Obama Says You Don't Raise Taxes In A Recession .....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aufAtuTwKlE&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aufAtuTwKlE&feature=player_embedded)
Yet, his new "jobs plan" includes $1.5 trillion in new taxes....
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OBAMA_DEFICITS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-09-18-23-33-29 (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OBAMA_DEFICITS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-09-18-23-33-29)
and to boot....
New government fees pepper Obama deficit plan More than $130B in new government fees
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/New-government-fees-pepper-apf-4120540659.html?x=0&.v=2 (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/New-government-fees-pepper-apf-4120540659.html?x=0&.v=2)
That would explain why he said nothing during his speech. Some more of that change the name of something that sounds bad, unacceptable, to something else that they, the liberals, think makes it sound acceptable. Guess what, a government fee is a tax and will be hitting the low, middle, and high income families harder than it will hit the "rich".
The core of the president's plan totals just over $2 trillion in deficit reduction over 10 years. It would let Bush-era tax cuts for upper income earners expire, limit deductions for wealthier filers and close loopholes and end some corporate tax breaks. It also would cut $580 billion from mandatory programs, including $248 billion from Medicare. It also targets subsidies to farmers and benefits programs for federal employees.
-$580 billion in cuts in mandatory benefit programs, including $248 billion in Medicare and $72 billion in Medicaid and other health programs. Other mandatory benefit programs include farm subsidies and federal employee benefits. Administration officials said 90 percent of the $248 billion in 10-year Medicare cuts would be squeezed from service providers. The plan does shift some additional costs to beneficiaries, but those changes would not start until 2017
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OBAMA_DEFICITS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-09-18-23-33-29
It's not just millionaires who'd pay more under President Barack Obama's latest plan to combat the deficit.
Air travelers, federal workers, military retirees, wealthier Medicare beneficiaries and people taking out new mortgages are among those who would pay more than $130 billion in government revenues raised through new or increased fees.
Airline passengers would see their federal security fees double from $5 to $10 for a nonstop round-trip flight and triple to $15 by 2017, raising $25 billion over the coming decade. Federal workers would face an additional 1.2 percentage point deduction from their paychecks to contribute $21 billion more for their pensions over the same period. Military retirees would pay a $200 fee upon turning 65 to have the government pay their out-of-pocket Medicare expenses. They'd also pay more for non-generic prescription drugs.
Many of Obama's proposals are retreads from earlier budget proposals, including those submitted by his predecessors. Most have been rejected year after year. Some ideas, like requiring wealthier veterans to pay more for their health care, stir up opposition from powerful interest groups. Others, like the bigger security fee for flyers, seem too close to a ticket tax increase.
But unlike Obama's tax proposals, the new fees aren't necessarily dead on arrival with Republicans. A group led by Vice President Joe Biden had tentatively agreed to increase the airline security fee before talks between the White House and Congress collapsed in June. The Biden-led group was also weighing an increase in pension contributions by federal workers, an idea that has riled organized labor and other Democratic-friendly interest groups.
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"Why (would) the administration ... propose a Social Security payroll tax holiday in its jobs bill, but simultaneously suggest a tax increase for middle-class federal workers?" asked Joseph Beaudoin, president of the National Active and Retired Federal Employees Association.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/New-government-fees-pepper-apf-4120540659.html?x=0&.v=2
Obama's plans as of today was long over due. The rich has gotten so rich at the expense of the middle class. :yes:
I don't know how "ME" and Hawk can defend the super rich that has a $4 million yachts and 6 or 7 multimillion dollar homes and Private million dollar jets can pay their fair share of taxes. They got rich on the backs of the American people it is time for them to pay their taxes. :trustme:
Quote from: The Troll on September 19, 2011, 11:35:35 PM
it is time for them to pay their taxes. :trustme:
AND HOW IT THIS GOING TO STIMULATE THE ECONOMY OR CREATE JOBS?........ISN'T that WHAT WE NEED, RIGHT NOW?
I think it has more to do with control than anything with the liberals......they want to control EVERYBODY....THAT sums it all up.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 20, 2011, 08:11:40 AM
AND HOW IT THIS GOING TO STIMULATE THE ECONOMY OR CREATE JOBS?........ISN'T that WHAT WE NEED, RIGHT NOW?
I think it has more to do with control than anything with the liberals......they want to control EVERYBODY....THAT sums it all up.
I don't know about creating jobs with this bill, but it sure will help with the deficit. We are going to have to go after the jobs we lost though free trade which George W. got passed and all of the jobs that the corporations and business outsourced. :doh: You know the free treaties like NAFTA, WTO and so on and the so called free trade treaties that Romney wants to pass.
Let us next go after the free trade treaties and the unfair tariffs that the other countries got against us. Let us have the same tariff on their products as they have on ours. Just think of the money we could collect on the China tariff. We get 36% tariff on China's products instead of 2 1/2%. If we put that money to towards Medicare and Medicade the problem would be solved. Or just think that Korea has a 400% tariff against American cars and they sold over 955 thousand cars here in the USA. Seems fair to me, but too hard for the politicians to see especially the Tea/Republican Party. :knife:
Quote from: The Troll on September 20, 2011, 08:53:48 AM
I don't know about creating jobs with this bill, but it sure will help with the deficit.
It won't do a damn thing for the deficit if no one is working and can't buy the products from the huge corporations which will cease to exist. Guess ya'll will be happy then though 'cause the bad corporations will be gone and everyone will be equally poor. Damn, just think we'll all be living free with great health care and the government taking care of us from cradle to grave and having whatever the government wants us to have 'cause we'll all be working for them. What a life.... :rolleyes:
Quote from: The Troll on September 20, 2011, 08:53:48 AM
I don't know about creating jobs with this bill, but it sure will help with the deficit.
Troll you damn well if we do not create jobs the deficit will not go down.....ALL the gov knows how to do is SPEND!!...THE MORE THE GET THE MORE THEY SPEND.
The private sector HAS to create MORE jobs, to create MORE federal taxes....THAT is the ONLY way to fix this........and YOU know it.
Why do you defend stupidity?
Quote from: The Troll on September 20, 2011, 08:53:48 AM
I don't know about creating jobs with this bill, but it sure will help with the deficit.
Did you read what you just wrote?........THIS is Obama's "JOB CREATION" Bill and you don't know about it creating jobs, and that's okay? and you think it will help the deficit?.....even though they are planning on spending trillions of $$.
This is so easy to read and see it will do nothing but put us deeper into a recession, if not a depression........and YOU are already putting blame on tea party people who are against....SPENDING MORE TAX DOLLARS WE DO NOT HAVE!..
Troll, I know you are a good person and a reasonable man, but this POTUS and his admin is NOT reasonable or are the doing what is best for this country....but your blinders are keeping you from seeing the truth.....you have so much hatred, you are no longer being reasonable...at least that is the way I see it.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 20, 2011, 09:56:46 AM
Did you read what you just wrote?........THIS is Obama's "JOB CREATION" Bill and you don't know about it creating jobs, and that's okay? and you think it will help the deficit?.....even though they are planning on spending trillions of $$.
This is so easy to read and see it will do nothing but put us deeper into a recession, if not a depression........and YOU are already putting blame on tea party people who are against....SPENDING MORE TAX DOLLARS WE DO NOT HAVE!..
Troll, I know you are a good person and a reasonable man, but this POTUS and his admin is NOT reasonable or are the doing what is best for this country....but your blinders are keeping you from seeing the truth.....you have so much hatred, you are no longer being reasonable...at least that is the way I see it.
I know I am wasting my time. George W. gave the super rich one hell of a tax cut. They did not produce one job and we lost jobs when they out sourced our jobs, our machines and our patents. They developed new products here, take that off their taxes and ship the production over seas.
For some reason you or "ME" can't see it. Maybe you have been blinded by all of the money the super rich has. Who knows what' your problem are. It's really bad you can wake up and smell the rot in this country and it come from the super corporations and the super rich. Keep dreaming, because it is really a nightmare. :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes:
Quote from: The Troll on September 20, 2011, 04:33:00 PM
I know I am wasting my time. George W. gave the super rich one hell of a tax cut. They did not produce one job and we lost jobs when they out sourced our jobs, our machines and our patents. They developed new products here, take that off their taxes and ship the production over seas.
For some reason you or "ME" can't see it. Maybe you have been blinded by all of the money the super rich has. Who knows what' your problem are. It's really bad you can wake up and smell the rot in this country and it come from the super corporations and the super rich. Keep dreaming, because it is really a nightmare. :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes:
Gee since Bush had a 4% unemployment rate and the highest was 5% after 9/11 we may have had 0% unemployment if it hadn't been for our outsourced jobs. Of course you realize jobs were being outsourced as early as the early 80's don't you? Probably not 'cause you'd have to admit Bush isn't solely responsible.
Quote from: me on September 20, 2011, 06:25:36 PM
Gee since Bush had a 4% unemployment rate and the highest was 5% after 9/11 we may have had 0% unemployment if it hadn't been for our outsourced jobs. Of course you realize jobs were being outsourced as early as the early 80's don't you? Probably not 'cause you'd have to admit Bush isn't solely responsible.
I hear you 'ME", but George W. and only George W. passing a law deregulating the law which stop the banks and the stock market from gambling. You see what happen and it has sure hurt home buyers and cause the government to bail out these thieves. With all of this and George W. out sourcing jobs he and he alone with the Tea/Republicans has cause a degrading of American life and you voted for him twice.
What more can say, you are totally wrong. What's so bad you're blind to it and it come from your Republican raising. I'll bet your dad hated Roosevelt and scream about it in front of you kids and it is ingrained in your soul. :rolleyes: :razz:
Quote from: The Troll on September 20, 2011, 07:01:13 PM
I hear you 'ME", but George W. and only George W. passing a law deregulating the law which stop the banks and the stock market from gambling. You see what happen and it has sure hurt home buyers and cause the government to bail out these thieves. With all of this and George W. out sourcing jobs he and he alone with the Tea/Republicans has cause a degrading of American life and you voted for him twice.
What more can say, you are totally wrong. What's so bad you're blind to it and it come from your Republican raising. I'll bet your dad hated Roosevelt and scream about it in front of you kids and it is ingrained in your soul. :rolleyes: :razz:
Troll you have no idea what you're talking about. What Bush did in no way hurt the home buyer those idiot Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac loans implemented during the Clinton administration is what hurt the home buyer.
Quote from: me on September 20, 2011, 09:09:45 PM
Troll you have no idea what you're talking about. What Bush did in no way hurt the home buyer those idiot Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac loans implemented during the Clinton administration is what hurt the home buyer.
If George W. is innocent of this, why did he and the Republican Party deregulate the banks and the stock markets so the could gamble with some one else's money. Bundling bad loans and selling a product they knew was bad. They buy insurance on the bad bundles they knew would default.
There were a bunch of Super Rich Republican that got richer on this fraud and you have the guts to defend the dumbest, most stupid and corrupt presidents America has ever had. Like I said you voted for him twice and I guess you're still trying to get people to forget it. Fat chance. :azz:
Quote from: The Troll on September 21, 2011, 12:00:08 AM
If George W. is innocent of this, why did he and the Republican Party deregulate the banks and the stock markets so the could gamble with some one else's money. Bundling bad loans and selling a product they knew was bad. They buy insurance on the bad bundles they knew would default.
There were a bunch of Super Rich Republican that got richer on this fraud and you have the guts to defend the dumbest, most stupid and corrupt presidents America has ever had. Like I said you voted for him twice and I guess you're still trying to get people to forget it. Fat chance. :azz:
Like I said you have no clue whatsoever.
Quote from: me on September 21, 2011, 03:21:47 AM
Like I said you have no clue whatsoever.
Just one more time Sweet Pea. Just what clue that I don't understand. Please tell something that make sense. Not a bunch of Teabagger garbage. Dim Bulb. :rolleyes: :razz:
FLASHBACK - June 17, 2010.....
Obama, Biden declare 'Recovery Summer'
David Axelrod, a senior adviser to the president, said: "This summer will be the most active Recovery Act season yet, with thousands of highly-visible road, bridge, water and other infrastructure projects breaking ground across the country, giving the American people a first-hand look at the Recovery Act in their own backyards and making it crystal clear what the cost would have been of doing nothing."
On Monday, Biden will travel to Midland, Mich., for the groundbreaking of the new Dow Kokam advanced battery manufacturing facility – a project made possible by a $161 million Recovery Act advanced battery grant awarded last year. In addition to creating 1,000 construction jobs, Dow says the project will eventually employ 800 permanent manufacturing workers.
Axelrod continued: "In the face of the greatest economic crisis since the Great Depression, Republicans in Congress chose to play politics with economic recovery and declared the Recovery Act a failure before it even began. They made a cynical bet that if the President fails, they win. Democrats chose to act by tackling the crisis head-on. Just over a year later, the Recovery Act is putting millions of Americans to work and helping the economy grow again. But our work is far from over:"
Kevin Smith, a spokesman for House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio), responded: "The president's trillion-dollar 'stimulus' has failed to meet his most basic promises on job creation, and Axelrod knows that. We've lost 3 million jobs since the 'stimulus' was enacted. Yet another desperate sales pitch about the virtues of massive government spending and piling up more debt on our kids and grandkids isn't going to fool anyone."
The vice president on Thursday will present Obama with a report laying out a spike in stimulus activity this summer, and how it will contribute to a steady climb to a total of 3.5 million Recovery Act jobs by the end of the year.
Highlights:
"Transportation: There will be six times as many highway projects underway in July 2010 as in July 2009 – projects will surge from 1,750 last summer to over 10,000 this summer. And while last summer we improved about 9,000 miles of highway, this summer we'll improve over 30,000 miles – that's the equivalent of ten cross-country road trips on improved highways.
"Clean and Drinking Water: This summer over 3,000 clean and drinking water projects will have started versus just over 100 last summer – that's nearly 30 times as many.
Home Weatherization: This summer, we'll weatherize 82,000 homes versus 3,000 last summer – that's 27 times as many homes this summer as last.
"National Parks: This July, we'll have nearly 800 projects underway at our national parks versus just over 100 last July – that's 8 times as many this summer.
Five Cabinet Members and other senior officials will hold kickoff events across the country Thursday and Friday, the first of over two dozen site visits and groundbreakings administration officials will participate in across the country in the weeks ahead. The plans:
"USDA – Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack -- On Friday, June 18, Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack will visit Annapolis, MD and highlight how American Recovery and Reinvestment Act investments in Maryland and throughout the country are allowing people in thousands of rural communities to access clean and safe water. Through the Recovery Act, USDA Rural Development received $3.6 billion in funding, which is helping to rebuild and revitalize drinking water, sanitary sewer, solid waste and storm drainage systems throughout rural America.
"DOL – Secretary of Labor Hilda Solis and Auto Communities Director Ed Montgomery
U.S. Secretary of Labor Hilda L. Solis will travel to Warren, MI on Thursday, June 17. She will be joined by Executive Director of the White House Council on Automotive Communities and Workers Dr. Ed Montgomery. During the visit, the secretary and Montgomery will tour Macomb Community College's engineering and advanced technology training programs. The secretary also will make an important announcement related to the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act and the creation of jobs across the state of Michigan.
"GSA – General Services Administrator Martha Johnson -- Administrator of General Services Martha Johnson will join Pennsylvania workers this Thursday, June 17, at the construction site of the new energy, efficient solar roof of the Philadelphia Veterans Affairs Regional Office & Insurance Center to highlight GSA's 218 active federal building construction projects across the nation. This summer, GSA Recovery Act construction projects are quadrupling and workers across the country are installing solar power arrays at dozens of Federal buildings nationwide, dramatically increasing GSA's solar power generation and reducing the federal government's consumption of energy.
"HUD - Deputy Housing Secretary Ron Sims -- U.S. Housing and Urban Development (HUD) Deputy Secretary Ron Sims will travel to Baltimore, MD, to visit Wayland Village Senior Housing, an affordable housing project that is currently under construction with HUD Recovery Act funds. He will discuss this transformative project that is creating jobs and stimulating the local economy. As summer heats up, Recovery Act-funded construction projects are kicking into high gear and putting HUD's dollar investment and American people to work. By the end of this summer, HUD will have rehabilitated 230,000 housing units.
"DOE – Assistant Secretary of Energy Cathy Zoi -- Assistant Secretary for Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy Cathy Zoi will travel to Manchester, NH to visit a newly weatherized home with U.S. Senator Jeanne Shaheen where they will highlight the progress the Administration's weatherization program has made over the last year. This summer, the Administration expects to weatherize 82,000 homes – 27 times as many homes as were weatherized last summer. Home weatherization saves consumers on average $400 per year in utility costs."
Soooo! It's better than doing nothing like the Teabagger want. :rant:
Quote from: The Troll on September 22, 2011, 07:57:19 PM
Soooo! It's better than doing nothing like the Teabagger want. :rant:
yeah, that was a well spent trillion dollars........we are so much better off now.
FLASHBACK!
Biden Complains People 'Can Barely Pay To Fill Their Gas Tank' - Back In '08 Debate....
At the time (Oct. 2008), the average cost of a gallon of regular was $3.17 .... Today, AAA estimates that a gallon of regular costs about $3.82 (http://fuelgaugereport.aaa.com/) (Oct. 9)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 10, 2012, 10:52:44 AM
FLASHBACK!
Biden Complains People 'Can Barely Pay To Fill Their Gas Tank' - Back In '08 Debate....
At the time (Oct. 2008), the average cost of a gallon of regular was $3.17 .... Today, AAA estimates that a gallon of regular costs about $3.82 (http://fuelgaugereport.aaa.com/) (Oct. 9)
HENRY YOU LIE! There you go again planting lies, lies, lies,lies. You know damn well the President of the United States can't control the price of gasoline. Brighten up Bunky. American is producing more oil than it has in years and years. Enough for the oil companies to export gasoline. You know you export gasoline so it will keep up the high price for gasoline here in America. :doh:
Oh yes, that reminds me you're one of those people who is for giving oil companies all of those tax breaks and subsidies so they can stick it our ass with high gas prices. What a Dumbo.
Henry, you and the :zoners:
Quote from: The Troll on October 10, 2012, 01:47:18 PM
HENRY YOU LIE! There you go again planting lies, lies, lies,lies. You know damn well the President of the United States can't control the price of gasoline. Brighten up Bunky. American is producing more oil than it has in years and years. Enough for the oil companies to export gasoline. You know you export gasoline so it will keep up the high price for gasoline here in America. :doh:
Oh yes, that reminds me you're one of those people who is for giving oil companies all of those tax breaks and subsidies so they can stick it our ass with high gas prices. What a Dumbo.
Henry, you and the :zoners:
Not ONE lie there troll, just posted how Biden BITCHED about it, like HE was going to do something about it, back 08. Just pointing out the obvious bullshit, that YOU and cohorts buy into.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 11, 2012, 07:26:31 AM
Not ONE lie there troll, just posted how Biden BITCHED about it, like HE was going to do something about it, back 08. Just pointing out the obvious bullshit, that YOU and cohorts buy into.
Keep on believing in what you say and you can go on living in Alice's Wonder Land. Down the rabbit where you are the Mad Hatter. :haha: :haha: