Seriously guys....wtf? :confused: :rant:
http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/us-to-spend-200-mn-a-day-on-obama-s-mumbai-visit-64106 (http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/us-to-spend-200-mn-a-day-on-obama-s-mumbai-visit-64106)
Mumbai: The US would be spending a whopping $200 million ([font=4e60208b5715068d0c197d50#981a00]R[/font]s. 900 crore approx) per day on President Barack Obama's visit to the city.
"The huge amount of around $200 million would be spent on security, stay and other aspects of the Presidential visit," a top official of the Maharashtra Government privy to the arrangements for the high-profile visit said.
About 3,000 people including Secret Service agents, US government officials and journalists would accompany the President. Several officials from the White House and US security agencies are already here for the past one week with helicopters, a ship and high-end security instruments.
"Except for personnel providing immediate security to the President, the US officials may not be allowed to carry weapons. The state police is competent to take care of the security measures and they would be piloting the Presidential convoy," the official said on condition of anonymity.
Navy and Air Force has been asked by the state government to intensify patrolling along the Mumbai coastline and its airspace during Obama's stay. The city's airspace will be closed half-an-hour before the President's arrival for all aircraft barring those carrying the US delegation.
The personnel from SRPF, Force One, besides the NSG contingent stationed here would be roped in for the President's security, the official said.
The area from Hotel Taj, where Obama and his wife Michelle would stay, to Shikra helipad in Colaba would be cordoned off completely during the movement of the President.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 03, 2010, 03:08:50 PM
Seriously guys....wtf? :confused: :rant:
http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/us-to-spend-200-mn-a-day-on-obama-s-mumbai-visit-64106 (http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/us-to-spend-200-mn-a-day-on-obama-s-mumbai-visit-64106)
Mumbai: The US would be spending a whopping $200 million ([font=4e60208b5715068d0c197d50#981a00]R[/font]s. 900 crore approx) per day on President Barack Obama's visit to the city.
"The huge amount of around $200 million would be spent on security, stay and other aspects of the Presidential visit," a top official of the Maharashtra Government privy to the arrangements for the high-profile visit said.
About 3,000 people including Secret Service agents, US government officials and journalists would accompany the President. Several officials from the White House and US security agencies are already here for the past one week with helicopters, a ship and high-end security instruments.
"Except for personnel providing immediate security to the President, the US officials may not be allowed to carry weapons. The state police is competent to take care of the security measures and they would be piloting the Presidential convoy," the official said on condition of anonymity.
Navy and Air Force has been asked by the state government to intensify patrolling along the Mumbai coastline and its airspace during Obama's stay. The city's airspace will be closed half-an-hour before the President's arrival for all aircraft barring those carrying the US delegation.
The personnel from SRPF, Force One, besides the NSG contingent stationed here would be roped in for the President's security, the official said.
The area from Hotel Taj, where Obama and his wife Michelle would stay, to Shikra helipad in Colaba would be cordoned off completely during the movement of the President.
Where were you when George W. was flying all over the world on state visits. Where were you when George W. was traveling all over the country trying to get us to put our money in Social Security. All the trip to Texas.
Not no peep out of the chicken :chick: Henry quit being a typical Republican, it sounds so cry baby, want a Kleenex.
Henry, I wish you would make the font bigger next time. I can't hardly read it.
Quote from: Lester Sasquatch on November 03, 2010, 04:27:56 PM
Henry, I wish you would make the font bigger next time. I can't hardly read it.
sorry, I copied and pasted it, and that just turned out that way.....you are right though it is kind of dinky to read......whoops!
Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.
- Innocents Abroad by Mark Twain
Travel and society polish one, but a rolling stone gathers no moss, and a little moss is a good thing on a man.
John Burroughs
My point(s) were directed more toward diplomatic solutions to the challenges before this country right now. Say, hypothetically that the POTUS was, at the prompting of his advisors, considering a repeal or major modification of the NAFTA agreement, or some other trade agreement reached with a foreign entity. If this were to be the case would it make more sense to spend some money to provide background and garner some measure of support or understanding from these entities, or just to do it without any kind of explanation or attempt at reconciling the validity for doing so?
This country took a major beating in the diplomatic circles globally during the Bush years. It will take decades to undo the damage, or an extraordinary effort in any case. The most effective and complimentary diplomatic gesture this country can make is for its CEO and CIC to personally undertake these efforts at least in the beginning.
I know no more effective means of cutting through the crap and getting to the meat of the issues than to have the top dogs of all parties sitting down at the table of diplomacy. They may not always be successful in achieving the agenda, but the diplomatic capital these events produce are priceless. . .
What price do we put upon diplomacy? Is it worth it or is war a more satisfactory solution?
The figure of $200 million a day is total bullshit. On CNN their research team tried to find out where they came up with that number. I came out of someone's ass. The cost of the trip and what resources used are a state secret.
CNN said that one story was traced down to a low level aid in India. Where in hell would he get all of that bullshit of $200 a day cost. It had to come out of his ass.
It is another RED HERRING from the Republican dirty tricks team. They put it out and the big dumb fish take it hook line and sinker. We don't spend that now in Iraq now each day. Duuuuhhhhh.
Not unprecedented ....
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw-act/bush-arrives-in-sydney-for-apec/story-e6freuzi-1111114345038 (http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw-act/bush-arrives-in-sydney-for-apec/story-e6freuzi-1111114345038)
US President George W Bush and his 1000-strong entourage have touched down in Sydney, triggering the biggest security lockdown in the city's history.
Accompanying the president was expected to be 150 national security advisers, 250 Secret Service agents, 200 public servants, 50 political aides, 15 sniffer dog teams and even five chefs.
The presidential 747 was accompanied by a second identical stand-in plane and followed by a third jumbo jet carrying 150 White House journalists, medical staff, advisers, public servants, Secret Service agents, dogs and cooks.
It is understood two or three transport planes carrying the presidential helicopter, Marine One, and dozens of motorcade vehicles including limousines, Secret Service wagons, VIP guest vans and an ambulance deployed in Sydney around two days ago to be ready for the president's arrival.
The total 1,000-strong delegation is more than three times larger than any other country, including the 300-strong Australian team.
And that has what to do with this? Did he have Lora and the kids with him? Was the economy this bad? Did they have to close off entire sections of town? Did he rent anything even close to extravagant as the Hotel Taj?
Quote from: Olias on November 04, 2010, 02:11:11 PM
Not unprecedented ....
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw-act/bush-arrives-in-sydney-for-apec/story-e6freuzi-1111114345038 (http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw-act/bush-arrives-in-sydney-for-apec/story-e6freuzi-1111114345038)
US President George W Bush and his 1000-strong entourage have touched down in Sydney, triggering the biggest security lockdown in the city's history.
Accompanying the president was expected to be 150 national security advisers, 250 Secret Service agents, 200 public servants, 50 political aides, 15 sniffer dog teams and even five chefs.
The presidential 747 was accompanied by a second identical stand-in plane and followed by a third jumbo jet carrying 150 White House journalists, medical staff, advisers, public servants, Secret Service agents, dogs and cooks.
It is understood two or three transport planes carrying the presidential helicopter, Marine One, and dozens of motorcade vehicles including limousines, Secret Service wagons, VIP guest vans and an ambulance deployed in Sydney around two days ago to be ready for the president's arrival.
The total 1,000-strong delegation is more than three times larger than any other country, including the 300-strong Australian team.
What is it with you Republicans, you seem to have a different sent of standards for the Democrats that you do for your own people. Your people can spend money like a drunken sailors on shore leave, pass laws that bankrupts America with fraudulent loans and stock mark scams. Give corporate welfare to the super rich corporations to send jobs out of this country.
But let us say something about your liars and crooks you just scream bloody murder and usually end it up with, why don't you grow up or something stupid like that. As the British say, "BRILLIANT". Cry Babies, :cry: :cry: Want a Kleenex?
Quote from: me on November 04, 2010, 03:21:39 PM
And that has what to do with this? Did he have Lora and the kids with him? Was the economy this bad? Did they have to close off entire sections of town? Did he rent anything even close to extravagant as the Hotel Taj?
He had his 'wife' with him. "Mr Bush was followed from the plane by US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice." :biggrin:
"Sydneysiders have been warned to prepare for massive upheaval to transport and other services.
The two major routes to Sydney Airport were the subject of a massive security operation from 8pm last night, causing major disruptions to other motorists."
Quote from: The Troll on November 04, 2010, 09:03:03 AM
The figure of $200 million a day is total bullshit. On CNN their research team tried to find out where they came up with that number. I came out of someone's ass. The cost of the trip and what resources used are a state secret.
CNN said that one story was traced down to a low level aid in India. Where in hell would he get all of that bullshit of $200 a day cost. It had to come out of his ass.
It is another RED HERRING from the Republican dirty tricks team. They put it out and the big dumb fish take it hook line and sinker. We don't spend that now in Iraq now each day. Duuuuhhhhh.
When I first saw this POS subject being spread across the internet by the usual suspects, that the numbers were typical RW BS was the first thing that crossed my mind.
The second thing was that all those goombahs who put their brain in park and react emotionally to this sort of RW propaganda would be right there hootin' and hollerin' their fool heads off about it without a clue as usual. :biggrin:
Quote from: The Troll on November 04, 2010, 04:02:08 PM
What is it with you Republicans, you seem to have a different sent of standards for the Democrats that you do for your own
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Quote from: Lester Sasquatch on November 03, 2010, 04:27:56 PM
Henry, I wish you would make the font bigger next time. I can't hardly read it.
Using the keys "Ctrl +" should enlarge the text in your browser, and "Ctrl -" should reduce it.
But you would waste your time reading what Hank posted, just as you wasted your time reading whatever RW propaganda on this issue that set you off emotionally in the first place. :biggrin:
Quote from: Y on November 04, 2010, 04:50:15 PM
But you would waste your time reading what Hank posted
Entertainment? :biggrin:
Quote from: Olias on November 04, 2010, 04:53:38 PM
Entertainment? :biggrin:
:biggrin:
I'd agree with you, but that sort of propaganda, and those who use it to manipulate the weak-minded of our electorate, is, and are, the primary thing(s) which are ruining our country from within - and I can't find that humorous even though I understand that's one way to deal with the despair of it all.
The thing that really chaps my hide, (and I am not speaking about anyone in particular here), is that this kind of tactic has been utilized by the opposition since well before the POTUS was elected, it has increased steadily since, and despite the fact that they have now virtually handcuffed the man surrounding accomplishing anything during his term, they continue to use it.
It is almost as if they are scared to death of the man!
This latest dose of tripe makes one wonder what they are really bitching about. Maybe they want him to go there with less than 1/4 of the security and protection, have him stay at the India HoJo, and get assassinated.
The worst part about it is if that were to happen they'd boo hoo it up and wring their hands in public, but behind closed doors they'd be dancing a jig. It just makes me sick to hear / read the crap they endlessly put out there, with little to no idea of what they are talking about, and no evidence to support it either.
How many frigging times do we have to revisit the birth certificate issue? Yet here we are STILL hearing that tripe despite the fact it has been answered and proven to be nothing but lies and puffery. . . :rolleyes:
all I am stating is, IF, and I understand the IF, but, IF this IS true, they are spending this amount of money to go to this meeting....I'm thinking, maybe he should leave the wife and kids at home on this one...maybe skip the taj maha thing....merely for the fact we have about 20 million pissed off folks right now....and he could use a little more positive PR at this point of his tenure.
also, IF it truly does cost this amount, then keeping it out of the press would be wise...
just sayin...
Palehorse the same thing goes for Palin....it is almost like your are scared to death of the girl...and don't tell me she is not getting the same type of bs press and hype.
Quote from: Palehorse on November 04, 2010, 05:07:52 PM
How many frigging times do we have to revisit the birth certificate issue? Yet here we are STILL hearing that tripe despite the fact it has been answered and proven to be nothing but lies and puffery. . . :rolleyes:
Their favorite tactic. Designed to work especially well on the weak mind.
"Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth."
(or something to that effect. Sometimes attributed to Joseph Goebbels, sometimes to Hitler. Whatever. Some Nazi said it.)
PH, it's as I've mentioned before, it's racism, a goodly portion of white America, and RW white America at that, lost its friggin' mind when the reality of a black man holding the reins of power smacked them square in the face.
Which reminds me, I have another thread to resurrect. :biggrin:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 04, 2010, 05:17:02 PM
all I am stating is, IF, and I understand the IF, but, IF this IS true, they are spending this amount of money to go to this meeting....I'm thinking, maybe he should leave the wife and kids at home on this one...maybe skip the taj maha thing....merely for the fact we have about 20 million pissed off folks right now....and he could use a little more positive PR at this point of his tenure.
also, IF it truly does cost this amount, then keeping it out of the press would be wise...
just sayin...
Palehorse the same thing goes for Palin....it is almost like your are scared to death of the girl...and don't tell me she is not getting the same type of bs press and hype.
Oh yeah, the infamous 'if'. :rolleyes:
If rocks were apples no one would be hungry.
'If' is always a good excuse to CYA over commentary without factual basis, like the above - and it's exactly the tripe I was referring to that is ruining this country.
Notice HH that they are attacking the poster again more so than the post......They are also using that old "but look what so and so did" thing to the hilt like that makes this alright. Sheesh this is getting old. :rolleyes:
Quote from: me on November 04, 2010, 07:51:26 PM
Notice HH that they are attacking the poster again more so than the post......They are also using that old "but look what so and so did" thing to the hilt like that makes this alright. Sheesh this is getting old. :rolleyes:
You wonder why we attack the poster? It's because of stupid comments like this ...
Quote from: me on November 04, 2010, 03:21:39 PM
Did he have Lora and the kids with him?
Do you think we have to pay for an extra seat on the plane when he takes his wife? Do you think we have to pay for an extra room at the hotel? Where did you get the idea that he is taking the kids - pulled out of your arse like you do so many other times?
:rolleyes:
oh, btw, Dubya's wife's name is not "Lora"
I stumbled upon Glenn Beck talking about Obama's trip yesterday. My jaw dropped with all the unsubstantiated claims and speculation. His intent is to be divisive as if the American people need that right now, but unfortunately, the non-thinking segment of the population will lap it up like milk. Responsible and ethical people in the media just don't do that.
Quote from: Y on November 04, 2010, 05:22:05 PM
Oh yeah, the infamous 'if'. :rolleyes:
If rocks were apples no one would be hungry.
'If' is always a good excuse to CYA over commentary without factual basis, like the above - and it's exactly the tripe I was referring to that is ruining this country.
is it true or not?....no one is denying it. Why don't the white house clear the air?
You know as I think more about this, the question keeps coming up in my mind is ... WHY is this trip so important?...serious question, I'm not knocking the POTUS for traveling, but why this one? to an extremely dangerous area....what is so important that he meets "who ever" face to face....what is the pay off? I'm not being factious, just curious. The security is without a doubt going to be enormous, as well it should be, for such an event. I think it is a fair question by voters to ask.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 05, 2010, 10:39:50 AM
is it true or not?....no one is denying it. Why don't the white house clear the air?
They did. You just chose to ignore it. :rolleyes:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2010/11/05/attacks-president-obama-going-asia-a-long-trip-reality (http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2010/11/05/attacks-president-obama-going-asia-a-long-trip-reality)
"it's not even close to true."
"the numbers reported have no basis in reality."
"That's just comical."
"Nothing close to that is being done.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 05, 2010, 10:39:50 AM
is it true or not?....no one is denying it. Why don't the white house clear the air?
You know as I think more about this, the question keeps coming up in my mind is ... WHY is this trip so important?...serious question, I'm not knocking the POTUS for traveling, but why this one? to an extremely dangerous area....what is so important that he meets "who ever" face to face....what is the pay off? I'm not being factious, just curious. The security is without a doubt going to be enormous, as well it should be, for such an event. I think it is a fair question by voters to ask.
Why don't Obama just clear the air. You sound like the reporters over in the first Gulf War when the military said that they would not answer any questions about battle plans. After this was say the speaker asked, "Is there any questions" A reporter is called on and asks, "Sir, where will the next battle take place and at what time? Grow up :chick:
What I don't understand about any of the presidents as far back as Truman, why would you take your wife and/or children with you to a place so dangerous that you need that type of protection?
Quote from: Olias on November 04, 2010, 05:18:31 PM
"Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth."
I like Terry Pratchett's observation on the phenomenon. He says, "A lie can run around the world before the truth can get its boots on."
I've been lax about checking this brouhaha out. I've had a busy and trying couple of weeks, and it starts again Sunday night.
However... I did finally get time to run this puppy to its kennel. The $200 million line has ONE source, an unidentified Indian, who was speaking "on the condition of anonymity." It's easy to see why he wanted to be anonymous -- the whole freakin' thing is a lie!
Thanks Olias and Sandy, for getting some factual links out there.
Quote from: LOsborne on November 05, 2010, 06:52:49 PM
. . .-- the whole freakin' thing is a lie! . . .
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There's a fuckin surprise!
Quote from: Anne on November 05, 2010, 05:41:10 PM
What I don't understand about any of the presidents as far back as Truman, why would you take your wife and/or children with you to a place so dangerous that you need that type of protection?
Are saying Anne that if you and your and your husband was asked to travel to India with the President on a 5 Star Trip, you wouldn't go because you think it's to dangerous. :rolleyes: My wife and I love to go. My God what a trip. Pack my bags and go. :biggrin: :biggrin:
Now that it's over isn't it amazing how many idiots believe the $200 a day trip lie. Any body with one ounce of gray matter could have seen through it.
$200 million per day. 23 air craft, 40 ships, 3000 people and all the room in a 5 star hotel. God what dumasses. :rotfl: A trip to Wonder Land. :wall:
Yeah, I'm an idiot Troll. You sure get up early don't you?
Quote from: The Troll on November 05, 2010, 07:52:49 PM
Are saying Anne that if you and your and your husband was asked to travel to India with the President on a 5 Star Trip, you wouldn't go because you think it's to dangerous. :rolleyes: My wife and I love to go. My God what a trip. Pack my bags and go. :biggrin: :biggrin:
Probably not, neither of us have any desire to go to India, but you missed the point of my question. Why would you knowingly take your family someplace and put them in the kind of danger that evidently is there? Going yourself is one thing, putting your family in that position is something else.
Quote from: Lester Sasquatch on November 06, 2010, 06:56:02 AM
Yeah, I'm an idiot Troll. You sure get up early don't you?
Yeah I sure do at this time. I have been have a scieattic nerve problem in my left leg. When it acts up, I get up. Sleeping around three to four at a time. Never had any thing hurt this bad. :gha: :groan:
Quote from: The Troll on November 06, 2010, 12:47:21 PM
I have been have a scieattic nerve problem ...
Taken literally, (and allowing for the creative spelling of
sciatic) he just confessed to being a pain in the ass.
Quote from: LOsborne on November 06, 2010, 01:39:31 PM
Taken literally, (and allowing for the creative spelling of sciatic) he just confessed to being a pain in the ass.
:biggrin:
He's got a point, though.
Spend a little time to check out the statement, and it falls under its own weight.
Bullshit, no matter how you slice it.
Same as the birthers bullshit.
And it is SO EEEEAAAAAASSSSYYYY to confirm or debunk, what with the internet so handy.
:rolleyes:
Oh.
A question.
Why has no one mentioned the trade agreement or the ~ 54,000 American jobs it will create?
Quote from: LOsborne on November 06, 2010, 01:39:31 PM
Taken literally, (and allowing for the creative spelling of sciatic) he just confessed to being a pain in the ass.
Try this spelling, the pain in my leg. Dumbass. :finger01:
Hasn't happened yet why should this be any different? He could do that here any way.
Quote from: followsthewolf on November 06, 2010, 05:36:37 PM
Oh.
A question.
Why has no one mentioned the trade agreement or the ~ 54,000 American jobs it will create?
Quote from: The Troll on November 06, 2010, 12:47:21 PM
Yeah I sure do at this time. I have been have a scieattic nerve problem in my left leg. When it acts up, I get up. Sleeping around three to four at a time. Never had any thing hurt this bad. :gha: :groan:
I hear ya. These steel rods in my back are acting up. Just like clockwork, 3AM every morning since the weather started cooling off, I wake up hurting big time.
Quote from: Lester Sasquatch on November 07, 2010, 03:18:27 AM
I hear ya. These steel rods in my back are acting up. Just like clockwork, 3AM every morning since the weather started cooling off, I wake up hurting big time.
I hear what you say, my grandson has some rods and screws and bolts in his back, I know he went through hell having them put in and now carring them around.
Fortunately I had the rods and screws in my leg eventually removed. It still hurts though when the weather turns cold. :rant:
Another thing I glad that it is over. More lies from the dirty tricks team of the Republican Party and the Republican controlled news media and internet bloggers.
Lies from the start to the end. One more thing the American people are going to have to understand. You can't trust or believe one thing that come out of the lying mouth of a lying Republican. Over 45% of the people believe them and look what it got us. A smaller depression and it could get worse.
But what is so bad the dumbasses put the liers back in. Go figure. Your can't fix stupid.