Iran Coming To US Shoreline

[Henry Hawk]

Maybe you should research the subject a little before you dig yourself into an even deeper hole.

our ancestors came over here and established "modern" civilization???

The civilizations here and some of the cities surpassed anything in Europe at the time.

Okay, maybe a poor choice of words...perhaps I should have said established "western civilization".

and maybe, just maybe you should quit trying to find something wrong with what everybody says on here.....that always seems to be your point rather than the topic.

just an observation...

[Bo D]

  It seems to me that there were no great cities here the area called the United States.  Now there were great cities in what is now Mexico which were dead and gone by the time the Pilgrims settled in America. 

  Am I wrong?   

Yes. You're wrong. Sorry...

[Bo D]

Okay, maybe a poor choice of words...perhaps I should have said established "western civilization".

and maybe, just maybe you should quit trying to find something wrong with what everybody says on here.....that always seems to be your point rather than the topic.

just an observation...

Why don't you just stuff it, Hank. It was more than the choice of words. It was the attitude that those words revealed and conveyed. An attitude that native Americans were savages ... inferior to "western culture."

[The Troll]

Yes. You're wrong. Sorry...

  Just don't stop there.  Just were were the great cities in what now is the United States and I don't think those building on the side of a mountain is what you would call great cities. 

[followsthewolf]

You are correct, but technically ME is right, we DID give them land that we took custody over.  Her point is valid. 

i understand the fact that they (the american indian) got screwed when our ancestors came over here and established "modern" civilization.

Oh. Now we are playing the "technical" game.

Stealing something and giving it back is a valid point.

Hell, that's only when you want to spin it to try to save face for your political ally.

What do you mean by "modern"?

[followsthewolf]

Okay, maybe a poor choice of words...perhaps I should have said established "western civilization".

and maybe, just maybe you should quit trying to find something wrong with what everybody says on here.....that always seems to be your point rather than the topic.

just an observation...

When you are wrong, YOU ARE WRONG.

Just admit it.

When you say sloppy things, someone will call you on it.

Some of us live in worlds where that kind of conversation is dismissed summarily.

[Palehorse]

I have never understood the mentality that attempts to validate the invasion of a peoples home, their slaughter, (in some cases to near extinction), and ongoing oppression. It is a clear indication that they (whomever the invaders are) care for nothing else but their own beliefs.

The only reason the Cherokee people survived at all is because they were among the first of the native tribes to attempt to adopt the ways of the invaders. And yet, they were forced upon the trail of tears anyway.

Very few understand the ways of Native Americans. It's kind of like Harley Davidson; if I have to explain it to you, you wouldn't understand.

[me]

Ok, you guy's can pretend you didn't know what I meant all you want but what is happening right now to the Israelis is the same thing that happened to the Native Americans.  It is their land, it was given to them, they improved on it and now they are having to fight to keep it.  They are the victims not the Palistinians.

Oh. Now we are playing the "technical" game.

Stealing something and giving it back is a valid point.

Hell, that's only when you want to spin it to try to save face for your political ally.

What do you mean by "modern"?

You know damn well what I meant.  Yes, in the case of the Native Americans it was their land in the first place but Israel is now the land of the Israelis and it is being taken away from them just like the land was taken away from the Native Americans.  A little bit different circumstances, yes, but it all boils down to the same thing. One difference being that the Israelis were driven completely from their land to another land entirely not even given land within their own land and now the Palestinians are wanting that land too. I'm in no way justifying what happened to the Native Americans I'm just stating that the same thing is happening in Israel. .                                                                                 What I don't understand is how anyone who is, even in part, Native American can not sympathize with and understand what's going on over there.                                                                                                       

[followsthewolf]

"You know damn well what I meant."

Nope.


I didn't express any opinion about the Mideast.

You're deflecting because of sloppy language and inept analogies.

[Henry Hawk]

Why don't you just stuff it, Hank. It was more than the choice of words. It was the attitude that those words revealed and conveyed. An attitude that native Americans were savages ... inferior to "western culture."

and YOU would be wrong, again.  It had NOTHING, absolutly NOTHING to do with any attitude towards the Native Americans...NOTHING.  YOU, my friend just missed the point.  You took the whole thread into an entirley different direction.

We are talking about Isreal and the Jews............maybe it was not the best analogy for THIS crowd.  But MOST people would NOT have tried to turn this into a "hate" thing against American Indians.  Because I have zero hatred towards these folks.  I do have a dislike for the Palestians who are inciting violence against Isreal and the Jewish people.

[Exterminator]

An attitude that native Americans were savages ... inferior to "western culture."

Which, in this instance, is more than a little ironic when you think about it.   

[me]

"You know damn well what I meant."

Nope.


I didn't express any opinion about the Mideast.

You're deflecting because of sloppy language and inept analogies.

I owe no one any kind of apology for what I said because it's the truth and since you expressed no opinion about the mid east then why jump my ass over something I said in reply to Troll anyway?  He seems to think the Palestinian's are the victims here and they're not.  I was just letting him know that what is happening to the Israeli's is, in comparison, almost the same thing that happened to the Native Americans.  And FYI my hubby is almost 3/4 Native American so don't pull that I don't know what I'm talking about and wouldn't understand crap 'cause I do.  We also have some close full blooded Native American friends who share our views on things so all Native Americans do not believe the same just as all whites and other cultures have different beliefs.  Don't know why you're so touchy....you really need to get a grip.

[followsthewolf]

Seems to me you are the one becoming all upset.

I made simple observations about your scrambled logic and inept analogies and you have become all defensive.

Didn't accuse you of anything except sloppy thinking.

You have supplied the rest.

Guilt will do that.

[me]

Seems to me you are the one becoming all upset.

I made simple observations about your scrambled logic and inept analogies and you have become all defensive.

Didn't accuse you of anything except sloppy thinking.

You have supplied the rest.

Guilt will do that.

Where do you come up with sloppy thinking?  Why post a mile long post when it can be condensed?  Everyone with half a brain knows it is a similarity and that the Native Americans were only moved to undesirable parts of their own land and not completely removed from it like the Israeli's were. 

At any rate now Iran is putting all of us in a defensive position and we should remain in the offensive position or we're gonna be in big trouble.  It would be real bad for us to show any weakness, including becoming divided among ourselves, because if we do we could very easily end up on the short end of the stick.

[followsthewolf]

Nicely spun.