Arizona Pastor Prays That Obama 'Will Die And Go To Hell'
http://www.propeller.com/story/2009/08/25/arizona-pastor-prays-that-obama-39will-die-and-go-to-hell39/ (http://www.propeller.com/story/2009/08/25/arizona-pastor-prays-that-obama-39will-die-and-go-to-hell39/)
Steven Anderson, the right-wing pastor from Tempe who said he was abused by authorities at an Arizona checkpoint in April, caught the attention of MSNBC for his hate-filled, anti-Obama extremist.
"Arizona, what is your deal?" wonders "Pareene" of the NYC-based Gawker.com, who also references the recent gun parade that took place during Obama's rally at the Phoenix Convention Center. "Is the heat making you crazy?"
In a sermon of Anderson's played by the news channel, Anderson says he prays that Obama will "die and go to hell."
Well since there is no hell, and no heaven, no God and no Satan, you really shouldn't care whether or not this guy is an asshole. I mean, he's not harming anyone by praying to nobody, right?
Very well said, Pariann..... :food4:
That is completely off the point.
When this kind of rhetoric takes hold on the certifiable whacknuts out there, it begs the question "When is someone who is already close to the edge going to teeter over and try to carry out what he/she will perceive as being an order from god which (the defense will be) was funneled through the pastor nutbag as a mouthpiece?"
This doesn't cause even a smidgen of concern for the possible action of all of those self-righteous 'murikins out there?
Causes me to take a moment for reflection.
Causes me to say, the message can get out just as well from jail as it does while free. Do you think prison walls ever came between the mouthpiece and the end result?
Usually when they're in jail they don't get quite as much press.
Quote from: followsthewolf on August 28, 2009, 08:26:23 PM
Usually when they're in jail they don't get quite as much press.
why should a guy go to jail for praying?........that is all he did.....though he DID pray for the death of the POTUS...that is NOT against the law....nor should he have been roughed up by security.
he may very well be a nutcase....but, there is a LONG line of nutcases out there.....
FTW,
I wonder if you think that Manson hasn't had much press since he's been in prison. There's a nutcase.
I also wonder if you don't think that people still hear the words of the other nuts that are in prison. Look at all the hits that are carried out on behalf of those that are locked up.
Putting someone in jail doesn't silence them. It just means they have to be a little more creative in getting their word out. If you've never been by a county jail, where the inmates can look out their windows and see you, you should go sometime, hang out and hear the messages that are yelled out the windows. My daughter, 19, was given a message by my oldest daughters husband a few weeks ago, when she had reason to go to the county jail on another matter. My son-in-law told her, yelling out the windows, tell your sister to answer my calls, or I'll kill you when I get out. Nope, jails don't prevent nutjobs from passing along their message.
Another question, how many of the people who have tried to take out, or have succeeded in killing, presidents made public announcement of their views before doing so? And how many of them said they did it because someone else suggested it?
Quote from: pariann on August 28, 2009, 08:55:34 PM
FTW,
I wonder if you think that Manson hasn't had much press since he's been in prison. There's a nutcase.
I also wonder if you don't think that people still hear the words of the other nuts that are in prison. Look at all the hits that are carried out on behalf of those that are locked up.
Putting someone in jail doesn't silence them. It just means they have to be a little more creative in getting their word out. If you've never been by a county jail, where the inmates can look out their windows and see you, you should go sometime, hang out and hear the messages that are yelled out the windows. My daughter, 19, was given a message by my oldest daughters husband a few weeks ago, when she had reason to go to the county jail on another matter. My son-in-law told her, yelling out the windows, tell your sister to answer my calls, or I'll kill you when I get out. Nope, jails don't prevent nutjobs from passing along their message.
Another question, how many of the people who have tried to take out, or have succeeded in killing, presidents made public announcement of their views before doing so? And how many of them said they did it because someone else suggested it?
No, you really don't understand. This guy isn't just praying that obama die, he is inciting his nutjob followers to kill obama. You haven't heard all he has said and I can't find it all, but one of his followers showed up at an obama health care town hall with two AK's strapped to his back.
(http://www.bettybowers.com/graphics/stoned.gif)
It's not the nutjob that needs to be in jail then. it's the nutjob followers who come to town hall meetings armed to kill. Someone needs to explain to me why others follow the wishes of someone else, when they KNOW what they are doing can remove them from society or life.
I've said many times I wish someone would die. And meant it. But I would certainly not expect anyone to act on my wishes. AND if they did, I sure wouldn't want to be blamed because another whacko did the deed.
Quote from: dan foster on August 28, 2009, 08:57:49 PM
No, you really don't understand. This guy isn't just praying that obama die, he is inciting his nutjob followers to kill obama. You haven't heard all he has said and I can't find it all, but one of his followers showed up at an obama health care town hall with two AK's strapped to his back.
Prove this one....I think YOUR a nutjob.... ;D ...I'm thinking IF this was true and somebody was packing two AK's to a town hall of Obama's....this MIGHT just make the news.....so far, the guy has done NOTHING wrong but piss YOU off...because HE has a belief in something that YOU don't.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 28, 2009, 09:02:22 PM
Prove this one....I think YOUR a nutjob.... ;D ...I'm thinking IF this was true and somebody was packing two AK's to a town hall of Obama's....this MIGHT just make the news.....so far, the guy has done NOTHING wrong but piss YOU off...because HE has a belief in something that YOU don't.
The assholes packing guns to obama town halls have been all over the news, you fucking dolt.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 28, 2009, 09:02:22 PM
Prove this one....I think YOUR a nutjob.... ;D ...I'm thinking IF this was true and somebody was packing two AK's to a town hall of Obama's....this MIGHT just make the news.....so far, the guy has done NOTHING wrong but piss YOU off...because HE has a belief in something that YOU don't.
By the way, I think it is intersting that your avatar indicates that you are a POOF. Anderson wants you dead, right now!
"As you can hear, this is pure eliminationism with a Biblical veneer. First he demands that all gays and lesbians face the death penalty:"
-- Anderson
Henry....sometime you need to give your nemesis posters on here a break. He said he's looking for the information that would serve as proof. Read between his lines. .............as well, I'm sorry, but it's just not very Christian to wish people would die and go to hell. You are supposed to love your brothers, and pray for their souls to find God. (At least that's what I learned growing up.)
But I do need to repeat. LOCKING UP A NUTJOB DOES, NOT STOP HIS MESSAGE FROM GETTING OUT!! Now that he's in the media with his view, if he were to be detained as a traitor, or a leader of traitors, that would just spur his followers to continue trying to make his prayers come true.
Quote from: dan foster on August 28, 2009, 09:04:32 PM
The assholes packing guns to obama town halls have been all over the news, you fucking dolt.
then it should be REAL easy for you to PROVE it then.... :yes:
Quote from: pariann on August 28, 2009, 09:08:19 PM
Henry....sometime you need to give your nemesis posters on here a break. He said he's looking for the information that would serve as proof. Read between his lines. .............as well, I'm sorry, but it's just not very Christian to wish people would die and go to hell. You are supposed to love your brothers, and pray for their souls to find God. (At least that's what I learned growing up.)
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Whoa!! hold the phone sista!! I NEVER said I agreed with this guy (the pastor)....and it IS very wrong, imo, to wish such a thing on ANYBODY, and I would never think it on anyone...I honestly DO love my brothers...even Dan and ex....seriously, I do...they piss me off, but I still would NEVER wish nothing bad on them....I do pray for them.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 28, 2009, 09:12:41 PM
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Whoa!! hold the phone sista!! I NEVER said I agreed with this guy (the pastor)....and it IS very wrong, imo, to wish such a thing on ANYBODY, and I would never think it on anyone...I honestly DO love my brothers...even Dan and ex....seriously, I do...they piss me off, but I still would NEVER wish nothing bad on them....I do pray for them.
I didn't mean you personally, I meant you collectively, all Christians.
Quote from: pariann on August 28, 2009, 09:25:19 PM
I didn't mean you personally, I meant you collectively, all Christians.
and I agree.....In my opinion...these kind of 'so-called' Christians are missing the boat, by a long shot....it only takes one bad apple to spoil the cart....but there are thousands of carts out there that have great apples.....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 28, 2009, 09:09:10 PM
then it should be REAL easy for you to PROVE it then.... :yes:
FUCK!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIbGdt_LFbw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIbGdt_LFbw)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkYIYBFWyy8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkYIYBFWyy8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZDBYAB-atI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZDBYAB-atI)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0Tas00WZ0Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0Tas00WZ0Q)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTmS0OHnTLw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTmS0OHnTLw)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pvvfCxw7N8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pvvfCxw7N8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aViw8qsi93U (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aViw8qsi93U)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS9uLOqRkRU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS9uLOqRkRU)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clLzCRbjbnk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clLzCRbjbnk)
By the way, this son of a bitch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkYIYBFWyy8) is a member of anderson's congregation.
this is not something NEW (http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=621) Einstein...they was doing the same crap when Bush was in office and Clinton and Bush and Reagan and....c'mon dufass...
btw, I was referring to the two guys that was followers of this steven guy....that you said had two AK's stapped to them....
Well if ya ask me, and ya didnt, I think the guy can exercise his right to free speech. If you are a nutbag, then you will feed on it. If you arent one, you will shake your head at the dumbness, and continue on to Wallyworld or wherever.
And if you are dumb enough to go to a town hall meeting with guns strapped on, you might want to make sure that the "strapping firearms and going into a public venue" is not addressed in your life insurance policy. And you might wanna tape your lawyers phone number to your forehead so someone can notify your heirs. I f that did happen, and I aint sayin it didnt, it seems like there would be people pointing and yelling "he has a gun!", and that the nice police officers would slam his butt onto the ground (more than once) during the ensuing pandimonium.
I believe that is what I was essentially getting to. If a nutbag has a voice...no matter where he is, those that believe in what he has to say....are going to hear it, no matter where they are.
Yeah buddy
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 28, 2009, 09:39:55 PM
this is not something NEW (http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=621) Einstein...they was doing the same crap when Bush was in office and Clinton and Bush and Reagan and....c'mon dufass...
btw, I was referring to the two guys that was followers of this steven guy....that you said had two AK's stapped to them....
Yeah. Same thing. Right.
This guy is an anderson follower:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkYIYBFWyy8