(CNN) -- Iran plans to send ships near the Atlantic coast of the United States, state-run Islamic Republic News Agency reported Tuesday, quoting a commander.
"The Navy of the Iranian Army will have a powerful presence near the United States borders," read the headline of the story, in Farsi.
"Commander of the Navy of the Army of the Islamic Republic of Iran broke the news about the plans for the presence of this force in the Atlantic Ocean and said that the same way that the world arrogant power is present near our marine borders, we, with the help of our sailors who follow the concept of the supreme jurisprudence, shall also establish a powerful presence near the marine borders of the United States," the story said. The reference to the "world arrogant power" was presumably intended to refer to the United States.. . .
http://www.cnn.com/2011/09/27/world/meast/iran-navy/index.html?hpt=hp_t2 (http://www.cnn.com/2011/09/27/world/meast/iran-navy/index.html?hpt=hp_t2)
Yeah. . . so now they are going to inch closer to our shores and bring the threat to us. . .
Heck they're just freedom fighters we can talk to them and they'll be ok. :rolleyes:
You know Obama got Osama bin Laden killed, he didn't back down in Iraq and Afghanistan. I can see the Iranian ships surrounded by our largest ships with all of the guns pointed at them and jet fighter/bomber flying over head the whole time they are here. :yes: :biggrin:
Remember when Russia sent the Bear Bombers over the seas around America and they had five or six fighter jet with armed guns surrounding them. Guess what they quit flying over here.
They are just as big a blow hard's as "ME" or Hawk. :rotfl: :rotfl:
Then we know how Israel feels....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 28, 2011, 07:32:40 AM
Then we know how Israel feels....
Yep, the poor Jews. They don't want peace while they are building settlements in Palestine. :wink: :smile:
Quote from: The Troll on October 01, 2011, 09:23:06 AM
Yep, the poor Jews. They don't want peace while they are building settlements in Palestine. :wink: :smile:
What you don't seem to understand is that they were given that land just like the Native Americans were given land here and the white man kept taking it away from them. They improved what was worthless land and now that it's no longer worthless the Palestinians want it back.
Quote from: me on October 01, 2011, 07:50:11 PM
What you don't seem to understand is that they were given that land just like the Native Americans were given land here and the white man kept taking it away from them. They improved what was worthless land and now that it's no longer worthless the Palestinians want it back.
What ever you say Grass Hopper! :puke: :puke:
Quote from: The Troll on October 02, 2011, 10:17:00 AM
What ever you say Grass Hopper! :puke: :puke:
Read up on it duffus.
Quote from: The Troll on October 01, 2011, 09:23:06 AM
Yep, the poor Jews. They don't want peace while they are building settlements in Palestine. :wink: :smile:
there is no such thing a Palestine....or Palestinians.......they are nothing more than Arabs in Isreal, the land of the Jews.
Quote from: me on October 01, 2011, 07:50:11 PM
the Native Americans were given land here and the white man kept taking it away from them.
the Native Americans were given land here??????
:mad: :mad: :mad:
How can you give something to someone when you took it away from them in the first place?
:mad: :mad: :mad:
Quote from: Olias on October 03, 2011, 09:34:58 AM
the Native Americans were given land here??????
:mad: :mad: :mad:
How can you give something to someone when you took it away from them in the first place?
:mad: :mad: :mad:
Absolutely classic attitude by those who are not of the people.
Quote from: Olias on October 03, 2011, 09:34:58 AM
the Native Americans were given land here??????
:mad: :mad: :mad:
How can you give something to someone when you took it away from them in the first place?
:mad: :mad: :mad:
You are correct, but technically ME is right, we DID give them land that we took custody over. Her point is valid.
i understand the fact that they (the american indian) got screwed when our ancestors came over here and established "modern" civilization.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 03, 2011, 02:32:22 PM
You are correct, but technically ME is right, we DID give them land that we took custody over. Her point is valid.
i understand the fact that they (the american indian) got screwed when our ancestors came over here and established "modern" civilization.
Maybe you should research the subject a little before you dig yourself into an even deeper hole.
our ancestors came over here and established "modern" civilization???The civilizations here and some of the cities surpassed anything in Europe at the time.
It seems to me that the area that is now Isarel the people that were there were perfectly happy until the English and the U.S.A. decided to move the Jews in on top of them. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Olias on October 03, 2011, 03:49:35 PM
Maybe you should research the subject a little before you dig yourself into an even deeper hole.
our ancestors came over here and established "modern" civilization???
The civilizations here and some of the cities surpassed anything in Europe at the time.
It seems to me that there were no great cities here the area called the United States. Now there were great cities in what is now Mexico which were dead and gone by the time the Pilgrims settled in America.
Am I wrong? :confused:
Quote from: Olias on October 03, 2011, 03:49:35 PM
Maybe you should research the subject a little before you dig yourself into an even deeper hole.
our ancestors came over here and established "modern" civilization???
The civilizations here and some of the cities surpassed anything in Europe at the time.
Okay, maybe a poor choice of words...perhaps I should have said established "western civilization".
and maybe, just maybe you should quit trying to find something wrong with what everybody says on here.....that always seems to be your point rather than the topic.
just an observation...
Quote from: The Troll on October 03, 2011, 03:58:00 PM
It seems to me that there were no great cities here the area called the United States. Now there were great cities in what is now Mexico which were dead and gone by the time the Pilgrims settled in America.
Am I wrong? :confused:
Yes. You're wrong. Sorry...
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 03, 2011, 04:55:09 PM
Okay, maybe a poor choice of words...perhaps I should have said established "western civilization".
and maybe, just maybe you should quit trying to find something wrong with what everybody says on here.....that always seems to be your point rather than the topic.
just an observation...
Why don't you just stuff it, Hank. It was more than the choice of words. It was the attitude that those words revealed and conveyed. An attitude that native Americans were savages ... inferior to "western culture."
Quote from: Olias on October 03, 2011, 05:01:55 PM
Yes. You're wrong. Sorry...
Just don't stop there. Just were were the great cities in what now is the United States and I don't think those building on the side of a mountain is what you would call great cities. :doh:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 03, 2011, 02:32:22 PM
You are correct, but technically ME is right, we DID give them land that we took custody over. Her point is valid.
i understand the fact that they (the american indian) got screwed when our ancestors came over here and established "modern" civilization.
Oh. Now we are playing the "technical" game.
Stealing something and giving it back is a valid point.
Hell, that's only when you want to spin it to try to save face for your political ally.
What do you mean by "modern"?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 03, 2011, 04:55:09 PM
Okay, maybe a poor choice of words...perhaps I should have said established "western civilization".
and maybe, just maybe you should quit trying to find something wrong with what everybody says on here.....that always seems to be your point rather than the topic.
just an observation...
When you are wrong, YOU ARE WRONG.
Just admit it.
When you say sloppy things, someone will call you on it.
Some of us live in worlds where that kind of conversation is dismissed summarily.
I have never understood the mentality that attempts to validate the invasion of a peoples home, their slaughter, (in some cases to near extinction), and ongoing oppression. It is a clear indication that they (whomever the invaders are) care for nothing else but their own beliefs.
The only reason the Cherokee people survived at all is because they were among the first of the native tribes to attempt to adopt the ways of the invaders. And yet, they were forced upon the trail of tears anyway.
Very few understand the ways of Native Americans. It's kind of like Harley Davidson; if I have to explain it to you, you wouldn't understand.
Ok, you guy's can pretend you didn't know what I meant all you want but what is happening right now to the Israelis is the same thing that happened to the Native Americans. It is their land, it was given to them, they improved on it and now they are having to fight to keep it. They are the victims not the Palistinians.
Quote from: followsthewolf on October 03, 2011, 07:19:59 PM
Oh. Now we are playing the "technical" game.
Stealing something and giving it back is a valid point.
Hell, that's only when you want to spin it to try to save face for your political ally.
What do you mean by "modern"?
You know damn well what I meant. Yes, in the case of the Native Americans it was their land in the first place but Israel is now the land of the Israelis and it is being taken away from them just like the land was taken away from the Native Americans. A little bit different circumstances, yes, but it all boils down to the same thing. One difference being that the Israelis were driven completely from their land to another land entirely not even given land within their own land and now the Palestinians are wanting that land too. I'm in no way justifying what happened to the Native Americans I'm just stating that the same thing is happening in Israel. . What I don't understand is how anyone who is, even in part, Native American can not sympathize with and understand what's going on over there.
"You know damn well what I meant."
Nope.
I didn't express any opinion about the Mideast.
You're deflecting because of sloppy language and inept analogies.
Quote from: Olias on October 03, 2011, 05:04:44 PM
Why don't you just stuff it, Hank. It was more than the choice of words. It was the attitude that those words revealed and conveyed. An attitude that native Americans were savages ... inferior to "western culture."
and YOU would be wrong, again. It had NOTHING, absolutly NOTHING to do with any attitude towards the Native Americans...NOTHING. YOU, my friend just missed the point. You took the whole thread into an entirley different direction.
We are talking about Isreal and the Jews............maybe it was not the best analogy for THIS crowd. But MOST people would NOT have tried to turn this into a "hate" thing against American Indians. Because I have zero hatred towards these folks. I do have a dislike for the Palestians who are inciting violence against Isreal and the Jewish people.
Quote from: Olias on October 03, 2011, 05:04:44 PM
An attitude that native Americans were savages ... inferior to "western culture."
Which, in this instance, is more than a little ironic when you think about it. :wink:
Quote from: followsthewolf on October 04, 2011, 05:54:53 AM
"You know damn well what I meant."
Nope.
I didn't express any opinion about the Mideast.
You're deflecting because of sloppy language and inept analogies.
I owe no one any kind of apology for what I said because it's the truth and since you expressed no opinion about the mid east then why jump my ass over something I said in reply to Troll anyway? He seems to think the Palestinian's are the victims here and they're not. I was just letting him know that what is happening to the Israeli's is, in comparison, almost the same thing that happened to the Native Americans. And FYI my hubby is almost 3/4 Native American so don't pull that I don't know what I'm talking about and wouldn't understand crap 'cause I do. We also have some close full blooded Native American friends who share our views on things so all Native Americans do not believe the same just as all whites and other cultures have different beliefs. Don't know why you're so touchy....you really need to get a grip.
Seems to me you are the one becoming all upset.
I made simple observations about your scrambled logic and inept analogies and you have become all defensive.
Didn't accuse you of anything except sloppy thinking.
You have supplied the rest.
Guilt will do that.
Quote from: followsthewolf on October 04, 2011, 03:39:22 PM
Seems to me you are the one becoming all upset.
I made simple observations about your scrambled logic and inept analogies and you have become all defensive.
Didn't accuse you of anything except sloppy thinking.
You have supplied the rest.
Guilt will do that.
Where do you come up with sloppy thinking? Why post a mile long post when it can be condensed? Everyone with half a brain knows it is a similarity and that the Native Americans were only moved to undesirable parts of their own land and not completely removed from it like the Israeli's were.
At any rate now Iran is putting all of us in a defensive position and we should remain in the offensive position or we're gonna be in big trouble. It would be real bad for us to show any weakness, including becoming divided among ourselves, because if we do we could very easily end up on the short end of the stick.
Nicely spun.
That is untrue as well. The Trail of Tears took Native Americans (cherokee, muscogee, seminole, and choctaw nations) from their own lands and marched them to Oklahoma. Hundreds of miles away from their traditional hunting and wintering lands in mississippi, Florida, Alabama, and N Carolina.
Quote from: Palehorse on October 04, 2011, 06:51:33 PM
That is untrue as well. The Trail of Tears took Native Americans (cherokee, muscogee, seminole, and choctaw nations) from their own lands and marched them to Oklahoma. Hundreds of miles away from their traditional hunting and wintering lands in mississippi, Florida, Alabama, and N Carolina.
I consider the entire contiguous US Native American lands. If you are thinking in terms of just where they were at the time being their land then, yes, they were disrupted in the same way as the Israelis were.
Quote from: me on October 04, 2011, 07:52:38 PM
I consider the entire contiguous US Native American lands. If you are thinking in terms of just where they were at the time being their land then, yes, they were disrupted in the same way as the Israelis were.
You really need to hit the books if you believe it was any other way.
The Native American Tribes (Nations is the white man's terminology) each had their historical lands from which their people had lived throughout history. Most would be considered somewhat nomadic in that they inhabited different lands dependent upon the movement of the wildlife upon which they lived, and the grounds within which they grew the things they needed in the growing seasons. Seasonal lands if you will.
The "boundaries" of these lands were the driver behind inter-tribal conflicts;especially in times of drought, or when the wildlife moved due to the depletion of their food.
Only when european and spanish invaders encroached upon their lives, forcing them from their traditional lands, did this system ever really fail them.
For decades the Black Hills of South Dakota were the tribal lands of the Cheyenne and Lakota Tribes, (one ousting the other for possession of them in 1776), until the european invaders discovered there was gold in the hills, thanks to Custer's expedition there in 1874. Then the government forced the Lakota off their lands, and into Western reservations in South Dakota; against their wishes. The lands they fought the Cheyenne for, and paid for with their lives, was snatched from them by the government so that it could be "resettled" by european men that were primarily miners looking for gold.
The plight and history of the Native American peoples of this land is far more insidious than that surrounding the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians; and in my mind to compare the two as being similar in any way shape or form, is nothing short of spitting in the face of my ancestors.
The middle-east has been a source of constant conflict going back to well before biblical times. When the Turks, Persians, Mongols, and vast array of conquering Empires began their quests for superiority over one another; and along the way took the fact that the area of the globe was the birth-place for a large number of the world's "religions" and utilized them as a propaganda tool with which to infuriate the peoples of these lands and consistently fuel the conflicts that have raged on ever since. It has never stopped, and by all reasonable accounts it never will.
The Israeli - Palestinian conflict is nothing more than a micro-cosm of this eternal strife, that attempts somewhat successfully to suck in the various nations of the world, and force them to choose sides in something that in reality is nothing more than a fight that says "my sky daddy is better than yours".
It's all nothing more than school yard bullying on steroids, with religion representing the steroids.
It is nothing like the largely successful, and ongoing, oppression and extermination of a race of people that the United States undertook under the guise of freedom and liberty. (For European man only has always been implied but never written or stated. Implied by the overt actions of its laws, legislation, and actions against the Native American Tribes.)
Even today, the poverty that is rampant amongst them is swept under a rug, and our government to this very day seeks to legislate their lives and freedoms; lives and freedoms that pre-date the moment in time wherein the idea of creating a free nation first germinated in some european mans brain.
Most Native Americans would take issue with anyone lumping them all together as one, in any way. Each Tribe had it's own lands; lands that together comprised the entirety of the North and South American Continent, but lands that were clearly identified as belonging to one tribe or another. There was no such term as "Native American". They were the Cheyenne, Lakota, Apache, Sioux, Choctaw, Seminole, . . .
Yes, I follow what you're saying but I am including all tribes when I say the entire contiguous US is Native American land. It's just a different way of looking at the same thing is all. Why do you have to make everything so complicated? Everyone knows there are different tribes which were in different areas and they were made to relocate that should not have to be spelled out to make a comment. Now if you want I can pick one tribe and write a book long post about how it compares to what's happening to the Israelis but that shouldn't be necessary.
And, like I stated before, if we don't keep the upper hand and stay on the offensive with this thing Iran will be moving in and all of us will be screwed so it will be a moot point then.
Quote from: me on October 04, 2011, 05:08:44 PM
It would be real bad for us to show any weakness, including becoming divided among ourselves, because if we do we could very easily end up on the short end of the stick.
LMAO! Iran can park their boats anywhere they'd like; we can sink their entire navy in under an hour. Short end of the stick indeed...cowering fools...
Indeed. My concerns are not that we couldn't blow those ships right out of the water. I know we can do that in a heartbeat.
What concerns me is what they might do just before we do so. If they're off the east coast a dirty bomb would not have as much potential for collateral damage as one that was set off on the west coast. (Think jet stream and prevailing winds) Still, one of those or a nuke. . .
It probably wouldn't be too hard for them to convince a boatload to be some "sucicide bombers" to man the ship and blow it up. The key point imo, do they have the capability to produce a "dirty" bomb.
The closest Iran could get to any U.S. territory is 12 nautical miles. The atomic bomb detonated over Hiroshima in WW II completely destroyed everything within one mile of the center of the explosion but it was an actual nuclear bomb rather than a dirty bomb and it was detonated at about 1,900 feet. A bomb detonated closer to the earth has significantly less covereage. The prevailing winds on the east coast a east/northeast...away from shore. About all Iran would accomplish with such a stunt is to blow themselves up so yeah, I'm still not too worried about it.
Quote from: Anne on October 05, 2011, 08:03:04 PM
It probably wouldn't be too hard for them to convince a boatload to be some "suicide bombers" to man the ship and blow it up. The key point IMO, do they have the capability to produce a "dirty" bomb.
When I was in the Chemical Corp. in the Army. We had an instructor from Chemical Headquarters give a class that when a low pressure was over Pennsylvania or a high pressure over Canada a Russian submarine could just surface the spray nozzles above the water and spread chemical gas and agent all over the East coast and delivered by the wind, killing millions on the East coast. :dead: :dead: :dead:
They even had a film showing how the Russians could deliver it. But if the Iranians gassed or nuked us, they would glow for 500 years or the country would not have one person or animal or bug living if we used our chemicals. All that would be left would be green plants. :o :yes:
They sure would reap the winds of hell. :yes: :yes:
Quote from: The Troll on October 06, 2011, 04:45:24 PM
When I was in the Chemical Corp. in the Army. We had an instructor from Chemical Headquarters give a class that when a low pressure was over Pennsylvania or a high pressure over Canada a Russian submarine could just surface the spray nozzles above the water and spread chemical gas and agent all over the East coast and delivered by the wind, killing millions on the East coast. :dead: :dead: :dead:
They even had a film showing how the Russians could deliver it. But if the Iranians gassed or nuked us, they would glow for 500 years or the country would not have one person or animal or bug living if we used our chemicals. All that would be left would be green plants. :o :yes:
They sure would reap the winds of hell. :yes: :yes:
Not if a bunch of panty waste liberals are in charge......they (the panty waste liberals) might run and tell the UN to stop playing nice with them, and boycott Iranian Gas...
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 06, 2011, 04:48:05 PM
Not if a bunch of panty waste liberals are in charge......they (the panty waste liberals) might run and tell the UN to stop playing nice with them, and boycott Iranian Gas...
Big words from a guy who was too busy doing nothing to serve his country.
Iran has plenty of nuclear power plants, and with them the radioactive wastes and byproducts. They've also proven over the last 3 or so decades that they are capable of hiding their nuclear activities and so are not to be trusted.
My guess is that if they do indeed send ships, at least one of them is going to be carrying some type of dirty bomb or nuclear waste materials at a minimum.
Of course, should we choose to position an aircraft carrier at the territorial waters line, I'm betting they'll tuck tail and run anyway. . .Unless they're armed for Jihad. . .
Quote. . .Iran recently announced that it would increase production of uranium enriched to a higher level than normally needed for reactor fuel and to do so at the hardened underground Fordow facility near the holy city of Qom. That has added to international worries because the path to making weapons grade uranium from higher enriched material is faster and easier than from the low-enriched uranium it has been producing for more than five years at its Natanz facility. . .
Quote from: Exterminator on October 06, 2011, 05:58:00 PM
Big words from a guy who was too busy doing nothing to serve his country.
and how many wars did you fight in?
Quote from: Exterminator on October 06, 2011, 05:58:00 PM
Big words from a guy who was too busy doing nothing to serve his country.
Big words from a guy who only served his country for, what was it, 3yrs in peace time. You act like you think you deserve a medal or something. You probably didn't even leave the states.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 06, 2011, 04:48:05 PM
Not if a bunch of panty waste liberals are in charge......they (the panty waste liberals) might run and tell the UN to stop playing nice with them, and boycott Iranian Gas...
Pantie waist, not panty waste literals? Wasn't it Obama who sent the Seals to kill bin laden. Wasn't it Obama who order the drone strikes to kill leaders of the Taliban. Was it Obama who has almost killed all of the Al-Qaeda leaders.
Once again I will say, Hawk you are absolutely full of bull shit and beating a dead horse. :deadhorse: :jester:
Quote from: The Troll on October 06, 2011, 11:13:34 PM
Pantie waist, not panty waste literals? Wasn't it Obama who sent the Seals to kill bin laden. Wasn't it Obama who order the drone strikes to kill leaders of the Taliban. Was it Obama who has almost killed all of the Al-Qaeda leaders.
Once again I will say, Hawk you are absolutely full of bull shit and beating a dead horse. :deadhorse: :jester:
WAIT, wasn't it Obama who said he was going to bring our troops HOME?..............it is now 10-years and Obamas still will not have them out until 2014...and now they are talking it may take even longer..........He is full of sh!t, and made MORE campaign promises he never planned on keeping.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 06, 2011, 09:43:30 PM
and how many wars did you fight in?
So you're saying that only people who serve during wartime count?
Quote from: me on October 06, 2011, 11:01:15 PM
Big words from a guy who only served his country for, what was it, 3yrs in peace time. You act like you think you deserve a medal or something. You probably didn't even leave the states.
I served as a Military Policeman in the 3rd Armored Division in Germany. Our job was to insure the communists were stopped if they tried to come through the Fulda gap to invade Western Europe. I also spent a good deal of my time in the service protecting U.S. installations from terrorists long before your redneck ass even knew they existed.
Quote from: Exterminator on October 07, 2011, 11:55:54 AM
I served as a Military Policeman in the 3rd Armored Division in Germany. Our job was to insure the communists were stopped if they tried to come through the Fulda gap to invade Western Europe. I also spent a good deal of my time in the service protecting U.S. installations from terrorists long before your redneck ass even knew they existed.
News flash for the uppity dude......family members stationed overseas.......always has been some sort of terrorism in England and Germany we just don't hear about all of it here. :razz:
Quote from: Exterminator on October 07, 2011, 11:52:39 AM
So you're saying that only people who serve during wartime count?
I'm saying JUST because YOU served means YOUR shit no longer stinks and those who did not serve are not much better Americans.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 07, 2011, 12:13:13 PM
I'm saying JUST because YOU served means YOUR shit no longer stinks and those who did not serve are not much better Americans.
I'm just saying that your non-serving ass has a hell of a lot of nerve calling someone a panty-waist because they believe war should be the last option, not the first.
Quote from: Exterminator on October 07, 2011, 12:16:06 PM
I'm just saying that your non-serving ass has a hell of a lot of nerve calling someone a panty-waist because they believe war should be the last option, not the first.
NO, you don't have a clue to what I was even talking about.......Troll said if Iranians gassed or nuked us, they would glow for 500 years...and I don't think MOST liberals have the gall to stand up and do anything........but, sing kumbaya......
frankly I don't care what you think about my nonpserving ass....when are you going to realize this.
I guess I can just quit responding to anything you post....because I waste WAY too much time with you. We have known each other for years on here and YOU have done nothing but be a prick.
For people like you and other who could have gave part of their lives working for peanuts for our country and didn't SUCK. :suck: :suck: No need to say any thing more. :rolleyes: