, the trial, and everything else isn't about justice, it's about scapegoating - and not even about scapegoating the right parties. The parties that need to be looked at are the LEO's and the prosecutor involved in the original investigation. They either had it right and there was no evidence of sexual abuse, or they conspired to avoid sullying the school's name and athletic program.
If they had it right, then this entire fiasco is a travesty of our judicial system - regardless of Sandusky's actual guilt or innocence of any sexual abuse. If we're to pride ourselves on our adherence to the rule of law, then we have to make it work regardless of how much a monster the public thinks the defendant is.
Y, as you know I respect you, but I think you are getting to philosophical here. I think there is MORE than enough evidence to KNOW that Sandusky "crossed the line". I agree our system is far from perfect, and many times it is flat out wrong. I think OJ is a great example of how our system failed. There was MORE than enough evidence to prove his guilt, but our system allowed most of the concrete evidence to not be used. THERE WAS 45 charges of sexually abusing young boys! forty five! And three more have come out today saying THEY were abused back in the late 70's.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 19, 2012, 08:49:51 AM
Y, as you know I respect you, but I think you are getting to philosophical here. I think there is MORE than enough evidence to KNOW that Sandusky "crossed the line". I agree our system is far from perfect, and many times it is flat out wrong. I think OJ is a great example of how our system failed. There was MORE than enough evidence to prove his guilt, but our system allowed most of the concrete evidence to not be used. THERE WAS 45 charges of sexually abusing young boys! forty five! And three more have come out today saying THEY were abused back in the late 70's.
It's all over the idiot is going to jail for life. Why try a University. All of the lawyers and bench warmers want is a pound of flesh and some money. It's over lets move one. I know a great lesson has been leaned, it won't happen there again. Get over it, it's water over the damn,. :yes: :rolleyes:
Quote from: followsthewolf on July 18, 2012, 01:44:20 PM
I couldn't give a rat's ass if Paterno won every single football game he coached -- that does not justify his incredibly cold-hearted, crass, bullshit way he bought his "out" over the sexual abuse of those children. Even if it were only ONE child, the deal would NEVER have been justified.
He proposed it. Let his legacy live with that.
Every trace of Paterno should be erased from Penn State, with the exception of an enormous plaque, apologizing for the travesty committed on and off the campus by a trusted employee and the appalling, sickening cover-up that has followed.
Agreed. Hopefully you did not misinterpret my previous post as being supportive in any way of Paterno and his abject failure to uphold his responsibility to the children being porked by Sandusky.
But the man is dead, and speculating on what he deserves for his obvious delinquencies serves no purpose. I do agree he should be wiped from the history and campus of Penn State. (Along with every single one of his peers who failed just as miserably). :mad:
Nope, PH. Didn't interpret your post as such.
Just got all fired up for a moment, lost control, and went on a mini-rant.
I have a problem when people decide to idolize others for the wrong reasons.
Quote from: followsthewolf on July 20, 2012, 01:40:20 PM
Nope, PH. Didn't interpret your post as such.
Just got all fired up for a moment, lost control, and went on a mini-rant.
I have a problem when people decide to idolize others for the wrong reasons.
I share that proclivity my friend! :yes: :yes: :yes:
And the demonization continues - the Paterno statue coming down - and it's not even the right parties:
Quote from: Y on July 18, 2012, 10:45:46 PM
...The parties that need to be looked at are the LEO's and the prosecutor involved in the original investigation. They either had it right and there was no evidence of sexual abuse, or they conspired to avoid sullying the school's name and athletic program...
Quote from: Y on July 22, 2012, 03:08:47 PM
And the demonetization continues - the Paterno statue coming down - and it's not even the right parties:
It's that invisible pound of flesh that the angry crowd of Do Gooders need to calm their own conscience. :rolleyes: Burn everyone at the stake. :rolleyes:
And Penn State will be subjected to unprecedented sanctions due to the situation. Announcement of just what those sanctions will be is to be unveiled in Indianapolis at the NCAA HQ tomorrow.
Quote from: Palehorse on July 22, 2012, 03:53:16 PM
And Penn State will be subjected to unprecedented sanctions due to the situation. Announcement of just what those sanctions will be is to be unveiled in Indianapolis at the NCAA HQ tomorrow.
