Since were discussing the Muslim community center / mosque on another thread, I thought I'd share a blog entry that someone made showing what else is going on there on 'hallowed' ground.
http://daryllang.com/blog/4421
Interesting stuff there.
Hallowed ground and Muslim Mosque termoil is caused by the Republican Dirty Trick Team, the Rapture Christian Far Right fruit cakes and the 24 hour news media.
The Republican think that if they can keep the Sheeple minds off of real life, they have a better chance of winning more seats in November.
Funny. . . the opposition has nothing for this one! :biggrin:
I wonder what the opposition position is on this? ... after all, this planned mosque is hundreds of miles from New York.
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/murfreesboro-tennessee-mosque-plan-draws-criticism-residents/story?id=10956381 (http://abcnews.go.com/WN/murfreesboro-tennessee-mosque-plan-draws-criticism-residents/story?id=10956381)
"A plan to build an Islamic community center in the middle-Tennessee town of Murfreesboro sparked an eruption of ugly criticism on Thursday from some residents who don't want a mosque built in their backyard."
Quote from: Palehorse on August 25, 2010, 09:00:54 AM
Funny. . . the opposition has nothing for this one! :biggrin:
what do you mean we got nothing for this one?........big f'ng deal that there are McDonalds there? what is YOUR point?
Why is it so hard to understand that people are very upset that this inman wants to use the very spot where the landing gear landed on the roof of the building that was there.....this inman who says does not believe that hamas is a terrorist oganization....who believes that America is responsible for 9/11...because Bin Ladin was "made" in the USA...he wants America to be Sharia compliant?.....this is nothing more than a political slap in the face of America....he deliberatly picked THIS site, to stir up a controversy....he could have built this a number of other places, but HE chose this one, knowing it was going to upset many, many New Yorkers AND Americans......he will NOT tell anyone where his money is coming from....we have EVERY right to question this motive.
This has nothing to do with religious liberty....if this guy was serious about building a "bridge" for muslims, Christians, Jews, and ALL parties, then he would want to build a place of "interfaith" with a mosque, a Church, a synagogues...but that is NOT in his plans...he is a radical who is purely and simply displaying an anti-american act of tryumphantism....and why a liberal cannot see this is beyond me....so don't get uppity and laugh thinking that the "opposition" has nothing this for this one.............well, THIS guy does, and I will be damned if any body want's to make lite of it, and throw it in my face...........it makes me f'ng sick to my stomach how we are supposed to be tolarant to others, but by God we cannot stand up for what I clearly see as an assault on America...F' this inman, and any radical believin Muslim who thinks American's are responsible for this attack....and we are not getting all excited when they pick the very site of this attack to rub our noses in THEIR radical beliefs. :rant:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 25, 2010, 09:38:39 AM
what do you mean we got nothing for this one?........big f'ng deal that there are McDonalds there? what is YOUR point?
Why is it so hard to understand that people are very upset that this inman wants to use the very spot where the landing gear landed on the roof of the building that was there.....this inman who says does not believe that hamas is a terrorist oganization....who believes that America is responsible for 9/11...because Bin Ladin was "made" in the USA...he wants America to be Sharia compliant?.....this is nothing more than a political slap in the face of America....he deliberatly picked THIS site, to stir up a controversy....he could have built this a number of other places, but HE chose this one, knowing it was going to upset many, many New Yorkers AND Americans......he will NOT tell anyone where his money is coming from....we have EVERY right to question this motive.
This has nothing to do with religious liberty....if this guy was serious about building a "bridge" for muslims, Christians, Jews, and ALL parties, then he would want to build a place of "interfaith" with a mosque, a Church, a synagogues...but that is NOT in his plans...he is a radical who is purely and simply displaying an anti-american act of tryumphantism....and why a liberal cannot see this is beyond me....so don't get uppity and laugh thinking that the "opposition" has nothing this for this one.............well, THIS guy does, and I will be damned if any body want's to make lite of it, and throw it in my face...........it makes me f'ng sick to my stomach how we are supposed to be tolarant to others, but by God we cannot stand up for what I clearly see as an assault on America...F' this inman, and any radical believin Muslim who thinks American's are responsible for this attack....and we are not getting all excited when they pick the very site of this attack to rub our noses in THEIR radical beliefs. :rant:
When you are through hyperventilating, please tell me ... what possible objection can there be to a mosque in Tennessee? I think this story just exposes you people for what you really are.
It is TN. Maybe for the same reason some people don't want a church built in their neighborhood or a community center or a park. Traffic, noise, or maybe they just don't believe in religion or hate God.
Quote from: Anne on August 25, 2010, 09:47:45 AM
It is TN. Maybe for the same reason some people don't want a church built in their neighborhood or a community center or a park. Traffic, noise, or maybe they just don't believe in religion or hate God.
Read the article ...
"We have a duty to investigate anyone under the banner of Islam," Allen Jackson, the pastor of World Outreach Church, said at the meeting."
"We are fighting these people, for crying out loud, we should not be promoting this."
"They seem to be against everything I believe in, and so I don't want them necessarily in my neighborhood," said local resident Stan Whiteway.
Tracey Steven, who also attended, said, "Our country was founded through the founding fathers -- through the true God, the Father and Jesus Christ."
........
Does that sound like people who "just don't believe in religion or hate God?"
Quote from: Olias on August 25, 2010, 09:44:38 AM
When you are through hyperventilating, please tell me ... what possible objection can there be to a mosque in Tennessee? I think this story just exposes you people for what you really are.
"what YOU people"?...f you Olias!! I can care less what the folks in TN are bitchin about....that is there battle, and maybe they are just plain rednecks, I don't know nor do I give a crap....but, this act on 9/11 was an attack on ALL Americans....and I DO give a crap about what is going on with this inman and his "little" plan he has.
liberals are the most obnoxious, egotistical, self-centered "people" I have ever known....stick that in your pipe....
This pretty much says it all: "...and that's a bigoted, cowardly and completely indefensible position."
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 25, 2010, 09:57:14 AM
"what YOU people"?...they are just plain rednecks...
As are the people spouting their self-righteous indignation about Park 51...same mentality, different location.
Quote from: Exterminator on August 25, 2010, 10:08:30 AM
As are the people spouting their self-righteous indignation about Park 51...same mentality, different location.
I disagree 100%.....it is YOU who is sterotyping a group of individuals....this TN thing is being used by the media to make a comparison, and there is NO comparison to what is going on....NONE
If it looks like a redneck and smells like a redneck and says yee-haw like a redneck...
Quote from: Olias on August 25, 2010, 09:54:29 AM
Read the article ...
"We have a duty to investigate anyone under the banner of Islam," Allen Jackson, the pastor of World Outreach Church, said at the meeting."
"We are fighting these people, for crying out loud, we should not be promoting this."
"They seem to be against everything I believe in, and so I don't want them necessarily in my neighborhood," said local resident Stan Whiteway.
Tracey Steven, who also attended, said, "Our country was founded through the founding fathers -- through the true God, the Father and Jesus Christ."
........
Does that sound like people who "just don't believe in religion or hate God?"
You asked what reason anyone could have in building a mosque in their neighborhood, not what the article said. I gave you some reasons I have heard against building any of the things listed.
Yet they say nothing about the 'mosque' at the other ground zero - the Pentagon ....
http://religion-news.info/petula-dvorak-at-pentagon-a-lesson-in-tolerance-that-mosque-critics-should-heed/ (http://religion-news.info/petula-dvorak-at-pentagon-a-lesson-in-tolerance-that-mosque-critics-should-heed/)
This is truly on sacred ground, mind you. Not two blocks away,wedged between the Gap and Sephora in Pentagon City mall, out of sight of the original crash site. This prayer room is a mere 30steps from the place where terrorists crashed American Airlines Flight 77 through the wall and killed Pentagon secretaries and military officers, soccer moms and Little League dads.
In this Pentagon chapel, Muslims can unroll their prayer mats once a day and give praise to Allah. On Fridays, they bring in an imam to conduct a service.
Cue the outrage: "This is an insult to patriotic Americans everywhere, and especially to the families of those who died that day and the good men and women who are risking their lives for their country in the fight against terrorism!"
Oh wait, there was no outrage. No hyperventilating by cable news anchors. No outpouring of hateful rhetoric on blogs and websites.
"We are sworn to uphold and defend the Constitution. And freedom of religion is part of that Constitution," said George Wright, an Army spokesman at the Pentagon. Until this week, when reporters like me flooded him with calls about the proximity of Muslim worship to the site of a terrorist attack, there has been no interest or controversy surrounding it.
The people I spoke with at the Pentagon said they were surprised at the furor over plans to build a mosque and Islamic community center near ground zero in New York.
Quote from: Olias on August 25, 2010, 10:58:27 AM
This is truly on sacred ground, mind you. Not two blocks away,wedged between the Gap and Sephora in Pentagon City mall, out of sight of the original crash site.
The landing gear landed on the site where the proposed mosques is set to be built in Park51...that IS ground zero as it gets.
and why there was no media at the pentagon is beyond me, and out of my control....THIS however IS news, and it is news that we as Americans do NOT have to be tolerant about.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 25, 2010, 11:51:46 AM
The landing gear landed on the site where the proposed mosques is set to be built in Park51...that IS ground zero as it gets.
You obviously don't know what 'ground zero' means.
Quoteand why there was no media at the pentagon is beyond me, and out of my control....THIS however IS news, and it is news that we as Americans do NOT have to be tolerant about.
And yet you have conveniently avoided PH's question about the geebuz statue at the site of the Oklahoma City bombing that was done by a white Christian; why is that? Don't worry, it's a rhetorical question...because you're a religious bigot, that's why.
Quote from: Exterminator on August 25, 2010, 11:59:24 AM
you're a religious bigot, that's why.
and you are wrong again, like you are most of the time....
you are a liberal bigot....plain and simple...you have proved it time and time again on here...
I am honest enough to call things the way I see them, not like the liberal, pricks, with their nose stuck up in the air, who thinks THEY know what is best for everyone, and think we have to be tolerant of those who are trying to destroy this Country.
and ground zero IS the site of destruction.....a landing gear falling on building at a high rate of speed will cause a site of destruction.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 25, 2010, 12:09:00 PM
and you are wrong again, like you are most of the time....
Nope. You have no issue with a statue of your geebuz at the location of a tragedy caused by someone who shares your religious beliefs but you do have an issue with a community center even close to the 9/11 site. Your religion = all good; muslims = evil; that is the definition of religious bigotry.
Quoteyou are a liberal bigot....plain and simple...you have proved it time and time again on here...
I am honest enough to call things the way I see them, not like the liberal, pricks, with their nose stuck up in the air, who thinks THEY know what is best for everyone, and think we have to be tolerant of those who are trying to destroy this Country.
Actually, we're trying to save the country from illiterate breeders but we're failing miserably.
Quote...and ground zero IS the site of destruction.....a landing gear falling on building at a high rate of speed will cause a site of destruction.
Look up the definition for 'ground zero' before you make a bigger fool of yourself.
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Quote from: Exterminator on August 25, 2010, 12:18:11 PM
Look up the definition for 'ground zero' before you make a bigger fool of yourself.
The term has often been associated with nuclear explosions and other large bombs, but is also used in relation to earthquakes, epidemics and other disasters
to mark the point of the most severe damage or destruction.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_zero (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_zero)
I didn't need to look it up, I know exactly what it means...but, I did it for you, buddy.. ;) ..and the mosque site IS part of a severe damage and destruction.
Quote from: Exterminator on August 25, 2010, 12:18:11 PM
Your religion = all good; muslims = evil; that is the definition of religious bigotry.
Let me do the math PROPERLY for you.... Americans = Good; Anti-Americans = BAD
That is the math I grew up with, and I am willing to die for, if it ever come to it.
btw, there are many, many Muslims that are against this mosque being built...I realize that the vast majority of Muslims are NOT radical and are peaceful, but that does not mean we have to tolerate the few that WANT to destroy this nation.....just as the dumbass idiots who call themselves Christians, who are radical and are violent....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 25, 2010, 12:33:32 PM
I realize that the vast majority of Muslims are NOT radical and are peaceful, but that does not mean we have to tolerate the few that WANT to destroy this nation.
And yet you continue to villify the entire religion based on the actions of those few. That, my friend, is the definition of bigotry.
Quote from: Exterminator on August 25, 2010, 01:05:04 PM
And yet you continue to villify the entire religion based on the actions of those few. That, my friend, is the definition of bigotry.
my only objection is this particular inman, what is his real motives.....like I said, IF they was wanting to build a "real" bridge, they could leave out the mosque or add a church, a synagoge and places of worship for others.....he didn't.
It is my formed opinion that there is more to his motives...if THAT makes me a bigot (in your opinion)....that is no skin off of my behind....I am not going to be a wussy, and go along with something that I think is wrong...because I "Might" offend someone.
Does the name Al-Waleed bin Talal sound familiar to anyone?
Now it's an issue with the imam? What is it; you don't like his shoes or the way he wears his hair or what?
Quote from: Locutus on August 25, 2010, 02:01:36 PM
Does the name Al-Waleed bin Talal sound familiar to anyone?
The Saudi Warren Buffett? Last I knew he owned almost 15% OF Citibank and at least a 7% stake in Fox News parent company. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on August 25, 2010, 02:15:00 PM
The Saudi Warren Buffett? Last I knew he owned almost 15% OF Citibank and at least a 7% stake in Fox News parent company. . .
Bingo! He's the second largest shareholder of News Corp behind the Murdoch family. Now consider the fact that a lot of the shit being stirred about this community center/mosque is originating from the talking heads at FNC, it just goes to show yet again what Fox News is for those who choose to see it. Look at this:
"The imam has been tied to some shady characters," Fox Business Channel's Eric Bolling recently said, "so should we worry that terror dollars could be funding the project?" :rolleyes:
Their number 2 shareholder has funding ties to this imam. You'd think that would give pause to the screeching of Hannity, Palin, Beck, et al., but none of them seem to want to discuss that little issue.
Quote from: Locutus on August 25, 2010, 02:25:23 PM
Bingo! He's the second largest shareholder of News Corp behind the Murdoch family. Now consider the fact that a lot of the shit being stirred about this community center/mosque is originating from the talking heads at FNC, it just goes to show yet again what Fox News is for those who choose to see it. Look at this:
"The imam has been tied to some shady characters," Fox Business Channel's Eric Bolling recently said, "so should we worry that terror dollars could be funding the project?"
:rolleyes:
Their number 2 shareholder has funding ties to this imam. You'd think that would give pause to the screeching of Hannity, Palin, Beck, et al., but none of them seem to want to discuss that little issue.
Islamophobia pure and simple. I am surprised they aren't calling for a government takeover of Faux News! :spooked:
Ironic how it's okay for a strip joint and OTB facility to be in the same area, but they are squealing over an attempt by Islam to achieve a higher level of understanding via education of those who are ignorant. . . :yes:
And speaking of the ignorance that needs educated, I found this on Facebook. This borders on hate speech.
"Someone else has been talking about this very same thing, and as I told them. with as many people who are totally against this, if it does get built, somebody up in NY will either burn it down or bomb it. Let them have their freedom of religion...just do it somewhere else."
This bimbo is clearly off her rocker and doesn't even think about the ramifications for her own religion if the logic of her comments is followed to its logical conclusion.
Quote from: Locutus on August 25, 2010, 02:43:31 PM
And speaking of the ignorance that needs educated, I found this on Facebook. This borders on hate speech.
"Someone else has been talking about this very same thing, and as I told them. with as many people who are totally against this, if it does get built, somebody up in NY will either burn it down or bomb it. Let them have their freedom of religion...just do it somewhere else."
This bimbo is clearly off her rocker and doesn't even think about the ramifications for her own religion if the logic of her comments is followed to its logical conclusion.
Yup! Makes her religion just as bad as those she likes to paint with the broad-strokes of ignorance!
i think it is ignorant to think that this inman does not have further motives than a community sing along...
but again....Time will tell us the truth...
I think it's ignorant that you keep calling him an 'inman' instead of an 'imam'.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 25, 2010, 02:49:58 PM
i think it is ignorant to think that this inman does not have further motives than a community sing along...
but again....Time will tell us the truth...
From everything I've read HH, there's nothing that points to this imam being radical except from those who want to paint him as such in order to stir up shit.
Quote from: Locutus on August 25, 2010, 02:53:38 PM
From everything I've read HH, there's nothing that points to this imam being radical except from those who want to paint him as such in order to stir up shit.
It is so amazing how these Republican "Rapture" Far Right Christians can cry about the constitution when someone can talking about taxing the churches and how the they suck the life out of the taxpayer in the area where they are, by not paying property taxes.
But when it come to some other religion the "Rapture Right Christains want to throw out the Constitution out the window. I think this something they really don't want.
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Quote from: Palehorse on August 26, 2010, 03:17:06 PM
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No doubt they can out breed us. I'm glad that I will have passed on, before the "New World Order" takes place. You remember the "New World Order" George H. Bushed talked about. I don't want any part of it.
It isn't going to be a pretty picture for the United States of America and it's people, if there is any country by that name other than the history books.
Thank the Republican Party for speeding it up. Thank Ronald Reagan for that "Shining City of a Hill and George H. Bush for siring George W. and the "New World Order."
Troll, I'd feel a lot better about our future as humans if we could somehow expunge religion totally. :yes:
Quote from: Locutus on August 26, 2010, 05:09:20 PM
Troll, I'd feel a lot better about our future as humans if we could somehow expunge religion totally. :yes:
I really don't know, but when you look at a YouTube showing the people at a Tea Party convention and you see all of the adults and the old people there and the stupid look on their faces and the signs they carry, I can't see any good.
We have to stop these nuts and all of the religious nuts from brainwashing their children. If that doesn't stop there will be no change.
Quote from: The Troll on August 26, 2010, 06:00:44 PM
We have to stop these nuts and all of the religious nuts from brainwashing their children. If that doesn't stop there will be no change.
That comment RIGHT there is what is wrong with this Country right now....you say you beleive in the Constitution?
People WHAT is going on?....these are some messed up times.
Troll, think about what you just said?....How is that any different than what YOU accuse these "religous nuts" you claim are doing?
and my liberal friends on here think that this is okay?...but If I had said that us Christians need to "stop these athiest nuts" from ruining this Country, you would be blasting me out of the forum.
Let's not sterotype here, we are talking specificly...
This Country was built, and became a great nation because of our Religous Freedom......and YOU are wanting to take that away?
WTF?
Oh Henry, you are so wrong. In the narrow, tunnel vision of a religious nut, no matter what religion, there is no group of people who you guys have no fear of. The Atheist, at least me.
You see we don't believe in God, we don't believe anyone's bible. It's all stupid faith and nothing but faith. For the Atheist, we don't give a damn what you worship or how you worship. If you want to blow a ram's ass every morning, sorry blow a ram's horn every morning welcoming God's day go right ahead, as long as I don't hear the damn horn. Your safe with us as long as you stay in your group and leave us the hell alone.
But when you people want to make laws to gain power for your sect, we have a problem. What get me is you want freedom to do anything you want. But the first thing you would do if you gained power would be take a woman right to have an abortion. Take the very freedom you people are always screaming about. FREEDOM, FREEDOM, FREEDOM.
The only thing you people want is power, the power to fuck with someone else. If there was no religion, what would you Rapture Christians, Muslims and the rest of the nuts have to fight about. The only religion that doesn't want to rule is the Amish and the Drunkards.
Quote from: The Troll on August 27, 2010, 09:25:12 AM
The only religion that doesn't want to rule is the Amish and the Drunkards.
All hail the mighty Budweiser!
Quote from: The Troll on August 27, 2010, 09:25:12 AM
The only thing you people want is power, the power to fuck with someone else. If there was no religion, what would you Rapture Christians, Muslims and the rest of the nuts have to fight about. The only religion that doesn't want to rule is the Amish and the Drunkards.
Enough of the "YOU PEOPLE" bullshit!!....Not every Christian is a Jerry Falwell Bible thumper....I say "f" YOU PEOPLE.
Quit acting as if this world would be a better without good-hearted, Christian folks. The extreme vast majority of the Christians in America are not shoving nothing down anyones throat. We ALL have different opinions, and we have a system where we vote on what is right and wrong, as long as it does not go outside our Constitution...we ALL have as much right to disagree or agree....but, whether you like it or not, this Country WAS founded on Judeo Christian values and principals....just read the preamble to the Constitution of every State in this Nation.
I can tell you what, just try to stop this NUT from voting on principals that I think is best for this country... ;)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 27, 2010, 10:41:23 AM
Enough of the "YOU PEOPLE" bullshit!!....Not every Christian is a Jerry Falwell Bible thumper....I say "f" YOU PEOPLE.
Quit acting as if this world would be a better without good-hearted, Christian folks. The extreme vast majority of the Christians in America are not shoving nothing down anyones throat. We ALL have different opinions, and we have a system where we vote on what is right and wrong, as long as it does not go outside our Constitution...we ALL have as much right to disagree or agree....but, whether you like it or not, this Country WAS founded on Judeo Christian values and principals....just read the preamble to the Constitution of every State in this Nation.
I can tell you what, just try to stop this NUT from voting on principals that I think is best for this country... ;)
What did that general in World War II say when the Germans told him to surrender and the Battle of the Battle of the Battle of the Bulge, he said, NUTZ. And I say NUTZ to you.
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Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 27, 2010, 10:41:23 AM
...but, whether you like it or not, this Country WAS founded on Judeo Christian values and principals....
No, it wasn't but your continued insistence to the contrary is exactly the sort of shoving your religion down others' throats that earns your inclusion in the term "you people".
It WAS....EX, there is not even a real arguement against it....despite your self-profound IQ, and I honestly beleive that your are a very intelligent person, and you have provided some very provocative arguement on other subjects, this is NOT one that you can remotely prove enough concrete evidence to make anyone logical thinking to be persuaded. There is enough to prove that they WAS, very rooted with Judeo Christian beliefs.
Actually, there are absolutely valid arguments against what you claim; this article sums it up quite well (http://www.capitalismmagazine.com/culture/religion/3485-Judeo-Christian-Philosophy-and-the-Founding-America.html) (not that you'll probably read it or understand most of it if you do). One obvious question the article asks is if the U.S. was, in fact, founded on Judeo-Christian philosophy, why didn't it happen hundreds of years earlier when the chrurch's influence was much stronger than it was in 1776? The basis for our system of government and rule of law existed long before your religion did...your religion adopted and incorporated those principles, not the other way around.
Nice try at once again trying to push your religion off onto others with the claim that our country was founded on it, though. You people are always trying...
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 27, 2010, 01:58:04 PM
It WAS....EX, there is not even a real arguement against it....despite your self-profound IQ, and I honestly beleive that your are a very intelligent person, and you have provided some very provocative arguement on other subjects, this is NOT one that you can remotely prove enough concrete evidence to make anyone logical thinking to be persuaded. There is enough to prove that they WAS, very rooted with Judeo Christian beliefs.
Why did the Puritan's come to America? It was to get away from religious persecutions and what did they do, burn mainly women at the stake and drown them in dunking stools. They were so bad, or you would think so good, they drove the Catholics to Massachusetts to get away from them. Wow, their good people.
But these people did not form this country or write the Constitution. A group of whisky drinking rich boys who was tired of the King of England and the religious nuts, yes they had nuts back then.
In fact they wrote it to protect us from you people, the religious nuts.
Troll, do me a favor and read the preamble to ALL of our State Constitutions, on how the begin, and get back with me....
THAT says it ALL. ;)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 28, 2010, 06:14:10 PM
Troll, do me a favor and read the preamble to ALL of our State Constitutions, on how the begin, and get back with me....
THAT says it ALL. ;)
Pardon me Wizz Kid. After reading your above Post, I only thought Indiana had one constitiion and the Federal Government had only one constitition.
How many do we have and how many have you read. When you come up with a good answer and you have read of these many constitions, you get back to me. :rotfl: :rotfl: :bs:
Quote from: The Troll on August 28, 2010, 06:38:53 PM
Pardon me Wizz Kid. After reading your above Post, I only thought Indiana had one constitiion and the Federal Government had only one constitition.
How many do we have and how many have you read. When you come up with a good answer and you have read of these many constitions, you get back to me. :rotfl: :rotfl: :bs:
No, dufass....read each States Constitution's preamble and SEE exactly where THEY (our forefathers) put their trust into?....They was with out ANY doubt Judea Christian folks, who put their learned upbringings, and faith in God, into cornerstones of this nation....
do you want me to post them for you? I will make it easy for you...this has been verified...
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/g/god-constitutions.htm
guys, move on to another debate, because this one is easily OWNED by the hawk....
I read your religious bog, all that mean nothing. If this country was to be run Godly what in hell happened to it.
Especially under George W.. With God telling him to run for president and God telling to attack Iraq. And of all things, the separation between the church and the government in the Constitution. Who would guess that.
The only place you win is in your head. Well, Glen Beck will save you and your family. Good Luck.
it was NO blog troll, it was FACT, google it, ALL of our States, put GOD, in the preamble....because they believed God was an important of governing, and keeping citizens to a moral standard....
GEESH, what is so hard for you to understand this?.....seriously, FACTs can be hard for a fella like you to accept, but that my friend IS a solid FACT.... ;) :yes:
gotta go watch a movie with the kids....have a great evening Troll.....and don't forget to say your bedtime prayers.... :)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 28, 2010, 07:03:35 PM
No, dufass....read each States Constitution's preamble and SEE exactly where THEY (our forefathers) put their trust into?....They was with out ANY doubt Judea Christian folks, who put their learned upbringings, and faith in God, into cornerstones of this nation....
do you want me to post them for you? I will make it easy for you...this has been verified...
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/g/god-constitutions.htm
guys, move on to another debate, because this one is easily OWNED by the hawk....
Dummes Huhn,
1797 Treaty of Tripoli.
The government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion. President John Adams.
Quote from: The Troll on August 29, 2010, 08:13:36 AM
Dummes Huhn,
1797 Treaty of Tripoli.
The government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion. President John Adams.
Letter to F.a. Vander Kemp 7/30/1816
Ridiclule is the only weapon which can be wsed against unintelligible proposition. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them. And no man ever had the distinct idea of the Trinty. It is mere Abracadbra of the morintebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. Thomas Jefferson 7/30/1816
The Troll :no1: :biggrin:
Read the preambles to the State Constitutions...that's is ALL you need.
Maybe we don't advertise our selves as a "Christian" Nation...but facts are, we very much were.
read the preambles...
The Preambles of all 50 States Of The United States:
Alabama 1901, Preamble. We the people of the State of Alabama, invoking the favor and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish the following Constitution.
Alaska a 1956, Preamble. We, the people of Alaska, grateful to God and to those who founded our nation and pioneered this great land.
Arizona 1911, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Arizona, grateful to Almighty God for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution...
Arkansas 1874, Preamble . We, the people of the State of Arkansas, grateful to Almighty God for the privilege of choosing our own form of government...
California 1879, Preamble . We, the People of the State of California, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom. Colorado 1876, Preamble. We, the people of Colorado, with profound reverence for the Supreme Ruler of Universe.
Connecticut 1818, Preamble. The People of Connecticut, acknowledging with gratitude the good Providence of God in permitting them to enjoy.
Delaware 1897, Preamble. Through Divine Goodness all men have, by nature, the rights of worshippin g and serving their Creator according to the dictates of their consciences.
Florida 1885, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Florida, grateful to Almighty God for our constitutional liberty, establish this Constitution...
Georgia 1777, Preamble . We, the people of Georgia, relying upon protection and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish this Constitution...
Hawaii 1959, Preamble. We, the people of Hawaii, Grateful for Divine Guidance . Establish this Constitution.
Idaho 1889, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Idaho, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings.
Illinois 18 70, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Illinois, grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy and looking to Him for a blessing on our endeavors.
Indiana 1851, Preamble. We, the People of the State of Indiana, grateful to Almighty God for the free exercise of the right to choose our form of government.
Iowa 1857, Preamble We, the People of the State of Iowa, grateful to the Supreme Being for the blessings hitherto enjoyed, and feeling our dependence on Him for a continuation of these blessings establish this Constitution.
Kansas 1859, Preamble. We, the people of Kansas, grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious privileges establish this Constitution.
Kentucky 1891, Preamble. We, the people of the Commonwealth (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1687361/posts#) are grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties...
Louisiana 1921, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Louisiana, grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties we enjoy.
Maine 1820, Preamble. We the People of Maine acknowledging with grateful hearts the goodness of the Sovereign Ruler of the Universe in affording us an opportunity (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1687361/posts#) ... And imploring His aid and direction.
Maryland 1776, Preamble We, the people of the state of Maryland, grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious liberty...
Massachusetts 1780, Preamble. We...the people of Massachusetts, acknowledging with grateful hearts, the goodness of the Great Legislator of the Universe .. In the course of His Providence, an opportunity and devoutly imploring His direction ..
Michigan 1908, Preamble le. We, the people of the State of Michigan, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of freedom establish this Constitution.
Minnesota, 1857, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Minnesota, grateful to God for our civil and religious liberty, and desiring to perpetuate its blessings:
Mississippi 1890, Preamble. We, the people of Mississippi in convention assembled, grateful to Almighty God, and invoking His blessing on our work.
Missouri 1845, Preamble. We, the people of Missouri, with profound reverence for the Supreme Ruler of the Universe, and grateful for His goodness . Establish this Constitution .
Montana 1889, Preamble.
We, the people of Montana, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of liberty establish this Constitution ..
Nebraska 1875, Preamble. We, the people, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom . Establish this Constitution.
Nevada 1864, Preamble. We the people of the State of Nevada, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom establish this Constitution .
New Hampshire 1792, Part I. Art. I. Sec. V. Every i ndividual has a natural and unalienable right to worship God according to the dictates of his own conscience.
New Jersey 1844, Preamble. We, the people of the State of New Jersey, grateful to Almighty God for civil and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing on our endeav ors.
New Mexico 1911, Preamble. We, the People of New Mexico, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of liberty
New York 1846, Preamble. We, the people of the State of New York, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, in order to secure its blessings.
North Carolina 1868, Preamble. We the people of the State of North Carolina, grateful to Almighty God, the Sovereign Ruler of Nations, for our civil, political, and religious liberties, and acknowledging our dependence upon Him for the continuance of those
North Dakota 1889, Preamble. We , the people of North Dakota, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, do ordain...
Ohio 1852, Preamble. We the people of the state of Ohio, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings and to promote our common
Oklahoma 1907, Preamble. Invoking the guidance of Almighty God, in order to secure and perpetuate the blessings of liberty ... establish this
Oregon 1857, Bill of Rights, Article I. Section 2. All men shall be secure in the Natural right, to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their consciences..
Pennsylvania 1776, Preamble We, the people of Pennsylvania, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, and humbly invoking His guidance
Rhode Island
1842, Preamble. We the People of the State of Rhode Island grateful to Almighty God for the civil and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy, and looking t o Him for a blessing
South Carolina, 1778, Preamble. We, the people of he State of South Carolina grateful to God for our liberties, do ordain and establish this Constitution.
South Dakota 1889, Preamble. We, the people of South Dakota, grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious liberties .
Tennessee 1796, Art. XI.III. That all men have a natural and indefeasible right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their conscience..
Texas 1845, Preamble. We the People of the Republic of Texas, acknowledging, with gratitude, the grace and beneficence of God.
Utah 1896, Preamble. Grateful to Almighty God for life and liberty, we establish this Constitution.
Vermont 1777, Preamble. Whereas all government ought to enable the individuals who compose it to enjoy their natural rights, and other blessings which the Author of Existence has bestowed on man ..
Virginia 1776, Bill of Rights, XVI Religion, or the Duty which we owe our Creator can be directed only by Reason and that it is the mutual duty of all to practice Christian Forbearance, Love and Charity towards each other .
Washington 1889, Preamble. We the People of the State of Washington, grateful to the Supreme Ruler of the Universe for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution
West Virginia 1872, Preamble. Since through Divine Providence we enjoy the blessings of civil, political and religious liberty, we, the people of West Virginia reaffirm our faith in and constant reliance upon God ..
Wisconsin 1848, Preamble. We, the people of Wisconsin, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, domestic tranquility
Wyoming 1890, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Wyoming, grateful to God for our civil, political, and religious liberties .. establish this Constitution.
I'm just sayin...... :yes: ;)
"Those people who will not be governed by God will be ruled by tyrants." William Penn
Almighty God
Supreme Ruler of Universe
Through Divine Goodness all men have, by nature, the rights of worshippin g and serving their Creator
Supreme Being
Great Legislator of the Universe
unalienable right to worship God
the Sovereign Ruler of Nations
Author of Existence
With the exception of Virginia with its ". . .mutual duty of all to practice Christian Forbearance, Love and Charity towards each other . . ." phrasing, (which I suggest right here could be found to be unconstitutional), NONE of your sources say anything about said "creator, being, etc., being of Christian descent or any sect for that matter. About the only thing that can be said about this is the fact that every state acknowledges the existence of a "higher being or power", and that it is each citizens choice as to how to worship said being, or choose not to!
That being the case, just how is it wrong for any religion to build a place of learning, fellowship, worship, and prayer 2 blocks from ground zero of the 9/11 attack site, when the Oklahoma City attack site contains Christian religious symbols???? Especially when the Oklahoma City attack itself was perpetrated by a Christian!
the people in Oklahoma are NOT upset by any Christian symbol that was placed there....the people IN New York, do not believe THAT spot is a good place to start building bridges between folks....why is it so hard for you to understand this?
and as far as Christian Nation....let me put it this way.....Our forefathers was CLEARLY, Godly men...enough to have GOD mentioned, and to honor Him and give THANKS to him....the religion of choice back then was predominately Christian...so, YOU do the math....
why do you feel the need to argue this, when it is SO obvious that it is what it is.....
Nobody today is putting any guns to anybody's head making them a Christian....but, respecting our heritage IS important to most Americans.....and that heritage WAS a fact that they believed in God, and felt it important to realize that our Liberties was because of God.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 29, 2010, 11:28:07 AM
the people in Oklahoma are NOT upset by any Christian symbol that was placed there....the people IN New York, do not believe THAT spot is a good place to start building bridges between folks....why is it so hard for you to understand this?
I am never understanding or tolerant of the practices of religious bigotry! What is so hard for you to understand about that?
(And the 9/11 victims families are split 50 / 50 over the acceptability)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 29, 2010, 11:28:07 AM
and as far as Christian Nation....let me put it this way.....Our forefathers was CLEARLY, Godly men...enough to have GOD mentioned, and to honor Him and give THANKS to him....the religion of choice back then was predominately Christian...so, YOU do the math....
So, what about the tens of thousands of Native Americans they slaughtered? Were they Christian too? :rolleyes: They were not all Christians. . .
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 29, 2010, 11:28:07 AM
why do you feel the need to argue this, when it is SO obvious that it is what it is.....
Yes, religious bigotry!
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 29, 2010, 11:28:07 AM
Nobody today is putting any guns to anybody's head making them a Christian....but, respecting our heritage IS important to most Americans.....and that heritage WAS a fact that they believed in God, and felt it important to realize that our Liberties was because of God.
Makes one wonder why they chose to incorporate vague terminology to refer to a higher being. . . Could it be because endorsement of ANY religion by government is unconstitutional?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 29, 2010, 11:28:07 AM
Nobody today is putting any guns to anybody's head making them a Christian....but, respecting our heritage IS important to most Americans.....and that heritage WAS a fact that they believed in God, and felt it important to realize that our Liberties was because of God.
Why are YOU PEOPLE not putting a gun to our head, is. Because YOU PEOPLE (YP) are not in power.
If YOU PEOPLE (YP) were in power, first YP would take a woman's freedom away from her. YP, would bring back the Religious Police, check into people bedrooms, if they had Porno, Sunday would be shut down, a person could only go to Church on Sunday. And if your were caught working on Sunday, YP would do just like they did in the bible. Find a man gathering fire wood and YP stoned him to death. WOW. Maybe if I was lucky I would get to kiss YP's ring. Somebody say Amen.
I don't want any religion running and controlling this country. But YP never give up. I wouldn't trust YP as far as I could throw my house.
More liberal propaganda bullshit.... :rolleyes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 29, 2010, 05:51:09 PM
More liberal propaganda bullshit.... :rolleyes:
Well you people are the bullshit eaters. Republican Party and Fox News puts it out and you eat it. Yummmmm, Yummmm. :chick:
Quote from: Palehorse on August 29, 2010, 11:37:25 AM
I am never understanding or tolerant of the practices of religious bigotry! What is so hard for you to understand about that?
(And the 9/11 victims families are split 50 / 50 over the acceptability)
So, what about the tens of thousands of Native Americans they slaughtered? Were they Christian too? :rolleyes: They were not all Christians. . .
Yes, religious bigotry!
Makes one wonder why they chose to incorporate vague terminology to refer to a higher being. . . Could it be because endorsement of ANY religion by government is unconstitutional?
QuoteSALINA, KS—Local man Scott Gentries told reporters Wednesday that his deliberately limited grasp of Islamic history and culture was still more than sufficient to shape his views of the entire Muslim world.
Gentries, 48, said he had absolutely no interest in exposing himself to further knowledge of Islamic civilization or putting his sweeping opinions into a broader context of any kind, and confirmed he was "perfectly happy" to make a handful of emotionally charged words the basis of his mistrust toward all members of the world's second-largest religion.
"I learned all that really matters about the Muslim faith on 9/11," Gentries said in reference to the terrorist attacks on the United States undertaken by 19 of Islam's approximately 1.6 billion practitioners. "What more do I need to know to stigmatize Muslims everywhere as inherently violent radicals?"
"And now they want to build a mosque at Ground Zero," continued Gentries, eliminating any distinction between the 9/11 hijackers and Muslims in general. "No, I won't examine the accuracy of that statement, but yes, I will allow myself to be outraged by it and use it as evidence of these people's universal callousness toward Americans who lost loved ones when the Twin Towers fell."
"Even though I am not one of those people," he added.
When told that the proposed "Ground Zero mosque" is actually a community center two blocks north of the site that would include, in addition to a public prayer space, a 500-seat auditorium, a restaurant, and athletic facilities, Gentries shook his head and said, "I know all I'm going to let myself know."
Man Already Knows Everything He needs to about Muslims - the Onion (http://www.theonion.com/articles/man-already-knows-everything-he-needs-to-know-abou,17990/)
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For a while, you scared me, I thought you were talking.......:chick:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 25, 2010, 09:57:14 AM
"what YOU people"?...f you Olias!! I can care less what the folks in TN are bitchin about....that is there battle, and maybe they are just plain rednecks, I don't know nor do I give a crap....but, this act on 9/11 was an attack on ALL Americans....and I DO give a crap about what is going on with this inman and his "little" plan he has.
liberals are the most obnoxious, egotistical, self-centered "people" I have ever known....stick that in your pipe....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 25, 2010, 01:10:13 PM
my only objection is this particular inman, what is his real motives.....like I said, IF they was wanting to build a "real" bridge, they could leave out the mosque or add a church, a synagoge and places of worship for others.....he didn't.
It is my formed opinion that there is more to his motives...if THAT makes me a bigot (in your opinion)....that is no skin off of my behind....I am not going to be a wussy, and go along with something that I think is wrong...because I "Might" offend someone.