Is every opinion valid? If not, how should we determine which opinions are?
My opinion is always right or they would not be my opinion.............imo
That is a loaded question ya know. Everyone's opinions are based on the facts as they see them not the facts as you/others see them so, yes, every opinion is valid to someone.
Opinions are like assholes; everybody has one and most of them are full of shit!
Quote from: Palehorse on August 30, 2010, 02:50:28 PM
Opinions are like assholes; everybody has one and most of them are full of shit!
I was gonna say that but thought I'd be nice.... :biggrin:
Facts are not open to interpretation, as much as you'd like to pretend otherwise.
Quote from: Exterminator on August 30, 2010, 02:52:10 PM
Facts are not open to interpretation, as much as you'd like to pretend otherwise.
Oh really, that's interesting. And here all this time I thought facts could be distorted. Amazing huh?
I would say the validity of ones opinion correlates directly with the level of factual and accredited information it incorporates. It is what it eats, and if it eats shit it is shit!
Quote from: Palehorse on August 30, 2010, 02:56:03 PM
I would say the validity of ones opinion correlates directly with the level of factual and accredited information it incorporates. It is what it eats, and if it eats shit it is shit!
So, following that logic it would mean that not all are entitled to their own opinions unless it agrees with theirs and their facts which may be distorted even though they don't recognize it.
Quote from: me on August 30, 2010, 05:47:26 PM
So, following that logic it would mean that not all are entitled to their own opinions unless it agrees with theirs and their facts which may be distorted even though they don't recognize it.
No that is not what it means. It means everyone has the right to an opinion, but before you go spreading it around like horse manure you had better have your facts straight and ensure they are correct. Moreover, it is incumbent upon those who know a stated opinion to be incorrect to point it out, and to provide accredited and empirical evidence to support said rebuttal; therein providing proof of the falsehood of the former.
Henry, you opinion can't always be right. You may think it's right for you and you might even stick by it even when the facts are in, but that doesn't make it right.
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on August 30, 2010, 05:55:43 PM
Henry, you opinion can't always be right. You may think it's right for you and you might even stick by it even when the facts are in, but that doesn't make it right.
Obtuse comes to mind. . .
me - it isn't a loaded question. It's pretty straight forward.
Also if someone bases an opinion on something that they misunderstood, then their opinion is not valid.
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on August 30, 2010, 05:58:59 PM
me - it isn't a loaded question. It's pretty straight forward.
Also if someone bases an opinion on something that they misunderstood, then their opinion is not valid.
There is a difference between misunderstanding and understanding something different. It is also a fact that facts can be altered or skewed to be in favor of one side or another and presented in such a manner as to be legit so a person has to decide which facts they prefer to go with even if it's a combination of the two presented.
Quote from: me on August 30, 2010, 06:15:46 PM
There is a difference between misunderstanding and understanding something different. It is also a fact that facts can be altered or skewed to be in favor of one side or another and presented in such a manner as to be legit so a person has to decide which facts they prefer to go with even if it's a combination of the two presented.
I believe that most opinions are based of selfserving greed. Lying, cheating, stretching the truth and anything go when it come to getting what you want. No holds barred.
I sorta like what President Franklin D. Roosevelt said,
The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much, as it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little.
For me I don't worry if it is going to cost me a few dollars in taxes, if it good for the country.
it's OK.
Quote from: The Troll on August 30, 2010, 06:30:27 PM
I believe that most opinions are based of selfserving greed. Lying, cheating, stretching the truth and anything go when it come to getting what you want. No holds barred.
I sorta like what President Franklin D. Roosevelt said,
The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much, as it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little.
For me I don't worry if it is going to cost me a few dollars in taxes, if it good for the country.
it's OK.
It is not the governments job to provide for us it is up to us to provide for ourselves.
Quote from: me on August 30, 2010, 06:38:00 PM
It is not the governments job to provide for us it is up to us to provide for ourselves.
Well, Sweet Heart, you live in your cold, cruel, starving world of the Herbert Hoover Depression and would you please stop using Medical Care and turn that Social Security check back in.
When someone is so cheap, greedy and selfish, I hope when you really get old and poor and sick you have the "Balls" to not except any government aid. NONE.
No, you be just like the bald sob governor who takes the government money, "Because it's there". :finger01:
Quote from: The Troll on August 30, 2010, 06:46:19 PM
Well, Sweet Heart, you live in your cold, cruel, starving world of the Herbert Hoover Depression and would you please stop using Medical Care and turn that Social Security check back in.
When someone is so cheap, greedy and selfish, I hope when you really get old and poor and sick you have the "Balls" to not except any government aid. NONE.
No, you be just like the bald sob governor who takes the government money, "Because it's there". :finger01:
You don't have a clue do you Troll? Social Security is
NOT a government funded program. We all paid into it and some pay waaaaaaay more than they will ever draw out.
Quote from: me on August 30, 2010, 06:53:28 PM
Social Security is NOT a government funded program. We all paid into it and some pay waaaaaaay more than they will ever draw out.
What??? We all paid into taxes too. Are you saying our cops, fire departments and courts are not government funded?
Quote from: me on August 30, 2010, 06:53:28 PM
You don't have a clue do you Troll? Social Security is NOT a government funded program. We all paid into it and some pay waaaaaaay more than they will ever draw out.
Well, there a lot of people who has got a lot more out of it than they paid into it. I would like to know how much you have taken out and how much you put in. The way you have talked you never made any good money.
But, if you live to 90, I'll bet you got one hell of a lot more money than you paid into it. Want to bet?
Quote from: me on August 30, 2010, 06:53:28 PM
You don't have a clue do you Troll? Social Security is NOT a government funded program. We all paid into it and some pay waaaaaaay more than they will ever draw out.
All government programs are funded by taxpayers; ergo, Social Security is a government funded program.
So go scream at your gramma and grampa who drew out tons more than they paid into it.
Quote from: followsthewolf on August 30, 2010, 08:43:21 PM
All government programs are funded by taxpayers; ergo, Social Security is a government funded program.
So go scream at your gramma and grampa who drew out tons more than they paid into it.
Ammmmmmmmmmmmmen Wolfie :wolf: :thumbsup:
It is money paid into the government by us that we get at a certain age. If they had not started dipping into it for other "pet projects" and giving it to people who never paid into the system, illegals, it wouldn't be in as bad shape as it is now. Both parties are equally as guilty on that "pet project" thing so don't jump on that one with both feet 'cause you'd be wastin' your time.
Of course I see where you're coming from on the government funding deal since the money we are drawing on now was actually paid in by others before us and it can be looked at or interpreted as not actually our money for arguments sake.
Quote from: me on August 30, 2010, 09:36:51 PM
It is money paid into the government by us that we get at a certain age. If they had not started dipping into it for other "pet projects" and giving it to people who never paid into the system, illegals, it wouldn't be in as bad shape as it is now. Both parties are equally as guilty on that "pet project" thing so don't jump on that one with both feet 'cause you'd be wastin' your time.
Of course I see where you're coming from on the government funding deal since the money we are drawing on now was actually paid in by others before us and it can be looked at or interpreted as not actually our money for arguments sake.
Remember how much fun you made of Gore talking about locking the lock box of Social Security.
Hey, I got an idea. Let's take the money you have left in your Social Security account, put it in the stock market or CD's or anywhere you want to, even under your mattress and see how long it last. George W. wanted you to do that. How about an answer on that.
Quote from: The Troll on August 30, 2010, 09:47:07 PM
Remember how much fun you made of Gore talking about locking the lock box of Social Security.
Hey, I got an idea. Let's take the money you have left in your Social Security account, put it in the stock market or CD's or anywhere you want to, even under your mattress and see how long it last. George W. wanted you to do that. How about an answer on that.
Ya, Gore didn't like the idea of the little black lock box because if it were taken out of government control they couldn't get their grubby little paws on it. Besides one of the arguments against Bush wanting to do something was that there was nothing wrong with Social Security and there was then just as much as now so don't even start that crap.
Quote from: me on August 30, 2010, 06:15:46 PM
There is a difference between misunderstanding and understanding something different.
You totally lost me on this one. How can it be different. If you understand something different and it's incorrect, then you've misunderstood.
Quote from: me on August 30, 2010, 06:15:46 PM
It is also a fact that facts can be altered or skewed to be in favor of one side or another and presented in such a manner as to be legit so a person has to decide which facts they prefer to go with even if it's a combination of the two presented.
The onus is on us as individuals to seek out the facts and not settle for "skewed" information. We should question references, sources, material, everything until we're fairly certain that we have the correct information. To form an opinion without accurately verifying the information could make someone's opinion flawed and therefore, invalid.
Quote from: me on August 30, 2010, 09:51:11 PM
Ya, Gore didn't like the idea of the little black lock box because if it were taken out of government control they couldn't get their grubby little paws on it. Besides one of the arguments against Bush wanting to do something was that there was nothing wrong with Social Security and there was then just as much as now so don't even start that crap.
Your ass is sucking buttermilk about Al Gore. He wanted the congress to keep their hand off of S.S.
There is nothing wrong with S.S. until past 2030 and still can operate. It's all a smoke screen to keep the Sheeple minds of what really happening with the party of NO.
And your Lover George W. the lying S.O. B. tried to steal the money for his rich buddies, putting it in the stockmarket. Really there is nothing will change a persons mind, who doesn't have one and that you.