The email going around, usually has pics of "the evidence", but I have omitted them for "my convenience".
The email:
House #1
A 20 room mansion (not including 8 bathrooms) heated by natural gas. Add on a pool (and a pool house) and a separate guest house, all heated by gas. In one month this residence consumes more energy than the average American household does in a year. The average bill for electricity and natural gas runs over $2400 per month. In natural gas alone, this property consumes more than 20 times the national average for an American home. This house is not situated in a Northern or Midwestern "snow belt" area. It's in the South.
House #2
Designed by an architecture professor at a leading national university. This house incorporates every "green" feature current home construction can provide. The house is 4,000 square feet (4 bedrooms) and is nestled on a high prairie in the American southwest. A central closet in the house holds geothermal heat-pumps drawing ground water through pipes sunk 300 feet into the ground.
The water (usually 67 degrees F) heats the house in the winter and cools it in the summer. The system uses no fossil fuels such as oil or natural gas and it consumes one-quarter electricity required for a conventional heating/cooling system. Rainwater from the roof is collected and funneled into a 25,000 gallon underground cistern. Wastewater from showers, sinks and toilets goes into underground purifying tanks and then into the cistern. The collected water then irrigates the land surrounding the house. Surrounding flowers and shrubs native to the area enable the property to blend into the surrounding rural landscape.
~~~~~
HOUSE #1 is outside of Nashville, Tennessee;
it is the abode of the "environmentalist" Al Gore.
HOUSE #2 is on a ranch near Crawford, Texas;
it is the residence of ex President of the United States, George W. Bush.
An "inconvenient truth."
NOW, THE TRUTH:
Bush lives in Dallas in a $2M upscale home with all its wastefulness, included. He sold the "prop" Crawford ranch (used for his cowboy image) just before leaving office, just as he had bought it just before getting elected in 2000. It was a sham and the people that thought he was "real" will also believe the attached email. Sad. The son-of-a-bitch was even afraid of horses. Cowboy, my ass.
:biggrin:
:biggrin:
dan foster posted:
"Cowboy, my ass."
Please, dan, after Brokeback Mountain I shudder when I hear the words "cowboy" and "my ass" juxtaposed.
:biggrin: :biggrin:
Quote from: followsthewolf on July 01, 2009, 09:29:56 PM
dan foster posted:
"Cowboy, my ass."
Please, dan, after Brokeback Mountain I shudder when I hear the words "cowboy" and "my ass" juxtaposed.
;D ;D
Quote from: followsthewolf on July 01, 2009, 09:29:56 PM
dan foster posted:
"Cowboy, my ass."
Please, dan, after Brokeback Mountain I shudder when I hear the words "cowboy" and "my ass" juxtaposed.
Thanks for the laugh. Not my cup of tea, either; "not that there is anything wrong with that" :smile:
the whole point of the story was NOT about Bush as much as it was about Gore.....
Gore is the one telling us that we need to be more GREEN...then not only does he live in the house described here, but he jets all over the world telling people how they should live THEIR lives.....
The whole point of this thread is that neocons are lying scum.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 02, 2009, 08:30:32 AM
The whole point of this thread is that neocons are Al Gore is a lying scum.
THERE!... :yes:
No, it was right the first time and this sort of bullshit is typical...there's no real story so you just make one up.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 02, 2009, 08:56:16 AM
No, it was right the first time and this sort of bullshit is typical...there's no real story so you just make one up.
your buddy dan started the story.....i simply commented on it.....I, did not make anything up......and, I am RIGHT with my statement....nothing at all, made-up.... :no: ;)
You're the queen of spreading bad information. :razz:
Does Mr. Gore live in a large house that consumes more energy than the majority of middle class people do? Does he not tell us we need to conserve, use less energy, lower our heat in winter, raise our air conditioning in summer? Mr. Bush may live in a high energy consuming house, but he hasn't yet told me I can't have my house warm enough to be comfortable in the winter.
Quote from: Anne on July 02, 2009, 10:31:17 AM
Mr. Bush may live in a high energy consuming house, but he hasn't yet told me I can't have my house warm enough to be comfortable in the winter.
And Gore told you that when?
Quote from: Anne on July 02, 2009, 10:31:17 AM
Does Mr. Gore live in a large house that consumes more energy than the majority of middle class people do? Does he not tell us we need to conserve, use less energy, lower our heat in winter, raise our air conditioning in summer? Mr. Bush may live in a high energy consuming house, but he hasn't yet told me I can't have my house warm enough to be comfortable in the winter.
It may come as a shock to you that Mr. Gore, as a high ranking dignitary of the US, would find the average middle class home totally inappropriate for his needs. To pretend that any past president or vice president's home/travel/etc. in anyway compares to yours and mine is laughable. :rolleyes:
If I recall correctly, when this tripe first started making the rounds, the Gore house was undergoing a massive renovation aimed at "Greening" it up. Am I correct?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22248699/
Indeedy..
now, you all were saying?
Quote from: Gryphon on July 02, 2009, 11:07:19 AM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22248699/
Indeedy..
now, you all were saying?
:biggrin:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 02, 2009, 08:26:03 AM
the whole point of the story was NOT about Bush as much as it was about Gore.....
Gore is the one telling us that we need to be more GREEN...then not only does he live in the house described here, but he jets all over the world telling people how they should live THEIR lives.....
Henry, Henry, Henry!
I thought you would have learned from the "luxury prison" lie that you shouldn't believe or defend such trash as this.
Quote from: Bo D on July 02, 2009, 11:25:46 AM
Henry, Henry, Henry!
I thought you would have learned from the "luxury prison" lie that you shouldn't believe or defend such trash as this.
Read for yourself, BO, BO, BO... (http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/house.asp)... ;) :razz:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 02, 2009, 11:40:00 AM
Read for yourself, BO, BO, BO... (http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/house.asp)... ;) :razz:
Yeah, yeah ... and once upon a time the Earth was flat.
You just gotta read the dates to make sure you have the latest news.
Your article - last updated March 2007
rebuffed by http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22248699/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22248699/) (thanks to Gryphon) - dated December 13, 2007
Quote from: Bo D on July 02, 2009, 11:53:30 AM
Yeah, yeah ... and once upon a time the Earth was flat.
You just gotta read the dates to make sure you have the latest news.
Your article - last updated March 2007
rebuffed by http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22248699/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22248699/) (thanks to Gryphon) - dated December 13, 2007
Well hell yes he did something about it...........
AFTER snope's busted him.......he had to do something.
Isn't it great how you can hold it up, point at it and call it ignorance (and prove it) and they will still embrace it? Serious WTF... :rolleyes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 02, 2009, 12:13:36 PM
Well hell yes he did something about it...........AFTER snope's busted him.......he had to do something.
Henry, for Pete's sake, try using that birdbrain of yours.
They bought the house in 2002.
How long do you think renovations like that would take on an 80-year old house?
"Shinn said Gore's renovations are impressive because his home, which is more than 80 years old, had to meet the same rigorous standards as new construction."
Do you think they just went in and did it all at once?
"The Gores decided to take a series of steps over time "
Of course, all that was in the article and you could have read it yourself, but noooooo .... you would rather not face the truth.
Quote from: Bo D on July 02, 2009, 12:24:03 PM
Of course, all that was in the article and if you could have read.
FTFY!
Quote from: Exterminator on July 02, 2009, 12:14:58 PM
Isn't it great how you can hold it up, point at it and call it ignorance (and prove it) and they will still still embrace it? Serious WTF... :rolleyes:
That conversation with the bank must have thrown you off. You seem to be suffering from redundancy.
:wink:
What do you mean? What do you mean?
Again, had the poster read the article, he would have noted that the house was undergoing its renovation BEFORE the criticism it received.
"In February, a conservative think tank criticized Gore for using an average of 16,000 kilowatt hours a month for an average monthly bill of $1,206 in 2006. The typical Nashville home uses about 1,300 kilowatt hours a month.
Gore has said the criticism was unfair because the 10,000-square-foot mansion was undergoing extensive remodeling."
Just guessing, but I wonder if the massive energy use the conservative think tank (chuckle!) quotes was DURING construction. As anyone who has had to pay the utilities while living through something like that, it does tend to run up the bill.
That email landed in my inbox more times than I care to remember, usually accompanied by photos of two houses...neither of which belonged to Gore.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 02, 2009, 10:33:52 AM
And Gore told you that when?
In many of his speeches he states we (the masses) need to conserve, lower our thermostats in winter, run our air conditioning less to use less energy, the same as President Obama says. Wonder what the thermostats are set at in his house.
Quote from: Gryphon on July 02, 2009, 11:06:17 AM
It may come as a shock to you that Mr. Gore, as a high ranking dignitary of the US, would find the average middle class home totally inappropriate for his needs. To pretend that any past president or vice president's home/travel/etc. in anyway compares to yours and mine is laughable. :rolleyes:
If I recall correctly, when this tripe first started making the rounds, the Gore house was undergoing a massive renovation aimed at "Greening" it up. Am I correct?
I am not saying he should not have his big fancy house, just that he is in no psition to dictate conservation to the rest of us who use far less energy than he does. Also the "letter" was correct in the fact that he does live in a large house that used a lot of energy.
He isn't dictating anything. He is pointing out that "we" (the people on this planet) have some choices to make and time is running out. YOU can't do much about the problem. It will take gov't action and ALL of us. We will all participate, whether we like it or not, including gore.
Quote from: dan foster on July 01, 2009, 08:09:05 PM
The email going around, usually has pics of "the evidence", but I have omitted them for "my convenience".
The email:
House #1
A 20 room mansion (not including 8 bathrooms) heated by natural gas. Add on a pool (and a pool house) and a separate guest house, all heated by gas. In one month this residence consumes more energy than the average American household does in a year. The average bill for electricity and natural gas runs over $2400 per month. In natural gas alone, this property consumes more than 20 times the national average for an American home. This house is not situated in a Northern or Midwestern "snow belt" area. It's in the South.
House #2
Designed by an architecture professor at a leading national university. This house incorporates every "green" feature current home construction can provide. The house is 4,000 square feet (4 bedrooms) and is nestled on a high prairie in the American southwest. A central closet in the house holds geothermal heat-pumps drawing ground water through pipes sunk 300 feet into the ground.
The water (usually 67 degrees F) heats the house in the winter and cools it in the summer. The system uses no fossil fuels such as oil or natural gas and it consumes one-quarter electricity required for a conventional heating/cooling system. Rainwater from the roof is collected and funneled into a 25,000 gallon underground cistern. Wastewater from showers, sinks and toilets goes into underground purifying tanks and then into the cistern. The collected water then irrigates the land surrounding the house. Surrounding flowers and shrubs native to the area enable the property to blend into the surrounding rural landscape.
~~~~~
HOUSE #1 is outside of Nashville, Tennessee;
it is the abode of the "environmentalist" Al Gore.
HOUSE #2 is on a ranch near Crawford, Texas;
it is the residence of ex President of the United States, George W. Bush.
An "inconvenient truth."
NOW, THE TRUTH:
Bush lives in Dallas in a $2M upscale home with all its wastefulness, included. He sold the "prop" Crawford ranch (used for his cowboy image) just before leaving office, just as he had bought it just before getting elected in 2000. It was a sham and the people that thought he was "real" will also believe the attached email. Sad. The son-of-a-bitch was even afraid of horses. Cowboy, my ass.
Do I detect just a tiny bit of envy that Bush is able to afford such a fine home? The ranch a sham...what a joke!
Quote from: dan foster on July 05, 2009, 12:34:31 PM
He isn't dictating anything. He is pointing out that "we" (the people on this planet) have some choices to make and time is running out. YOU can't do much about the problem. It will take gov't action and ALL of us. We will all participate, whether we like it or not, including gore.
Gore has the money to purchase carbon credits, from his own company I might add, so he can do exactly as he pleases and doesn't have to conserve.
Quote from: me on July 05, 2009, 01:57:56 PM
Gore has the money to purchase carbon credits, from his own company I might add, so he can do exactly as he pleases and doesn't have to conserve.
How praiseworthy that at least
this particular wealthy politician believes it is necessary for him to sacrifice a little comfort and convenience and make the hard choices for himself and his family that he asks for from the citizenry. Don't see that often from the ruling class -- and certainly not for the past eight years.
Quote from: LOsborne on July 05, 2009, 04:18:11 PM
How praiseworthy that at least this particular wealthy politician believes it is necessary for him to sacrifice a little comfort and convenience and make the hard choices for himself and his family that he asks for from the citizenry. Don't see that often from the ruling class -- and certainly not for the past eight years.
No he has just paid himself to waste as usual.
Non sequitur. I'm not even sure it's English.
Quote from: LOsborne on July 05, 2009, 07:12:07 PM
Non sequitur. I'm not even sure it's English.
were you talking about Gore or Obama in that statement?
Quotefrom: LOsborne on Today at 04:18:11 PM
How praiseworthy that at least this particular wealthy politician believes it is necessary for him to sacrifice a little comfort and convenience and make the hard choices for himself and his family that he asks for from the citizenry. Don't see that often from the ruling class -- and certainly not for the past eight years.
If you were talking about Obama he was nice and cozy this winter with the thermostat sat higher than any President has ever had it set while the rest of us were being asked to turn our thermostats down. That excuse about where he was born sure didn't fly with me since he had been living in Chicago for years.
How come you know what his thermostat was set on, and I don't?
Quote from: me on July 05, 2009, 08:53:24 PM
were you talking about Gore or Obama in that statement?
I was talking about the gibberish you posted just under it.
Quote from: pariann on July 05, 2009, 09:02:59 PM
How come you know what his thermostat was set on, and I don't?
And this is from a far left leaning paper who loves Obama
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/29/obama-cranks-up-white-hou_n_162127.html
Quote from: LOsborne on July 05, 2009, 10:18:57 PM
I was talking about the gibberish you posted just under it.
He owns the company that gets his money for carbon credits. He is paying himself.... :razz:
Quote from: me on July 05, 2009, 10:20:26 PM
And this is from a far left leaning paper who loves Obama
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/29/obama-cranks-up-white-hou_n_162127.html
Hmmm, I didn't see a specific temperature setting there, BUT there is a lot of play in the temp of a growing orchid:
IDEAL TEMPERATURES FOR ORCHIDS
COOL
Max. Day 80 oF (27 oC)
Min. Night 50 oF (10 oC)
INTERMEDIATE
Max. Day 85 oF (30 oC)
Min. Night 55 oF (13 oC)
WARM
Max. Day 90 oF (32 oC)
Min. Night 60 oF (15 oC)
Quote from: pariann on July 05, 2009, 09:02:59 PM
How come you know what his thermostat was set on, and I don't?
She makes it up as she goes along. :rolleyes:
And the warm fuzzys are once again in play. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on July 06, 2009, 08:46:21 AM
She makes it up as she goes along. :rolleyes:
I don't think she made it up. Since I read the article too. I just didn't see how high the thermostat was set. Only that it was warm enough to grow orchids. So I looked to see what the temp was for growing orchids, and it would appear to me...there is quite the range of temps there. Warm in the winter for me is 80 degrees. And if I could adjust the kerosene heaters to insure I could be that warm. I would. I still feel cold at 68 degrees and hate being anywhere that people have their temps set at that.
Quote from: me on July 06, 2009, 10:38:30 AM
And the warm fuzzys are once again in play. :rolleyes:
* fuzzies
:rolleyes: indeed.
Quote from: pariann on July 06, 2009, 10:45:47 AM
I don't think she made it up. Since I read the article too. I just didn't see how high the thermostat was set. Only that it was warm enough to grow orchids. So I looked to see what the temp was for growing orchids, and it would appear to me...there is quite the range of temps there. Warm in the winter for me is 80 degrees. And if I could adjust the kerosene heaters to insure I could be that warm. I would. I still feel cold at 68 degrees and hate being anywhere that people have their temps set at that.
Well since there was no temperature setting given and orchids do grow at such a range, what would lead one to the conclusion that it was necessarily warmer? Having had several orchids growing and blooming in my own home during the past winter, I can assure you they do quite well in cooler temperatures. When the weather turned warmer and we put them outside, they died.
Quote from: Santiago on July 05, 2009, 01:41:14 PM
Do I detect just a tiny bit of envy that Bush is able to afford such a fine home? The ranch a sham...what a joke!
He should be in a prison cell, but no one cares where, or how else, he lives. The ranch WAS a sham. He bought it just before his election in 2000 and sold it on his way out the door. It was a prop to make him look like a cowboy (that reagan thing), but the dip shit was even afraid of horses. Cowboy? You betcha!
Quote from: Exterminator on July 06, 2009, 08:46:21 AM
She makes it up as she goes along. :rolleyes:
Funny. All I recall about the obama's coming to DC was that their claim that the people in the DC area were real wusses when it came to the cold; compared to how cold Chicago is. I seriously doubt the thermostat story as just more bullshit from the rightwing racists that continue to make shit up about obama and continue their teabagging of America.
Quote from: dan foster on July 06, 2009, 12:15:36 PM
He should be in a prison cell, but no one cares where, or how else, he lives. The ranch WAS a sham. He bought it just before his election in 2000 and sold it on his way out the door. It was a prop to make him look like a cowboy (that reagan thing), but the dip shit was even afraid of horses. Cowboy? You betcha!
He is out; get over it
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 06, 2009, 12:27:33 PM
He is out; get over it
Should we get over Charles Manson's crimes as well? Should the world 'get over' Hitler?
Quote from: dan foster on July 06, 2009, 12:19:13 PM
Funny. All I recall about the obama's coming to DC was that their claim that the people in the DC area were real wusses when it came to the cold; compared to how cold Chicago is. I seriously doubt the thermostat story as just more bullshit from the rightwing racists that continue to make shit up about obama and continue their teabagging of America.
Excuse me but the Huffington Post is anything but a right wing publication in case you hadn't noticed.
Quote from: me on July 06, 2009, 01:53:49 PM
Excuse me but the Huffington Post is anything but a right wing publication in case you hadn't noticed.
He was talking about you. :razz:
I'm not the one who printed the story and I didn't make it up. :razz:
Quote from: me on July 06, 2009, 02:33:37 PM
I'm not the one who printed the story and I didn't make it up. :razz:
You're the one trying to make some sort of inane point over a couple of degree difference in the setting of the temperature in the White House. :rolleyes:
my orchids grow fine in a house that is 58 degrees during the day and no warmer than 68 at night...
I would still like to know what the temp setting is. Really. I get the holy hell screamed at me when I set a thermostat on 84, which where I'm the MOST comfortable in the winter. I'm not lying either. LOL
Quote from: Exterminator on July 06, 2009, 02:56:28 PM
You're the one trying to make some sort of inane point over a couple of degree difference in the setting of the temperature in the White House. :rolleyes:
The point is he was asking us to conserve and had the heat up high enough in the White House to be in shirt sleeves and for the media to take notice. For him to make reference to being from Hawaii it only stands to reason it was darn sure above what he was asking us to set ours at. To me it was an in your face you should put on more clothes and turn your thermostat down but I can set mine where I want to 'cause I'm President. He is no better than I am even if he happens to be president. He's just a person not a god.
Hmmm. I would wonder why it's a must that you have to wear a jacket in your work place. Why you should have to wear a jacket where you live? Wearing a jacket is not all that comfortable all the time.
I know....the taxpayers are paying the heating bill. That's an argument I wouldn't dispute. But at the same time, sounds like they were talking about one office. Setting the temperature up a couple of degrees in ONE office probably didn't raise the bill much at all. But I suppose someone could have suggested installing a small wood burning stove in there, and making it warmer that way. Heck then he could turn off the electric/gas heat completely.
We used to heat a whole house with a single wood burning stove in the living room. And guess what, it was around 80 degrees, hotter when I cut up that Christmas tree and threw it in there. Dang, Pine burns hot.
I think we should tear down the White House, pull a double wide up PA Avenue, and scrap the presidential limo for a 1993 Honda accord--teal green--so the President can be just like the rest of us.
:rolleyes:
Quote from: Gryphon on July 06, 2009, 05:54:26 PM
I think we should tear down the White House, pull a double wide up PA Avenue, and scrap the presidential limo for a 1993 Honda accord--teal green--so the President can be just like the rest of us.
:rolleyes:
The previous occupant was trailer trash, so the analog was correct for "the NASCAR president" (bush).
:rolleyes: