Iran Coming To US Shoreline

[Palehorse]

That is untrue as well. The Trail of Tears took Native Americans (cherokee, muscogee, seminole, and choctaw nations) from their own lands and marched them to Oklahoma. Hundreds of miles away from their traditional hunting and wintering lands in mississippi, Florida, Alabama, and N Carolina.

[me]

That is untrue as well. The Trail of Tears took Native Americans (cherokee, muscogee, seminole, and choctaw nations) from their own lands and marched them to Oklahoma. Hundreds of miles away from their traditional hunting and wintering lands in mississippi, Florida, Alabama, and N Carolina.

I consider the entire contiguous US Native American lands.  If you are thinking in terms of just where they were at the time being their land then, yes, they were disrupted in the same way as the Israelis were.

[Palehorse]

I consider the entire contiguous US Native American lands.  If you are thinking in terms of just where they were at the time being their land then, yes, they were disrupted in the same way as the Israelis were.

You really need to hit the books if you believe it was any other way.

The Native American Tribes (Nations is the white man's terminology) each had their historical lands from which their people had lived throughout history. Most would be considered somewhat nomadic in that they inhabited different lands dependent upon the movement of the wildlife upon which they lived, and the grounds within which they grew the things they needed in the growing seasons. Seasonal lands if you will.

The "boundaries" of these lands were the driver behind inter-tribal conflicts;especially in times of drought, or when the wildlife moved due to the depletion of their food.

Only when european and spanish invaders encroached upon their lives, forcing them from their traditional lands, did this system ever really fail them.

For decades the Black Hills of South Dakota were the tribal lands of the Cheyenne and Lakota Tribes, (one ousting the other for possession of them in 1776), until the european invaders discovered there was gold in the hills, thanks to Custer's expedition there in 1874. Then the government forced the Lakota off their lands, and into Western reservations in South Dakota; against their wishes. The lands they fought the Cheyenne for, and paid for with their lives, was snatched from them by the government so that it could be "resettled" by european men that were primarily miners looking for gold.

The plight and history of the Native American peoples of this land is far more insidious than that surrounding the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians; and in my mind to compare the two as being similar in any way shape or form, is nothing short of spitting in the face of my ancestors.

The middle-east has been a source of constant conflict going back to well before biblical times. When the Turks, Persians, Mongols, and vast array of conquering Empires began their quests for superiority over one another; and along the way took the fact that the area of the globe was the birth-place for a large number of the world's "religions" and utilized them as a propaganda tool with which to infuriate the peoples of these lands and consistently fuel the conflicts that have raged on ever since. It has never stopped, and by all reasonable accounts it never will.

The Israeli - Palestinian conflict is nothing more than a micro-cosm of this eternal strife, that attempts somewhat successfully to suck in the various nations of the world, and force them to choose sides in something that in reality is nothing more than a fight that says "my sky daddy is better than yours".

It's all nothing more than school yard bullying on steroids, with religion representing the steroids.

It is nothing like the largely successful, and ongoing, oppression and extermination of a race of people that the United States undertook under the guise of freedom and liberty. (For European man only has always been implied but never written or stated. Implied by the overt actions of its laws, legislation, and actions against the Native American Tribes.)

Even today, the poverty that is rampant amongst them is swept under a rug, and our government to this very day seeks to legislate their lives and freedoms; lives and freedoms that pre-date the moment in time wherein the idea of creating a free nation first germinated in some european mans brain.

Most Native Americans would take issue with anyone lumping them all together as one, in any way. Each Tribe had it's own lands; lands that together comprised the entirety of the North and South American Continent, but lands that were clearly identified as belonging to one tribe or another. There was no such term as "Native American". They were the Cheyenne, Lakota, Apache, Sioux, Choctaw, Seminole, . . .

[me]

Yes, I follow what you're saying but I am including all tribes when I say the entire contiguous US is Native American land.  It's just a different way of looking at the same thing is all.  Why do you have to make everything so complicated?  Everyone knows there are different tribes which were in different areas and they were made to relocate that should not have to be spelled out to make a comment.  Now if you want I can pick one tribe and write a book long post about how it compares to what's happening to the Israelis but that shouldn't be necessary. 

And, like I stated before, if we don't keep the upper hand and stay on the offensive with this thing Iran will be moving in and all of us will be screwed so it will be a moot point then.

[Exterminator]

It would be real bad for us to show any weakness, including becoming divided among ourselves, because if we do we could very easily end up on the short end of the stick.

LMAO!  Iran can park their boats anywhere they'd like; we can sink their entire navy in under an hour.  Short end of the stick indeed...cowering fools...

[Palehorse]

Indeed. My concerns are not that we couldn't blow those ships right out of the water. I know we can do that in a heartbeat.

What concerns me is what they might do just before we do so. If they're off the east coast a dirty bomb would not have as much potential for collateral damage as one that was set off on the west coast. (Think jet stream and prevailing winds) Still, one of those or a nuke. . .

[Anne]

It probably wouldn't be too hard for them to convince a boatload to be some "sucicide bombers" to man the ship and blow it up. The key point imo, do they have the capability to produce a "dirty" bomb.

[Exterminator]

The closest Iran could get to any U.S. territory is 12 nautical miles.  The atomic bomb detonated over Hiroshima in WW II completely destroyed everything within one mile of the center of the explosion but it was an actual nuclear bomb rather than a dirty bomb and it was detonated at about 1,900 feet.  A bomb detonated closer to the earth has significantly less covereage.  The prevailing winds on the east coast a east/northeast...away from shore.  About all Iran would accomplish with such a stunt is to blow themselves up so yeah, I'm still not too worried about it.

[The Troll]

It probably wouldn't be too hard for them to convince a boatload to be some "suicide bombers" to man the ship and blow it up. The key point IMO, do they have the capability to produce a "dirty" bomb.

  When I was in the Chemical Corp. in the Army.  We had an instructor from Chemical Headquarters give a class that when a low pressure was over Pennsylvania or a high pressure over Canada a Russian submarine could just surface the spray nozzles above the water and spread chemical gas and agent all over the East coast and delivered by the wind, killing millions on the East coast.     

  They even had a film showing how the Russians could deliver it.  But if the Iranians gassed or nuked us, they would glow for 500 years or the country would not have one person or animal or bug living if we used our chemicals.  All that would be left would be green plants.    

  They sure would reap the winds of hell.   

[Henry Hawk]

  When I was in the Chemical Corp. in the Army.  We had an instructor from Chemical Headquarters give a class that when a low pressure was over Pennsylvania or a high pressure over Canada a Russian submarine could just surface the spray nozzles above the water and spread chemical gas and agent all over the East coast and delivered by the wind, killing millions on the East coast.     

  They even had a film showing how the Russians could deliver it.  But if the Iranians gassed or nuked us, they would glow for 500 years or the country would not have one person or animal or bug living if we used our chemicals.  All that would be left would be green plants.    

  They sure would reap the winds of hell.   

Not if a bunch of panty waste liberals are in charge......they (the panty waste liberals) might run and tell the UN to stop playing nice with them, and boycott Iranian Gas...

[Exterminator]

Not if a bunch of panty waste liberals are in charge......they (the panty waste liberals) might run and tell the UN to stop playing nice with them, and boycott Iranian Gas...

Big words from a guy who was too busy doing nothing to serve his country.

[Palehorse]

Iran has plenty of nuclear power plants, and with them the radioactive wastes and byproducts. They've also proven over the last 3 or so decades that they are capable of hiding their nuclear activities and so are not to be trusted.

My guess is that if they do indeed send ships, at least one of them is going to be carrying some type of dirty bomb or nuclear waste materials at a minimum.

Of course, should we choose to position an aircraft carrier at the territorial waters line, I'm betting they'll tuck tail and run anyway. . .Unless they're armed for Jihad. . .

. . .Iran recently announced that it would increase production of uranium enriched to a higher level than normally needed for reactor fuel and to do so at the hardened underground Fordow facility near the holy city of Qom. That has added to international worries because the path to making weapons grade uranium from higher enriched material is faster and easier than from the low-enriched uranium it has been producing for more than five years at its Natanz facility. . .

[Henry Hawk]

Big words from a guy who was too busy doing nothing to serve his country.

and how many wars did you fight in?

[me]

Big words from a guy who was too busy doing nothing to serve his country.

Big words from a guy who only served his country for, what was it, 3yrs in peace time.  You act like you think you deserve a medal or something.  You probably didn't even leave the states.

[The Troll]

Not if a bunch of panty waste liberals are in charge......they (the panty waste liberals) might run and tell the UN to stop playing nice with them, and boycott Iranian Gas...

  Pantie waist, not panty waste literals?  Wasn't it Obama who sent the Seals to kill bin laden.  Wasn't it Obama who order the drone strikes to kill leaders of the Taliban.  Was it Obama who has almost killed all of the Al-Qaeda leaders.

  Once again I will say, Hawk you are absolutely full of bull shit and beating a dead horse.