Yep, let's hurt the students and the football program. The NCAA will have to get its pound of flesh too. If they are going to do anything, get, which they can't, the people that are guilty. :rolleyes:
When the football program becomes one of the primary reasons for support of a university, that university sits on uneasy ground.
The program (hence, the university) enjoyed years of unprecedented adulation and support -- primarily focused on one individual.
Dangerous territory.
If that individual, and those around him are found to be seriously flawed, the program, and, by association, the university will be deemed to have been flawed.
Whether it is fatal or not is dependent upon the actions taken by the program and the university.
The university rode it to riches; now it must, by nature, bite the bullet.
Their choice. They have to live or die with it.
Guaranteed, they won't die. Just a speed bump. :rolleyes:
Quote from: The Troll on July 22, 2012, 06:09:33 PM
Guaranteed, they won't die. Just a speed bump. :rolleyes:
I wouldn't be so quick to say that. Given the travesty unfolding, I wouldn't be surprised to see the NCAA impose VERY harsh sanctions on Penn State; including ending scholarships for a decade.
No matter which side you fall on in this thing, the fact remains that high level leadership failed completely; all in the name of the "brand". Volleyball, hockey, mens/women's, as well as all other sports programs at that institution existed on the revenues generated by the football program. A program that facilitated a child molester for decades. (And whether the "statute of limitations" applies or not, those facts alone require remediation that includes harsh punishment that will ensure that the boards and leadership organizations of every single institution of higher learning understand that NOTHING is more important than the lives of those who are there to learn. NOTHING. )
That law enforcement has not been held accountable yet is also maddening. The red flags were there and waving vigorously. But they were persuaded by the "brand" to look the other way. That is intolerable; or should be.
Penn State will, and should, pay the price for its abject failures.
As some of you have said before; "this country is full of universities", so losing one should not matter. Especially when the "brand" means more than the objective of the institutions very existence.
They are too much of a cash cow for the NCAA.
Again I disagree. Why punish the teachers, the staff, the caretakers, the students for the mistake of a few eggs heads. I don't see and I don't foresee any big percussion coming down on everything the college stands for education, making good citizens and sports. Just because of a few.
But, there are the few that always want a pound of flesh and someone to punish. Stop the witch hunt, we know who is guilty are and one is going to prison for life.
Hey Troll, that's what I mean.
Penn State makes too much money and too much publicity for the NCAA for them to kick the university in the teeth.
But, if you ride the coattails of one person, you take the bad with the good.
If the ride's over, the ride's over. If it's not, it's not.
And aren't you the one who is always slamming those who have degrees?
Quote from: followsthewolf on July 22, 2012, 08:33:57 PM
Hey Troll, that's what I mean.
Penn State makes too much money and too much publicity for the NCAA for them to kick the university in the teeth.
But, if you ride the coattails of one person, you take the bad with the good.
If the ride's over, the ride's over. If it's not, it's not.
And aren't you the one who is always slamming those who have degrees?
I thought you were an educated man with a degree. But you can't get over what I said about some people with a degree that are totally stupid and brain dead. You talk like I was talking to you directly. Are you shameful that you got an education and you are very lucky to be where you are? Because you have fooled all of these people for all of these years that you are not as smart as your tests show. Is that your problem Bunky? But, I have see it many time the person just doesn't have it. Are you saying that all people, men and women with college degrees are smart and intelligent. :rolleyes: :wink:
I am quite sure that you have read the Peter Principle. You know where some one who has a great education is advanced to a place in the business where that person is totally incompetent. Is that you. It sure bothers you what this plumber said. Get over it. Your beginning to sound like a cry baby. :cry:
(CNN) -- Penn State University will be hit with fines in excess of $30 million as part of "significant, unprecedented penalties" expected to be announced Monday by the National Collegiate Athletic Association, a source familiar with the case told CNN on Sunday.
While the school's football program will not face the so-called "death penalty" that would have prevented the team from playing in the fall, the school might have preferred a one-year suspension because of the severity of the scholarship losses, postseason sanctions and other penalties, the source said.. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on July 22, 2012, 09:17:41 PM
(CNN) -- Penn State University will be hit with fines in excess of $30 million as part of "significant, unprecedented penalties" expected to be announced Monday by the National Collegiate Athletic Association, a source familiar with the case told CNN on Sunday.
While the school's football program will not face the so-called "death penalty" that would have prevented the team from playing in the fall, the school might have preferred a one-year suspension because of the severity of the scholarship losses, postseason sanctions and other penalties, the source said.. . .
Yep, when it all boils down to a thick goo, it's all about the money. $30 million to the National Collegiate Athletic Association. What are they going to do with the money. Give it to some of it to the kids that were molested or give their officials a great big bonus for sticking it to Penn State. What a con game and farce. :rant: Give the money to some kids that need an education. The damn greedy bastards. :rant:
My opinion says the Penn St needs to accept WHATEVER penalty the NCAA decides to give them, with a smile! They need to take it one step further than what the NCAA offers them...they MUST show the country that they are remorseful for their actions or better yet, lack of actions...
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 23, 2012, 08:14:27 AM
My opinion says the Penn St needs to accept WHATEVER penalty the NCAA decides to give them, with a smile! They need to take it one step further than what the NCAA offers them...they MUST show the country that they are remorseful for their actions or better yet, lack of actions...
You use the word "they" rather loosely. Who are they. The whole college, the teachers, the students, the gardeners, the cleaning and repair staff. Like I said before, why should Penn State pay NCAA 30 Million dollars. When 99.8% of the people had nothing to do with the rapes or not reporting them, which the coach did to the campass police.
Does paying Million of dollars to a athletic organization wipe out the shame. Just where does the right under law to force a college to pay fines for the wrong doing of a few, the foot ball players and the under staff didn't know a damn thing about it. The upper leaders morally they committed a sin, if you're religious. As far as the law, no crime was committed by the staff.
Name the law where the NCAA has the right to fine them $30,000,000. If they take it to court and most likely they will. I want on the jury. :rant: Henry you're whole life revolves around and about money, as long as you don't have to pay for it. Right? :rolleyes:
Quote from: The Troll on July 23, 2012, 08:43:04 AM
You use the word "they" rather loosely. Who are they. The whole college, the teachers, the students, the gardeners, the cleaning and repair staff. Like I said before, why should Penn State pay NCAA 30 Million dollars. When 99.8% of the people had nothing to do with the rapes or not reporting them, which the coach did to the campass police.
Does paying Million of dollars to a athletic organization wipe out the shame. Just where does the right under law to force a college to pay fines for the wrong doing of a few, the foot ball players and the under staff didn't know a damn thing about it. The upper leaders morally they committed a sin, if you're religious. As far as the law, no crime was committed by the staff.
Name the law where the NCAA has the right to fine them $30,000,000. If they take it to court and most likely they will. I want on the jury. :rant: Henry you're whole life revolves around and about money, as long as you don't have to pay for it. Right? :rolleyes:
No, I just believe that people have to be accountable for their actions....I'm talking about Penn St. the administration. The lack of actions by them is inexcusable. Lets see what the NCAA deals them...I bet there will be NO trial....Penn St will take the punch and move on if they have an ounce of class left in them.
The NCAA has hit Penn State with a $60 million sanction, a four-year football postseason ban and a vacation of all wins dating to 1998.....The career record of Joe Paterno will reflect these vacated records, the NCAA said.
Penn State must also reduce 10 initial and 20 total scholarships each year for a four-year period.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 23, 2012, 10:03:25 AM
The NCAA has hit Penn State with a $60 million sanction, a four-year football postseason ban and a vacation of all wins dating to 1998.....The career record of Joe Paterno will reflect these vacated records, the NCAA said.
Penn State must also reduce 10 initial and 20 total scholarships each year for a four-year period.
I am still struggling with this whole thing, trying to get my head around it.
But what do these sanctions really do to the people who participated in the cover-up of the crimes? They get to keep their jobs, from what I have heard.
Quote from: Olias on July 23, 2012, 10:33:52 AM
I am still struggling with this whole thing, trying to get my head around it.
But what do these sanctions really do to the people who participated in the cover-up of the crimes? They get to keep their jobs, from what I have heard.
Just passing on the info as I see it come in....
"No price the NCAA can levy with repair the damage inflicted by Jerry Sandusky on his victims," he said, referring to the former Penn State defensive coordinator convicted of 45 counts of child sex abuse last month.
The NCAA said the $60 million was equivalent to the average annual revenue of the football program. The NCAA ordered Penn State to pay the penalty funds into an endowment for "external programs preventing child sexual abuse or assisting victims and may not be used to fund such programs at the university."
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 23, 2012, 10:41:41 AM
Just passing on the info as I see it come in....
I know. I just think there should be some more jail time passed out.
Quote from: Olias on July 23, 2012, 10:53:21 AM
I know. I just think there should be some more jail time passed out.
And there may very well be. Remember, there are several other members of the administration awaiting trial.
The NCAA is taking steps to eliminate Paterno's name from the record books by taking away the records from 1998 on and removing him as the winningest coach.
But if we think about the 60 million fine, just who is going to really pay it? The students and their families I am thinking. If the University loses 60 million from its coffers it will make it back in tuition increases. :mad:
Quote from: Palehorse on July 23, 2012, 12:16:19 PM
But if we think about the 60 million fine, just who is going to really pay it? The students and their families I am thinking. If the University loses 60 million from its coffers it will make it back in tuition increases. :mad:
That is a great point...maybe the admin involved should be subject to the fine, or maybe optional work a "said amount of years" at 1/2 the salary & benifits.
But you are correct, they will just take it out on the tuition costs....but another thing to remember, they are going to have less kids interested in attending.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 23, 2012, 12:21:16 PM
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But you are correct, they will just take it out on the tuition costs....but another thing to remember, they are going to have less kids interested in attending.
. . .Which is why I believe the university may very well be in financial straights in short order, and possibly fold.
Most of their high profile players now have the option to transfer to another program elsewhere, and be eligible to play immediately, and I am thinking many of them will take advantage of this. Especially since Penn is now ineligible for any bowl games for the next 4 years. (Is this really punishing the institution or the students?)
All of this adds up to a huge negative impact to the revenue stream of the university, and should they indeed increase tuition to make up for it, families will pass over them to pursue higher education for their children.
But what I don't get is, where in Hell has the NCAA has the right to fine a college such a ridiculous price. It is all bull shit and the NCAA is going to make a killing. I'll bet it's board member get a big raise. What other thing could it be. It's about the money they can steal. :rant: The school and it's football team has nothing in it. Screw the NCAA, the way it is run is crooked anyway. Not letting the ball players have any money for using up their bodies for the enrichment of the colleges and the NCAA. :angry:
Quote from: The Troll on July 23, 2012, 12:47:27 PM
But what I don't get is, where in Hell has the NCAA has the right to fine a college such a ridiculous price. It is all bull shit and the NCAA is going to make a killing. I'll bet it's board member get a big raise. What other thing could it be. It's about the money they can steal. :rant: The school and it's football team has nothing in it. Screw the NCAA, the way it is run is crooked anyway. Not letting the ball players have any money for using up their bodies for the enrichment of the colleges and the NCAA. :angry:
The fines are going to go to an endowment for victims of abuse, not the NCAA.
Think of the NCAA as a union for college athletics. . .
Quote from: The Troll on July 23, 2012, 12:47:27 PM
But what I don't get is, where in Hell has the NCAA has the right to fine a college such a ridiculous price. It is all bull shit and the NCAA is going to make a killing. I'll bet it's board member get a big raise. What other thing could it be. It's about the money they can steal. :rant: The school and it's football team has nothing in it. Screw the NCAA, the way it is run is crooked anyway. Not letting the ball players have any money for using up their bodies for the enrichment of the colleges and the NCAA. :angry:
Troll,
The NCAA ordered Penn State to pay the penalty funds into an endowment for "external programs preventing child sexual abuse or assisting victims and may not be used to fund such programs at the university."I think the bigger problem with this is what PH said...they will just pass the cost of on tuition....and enrollment will drop and Penn St will eventually cease to exist. Perhaps this is going to be a lesson for ALL Universities to take to heart.
I am interested in the upcoming trials involving others who KNEW what was going on...and remained silent.
Quote from: Palehorse on July 23, 2012, 12:55:05 PM
The fines are going to go to an endowment for victims of abuse, not the NCAA.
Think of the NCAA as a union for college athletics. . .
$300 million for victims of abuse. My wife abuses me every day, I want some of that money. You got to be kidding, it isn't the job of the NCAA to start endowment for anything.
The NCAA is a union for the athletics? :haha: :haha: :haha: Let the UAW represent the college athletics. You would see a real contract for the athletics. I want a real union for them, a union that will protect the young men and women, not the colleges nor the NCAA. :yes: :yes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 23, 2012, 01:03:27 PM
Troll,
The NCAA ordered Penn State to pay the penalty funds into an endowment for "external programs preventing child sexual abuse or assisting victims and may not be used to fund such programs at the university."
I think the bigger problem with this is what PH said...they will just pass the cost of on tuition....and enrollment will drop and Penn St will eventually cease to exist. Perhaps this is going to be a lesson for ALL Universities to take to heart.
I am interested in the upcoming trials involving others who KNEW what was going on...and remained silent.
And Henry Hawk that is a big crock of shit. Why is it, that you're always after money and blood. :rant:
I don't really follow college sports, but isn't Penn Stat a state college and if it is doesn't the state have something to say about what it charges for tuition?
Quote from: The Troll on July 23, 2012, 01:08:32 PM
And Henry Hawk that is a big crock of shit. Why is it, that you're always after money and blood. :rant:
are you on drugs? REALLY, are you taking meds without reading the directions first? Taking too much of one med and not enough of the other? REALLY?
All I did was cut and pasted what the NCAA said.......their words NOT MINE ..... maybe you need a nap?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 23, 2012, 02:44:24 PM
are you on drugs? REALLY, are you taking meds without reading the directions first? Taking too much of one med and not enough of the other? REALLY?
All I did was cut and pasted what the NCAA said.......their words NOT MINE ..... maybe you need a nap?
Yep, I taking meds and you will too if you can afford them. My Union got me drug benefits that I have hardly have to pay anything for any drug I need for and in my life. How about you. :wink: :biggrin:
Quote from: The Troll on July 23, 2012, 01:05:44 PM
. . .
The NCAA is a union for the athletics? :haha: :haha: :haha: Let the UAW represent the college athletics. You would see a real contract for the athletics. I want a real union for them, a union that will protect the young men and women, not the colleges nor the NCAA. :yes: :yes:
ROTFLMAO I knew that'd get you riled! :smile:
Quote from: The Troll on July 23, 2012, 06:23:36 PM
Yep, I taking meds and you will too if you can afford them. My Union got me drug benefits that I have hardly have to pay anything for any drug I need for and in my life. How about you. :wink: :biggrin:
and WHO is paying for those drugs you take?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 23, 2012, 07:49:58 PM
and WHO is paying for those drugs you take?
I and the other union workers paid for this drug plan. We took benefits instead of wage increases. I paid for this drug program for 38 years. And I can tell you Hawk it is really paying off. :haha: How about you. :wink: Are you going to take the government drug program when you retire. :confused:
Oh, that's right if the Republicans get in, there won't be any drug program. :yes: Just tax cuts for the super rich and corporations. Bird Boy. :kiss:
Quote from: The Troll on July 23, 2012, 08:50:14 PM
I and the other union workers paid for this drug plan. We took benefits instead of wage increases. I paid for this drug program for 38 years. And I can tell you Hawk it is really paying off. :haha: How about you. :wink: Are you going to take the government drug program when you retire. :confused:
Oh, that's right if the Republicans get in, there won't be any drug program. :yes: Just tax cuts for the super rich and corporations. Bird Boy. :kiss:
I will take what I paid into it........OH WAIT, I can't because the democrats ALREADY spent MY MONEY, I PUT IN, on there pet programs to buy more votes!!!
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 23, 2012, 08:54:22 PM
I will take what I paid into it........OH WAIT, I can't because the democrats ALREADY spent MY MONEY, I PUT IN, on there pet programs to buy more votes!!!
Well, Mitch Daniels spent all your money from the he got from the sale of your Indiana Toll Road. You didn't care or bitch about that, did you? And you voted for that turd two times. :yes: :biggrin:
Would you clue me in who Obama paid to buy their votes. Was the bankers that was to big to fail and the stock market and their bundling of bad loans. That put America in a Republican depression. Right? Tweetie Bird. :rolleyes:
IS THE NCAA THE GOD OF SPORTS.
What is the NCAA a private organization that was started by Teddy Roosevelt at the time when dozens and dozens of kids were being killed playing football.
What has the NCAA become. A 11 Billion dollar private entity who pays it's top CEO one and a half million dollars a year, $1,500,000 per year. Plus 12 vice presidents $400,000 a year. These people handle billion of dollars from advertisments off the men and women who work for nothing. Zero, Nada, Zilch. Using up their bodies for nothing. Sounds fair don't it Henry. :rolleyes:
These people sit on their asses and make millions off of slave labor. What legal power do they to fine and destroy Pen State. The kid playing today where only 4 years old when Sandusky was molesting kids.
Taking game away from Penn State was to keep Parterno from being the top winning coach. Bullshit, he and his boys won those games and the guy they call the most winning coach now is a phony winner. They may have tried it, but it won't work. Let the legal system handle the punishment of Penn State.
Yes Sir, Henry, the NCAA is the best and finest UNION the college athleites can have. Giving them the protection and money they need. :azz:
Sentencing has been set for October 9th.
Quote from: Locutus on September 17, 2012, 04:40:07 PM
Sentencing has been set for October 9Th.
This stupid bastard who had everything going for him, had to molest kids. But I will bet this dumb ass will never see another day as a free man. For what he did he will lose his freedom for the rest of his life. Good :yeah:
But what it really pisses me off is, this bastard will get a cot, three squares a day, free medical at the cost of $32,000 a year. I think they, the state should put him to sleep because he will never be any use to America again. :hanged: Can you imagine paying $32,000 a year to keep this son of a bitch for the rest of his life. :dead:
They're going to throw away the key on him.
Perhaps he ought to receive life in the general population; where Bubba can introduce him to Uncle Remus. . . . :icon_twisted:
Quote from: Palehorse on September 17, 2012, 07:51:47 PM
Perhaps he ought to receive life in the general population; where Bubba can introduce him to Uncle Remus. . . . :icon_twisted:
I know of two men who are child molesters who are in prison. They are all cage by themselves with other child molesters in part of the prison away from the general population. Why? Because the convicts hate child molesters and their lives and physical health would be in jeopardy. let send him to general population. :biggrin:
I predict there'll be "rhythmic slapping sounds" coming from the showers in the pen he's in.
Even though he claims he is innocent........he will spend a min of 30 years in prison.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 09, 2012, 01:03:19 PM
Even though he claims he is innocent........he will spend a min of 30 years in prison.
...and at 68 years old, it means he'll die in prison.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 09, 2012, 01:03:19 PM
Even though he claims he is innocent........he will spend a min of 30 years in prison.
Yep, it will be a life sentence. But the man is a crazy nut. The standing the man had in life. The family the man had. The the job he had. and the money he made. :rant: Yet he is so crazy he couldn't let little boys alone. :yes: He needs to be locked up for life. With the past history of child molesters, they can never be trusted around kids again. What a frigging shame. :no: :no: :no: :no:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 09, 2012, 01:03:19 PM
Even though he claims he is innocent........he will spend a min of 30 years in prison.
Now he'll get the pipe laid to him. Ol Bubba gonna tear that old ass up!
Quote from: Palehorse on October 09, 2012, 07:20:43 PM
Now he'll get the pipe laid to him. Ol Bubba gonna tear that old ass up!
Only if they put him in the general population. They might not do that though. It'll be interesting to see where he lands after his evaluation at the diagnostic facility at Camp Hill.
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I used to date a girl who was from Camp Hill, PA. ;D
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Quote from: Locutus on October 09, 2012, 08:04:44 PM
Only if they put him in the general population. They might not do that though. It'll be interesting to see where he lands after his evaluation at the diagnostic facility at Camp Hill.
< aside >
I used to date a girl who was from Camp Hill, PA. ;D
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They'll probably end up having him teaching, and when they do ol' Bubba gonna get some pipe laid. :yes: