QuoteOn June 17, 2009, the President unveiled United We Serve, a call to all Americans to join a volunteer effort this summer and be part of building a new foundation for America, one community at a time. The initiative is led by the Corporation for National and Community Service, the federal agency dedicated to fostering service in communities across the country. Learn more at Serve.gov. (public domain)
YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGkUoBDYnrg)
VolunteerMatch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGkUoBDYnrg)
http://www.serve.gov/
Well? Why not?
This isn't about being Republican or Democrat, Conservative or Liberal, Religious or Atheist, this is about doing something positive for your community.
I agree and if someone makes it out to be something other than what it is, they are an asshole! :biggrin:
I'll take it a step further and challenge ALL of the Obama haters to completing at least one volunteer project over the summer. :biggrin:
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on June 24, 2009, 08:59:30 AM
I'll take it a step further and challenge ALL of the Obama haters to completing at least one volunteer project over the summer. :biggrin:
I'm not a "Bama" hater but done. I've voluntarily cut the lawns of the empty houses in our subdivision twice already this year. :biggrin: (The tigers were getting thick so I was forced to in the interests of public safety). :biggrin:
This is a unique new idea? http://www.habitat.org/ There have also been people who get together and clean up blighted areas of town and paint and fix up houses for those who can't afford it or the elderly here locally, and people who volunteer at hospitals and the library. The only thing different here is he wants them registered with the government for some strange reason. Could it be he wants to take charge of those things that have been doing just fine by themselves all this time and "reorganize" them? I'm sorry but I just don't think we need the government to run something that is voluntary. I realize what I just said isn't going to be well received but I just feel he is spending time here to cover ground that is already being covered and does not need his interference or help.
Quote from: me on June 24, 2009, 09:42:35 AM
. . . I realize what I just said isn't going to be well received but I just feel he is spending time here to cover ground that is already being covered and does not need his interference or help.
You are correct; it does indeed sound like mash from the crop of sour grapes you are nurturing! :razz:
Quote from: Palehorse on June 24, 2009, 09:53:13 AM
You are correct; it does indeed sound like mash from the crop of sour grapes you are nurturing! :razz:
Sour grapes, no, being practical, yes. Why is it so important for all of these volunteer organizations to register with the government all of a sudden? Why does he think no one already does these things? Is this going to lead to more unnecessary spending?
i agree with me, why the need to get gov involved?...........community volunteering has been around forever, why is all of a sudden a "great idea" that we must sign up and registar to do so?
Kimmi, I am one of the ASSHOLES... ;D .. cause, I dont' trust anything that Gov want's to reinvent....
Every Church in America has been doing this since they came to America....
I will NOT put my name on ANY GOV petition to do so...........I will do work for MY church.
which, btw, will be having a FISH FRY this Friday, for THOSE who are interested... :yes:
For that matter, why should churches be involved?
why shouldn't church's be involved... ? :confused:
Well I suppose it will take another Sept. 11th for the assholes to do things for their fellow man again. Seems people get the "What fors" after a while. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Palehorse on June 24, 2009, 09:27:04 AM
I'm not a "Bama" hater but done. I've voluntarily cut the lawns of the empty houses in our subdivision twice already this year. :biggrin: (The tigers were getting thick so I was forced to in the interests of public safety). :biggrin:
Hey, are you stealing my volunteer ideas? I mow the yard of the empty house next door. More in self interest than public service....I don't want snakes creeping into my yard!.....but the neighborhood doesn't have to know why I do it. LOL
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 24, 2009, 10:33:54 AM
why shouldn't church's be involved... ? :confused:
Because their intentions are never altruistic; there is always an ulterior motive.
Quote from: Exterminator on June 24, 2009, 10:54:38 AM
Because their intentions are never altruistic; there is always an ulterior motive.
"Come to Jeebus" meeting anyone? :biggrin:
Hasn't other former administrations had pet projects? For the Obama administration it's volunteerism. Encouraging this is a positive thing.
Why should organizations register? Awareness. Not everyone is aware of all of the potential out there. Honestly. IMO there can't be too many sources of information.
So, me and Henry are you accepting my challenge?
What makes you think we Obama haters aren't already doing community service? I volunteer free time to an elementary school where I helped a legally blind teacher several times a week. Sheesh.
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on June 24, 2009, 11:31:05 AM
Hasn't other former administrations had pet projects? For the Obama administration it's volunteerism. Encouraging this is a positive thing.
Why should organizations register? Awareness. Not everyone is aware of all of the potential out there. Honestly. IMO there can't be too many sources of information.
So, me and Henry are you accepting my challenge?
You still didn't come up with a good answer as to why these organizations need to register with the federal government. Seems like the communities do a fine job of letting people know what is going on all by themselves. These are already organized in place programs or groups that most people are aware of and a good number of people participate in so why does he think the federal government can do it better? I may not do physical work but I do give to the food bank, donate cash when I can for the organization that fixes meals for people during the holiday's, and donate to the places that either give or sell clothes inexpensively to those who can't even afford Goodwill. Those include Operation Love, and the Christian Center.
In every aspect of volunteering from information to the actual act of volunteering...more is better and there isn't a better answer than that.
I'd be willing to bet that most people aren't aware of 1/2 the opportunities in their community. Besides, what if Obama's support of volunteerism served no other purpose other than to inspire someone who may not have otherwise made the time to volunteer...you haven't answered MY question. How is any of this a bad thing?
To answer your question GG..it's been my personal experience that the conservative right-wing nutjobs are in the minority at community service events, but as you pointed out, there are many ways to give back, so I stand corrected.
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on June 24, 2009, 12:23:45 PM
In every aspect of volunteering from information to the actual act of volunteering...more is better and there isn't a better answer than that.
I'd be willing to bet that most people aren't aware of 1/2 the opportunities in their community. Besides, what if Obama's support of volunteerism served no other purpose other than to inspire someone who may not have otherwise made the time to volunteer...you haven't answered MY question. How is any of this a bad thing?
To answer your question GG..it's been my personal experience that the conservative right-wing nutjobs are in the minority at community service events, but as you pointed out, there are many ways to give back, so I stand corrected.
And just how is registering with the federal government going to make them any more aware? Just because some aren't part of an "organized" group don't mean there aren't plenty of people who do their part that you never hear about. The communities have already organized they don't need the "head community organizer" to do it for them. This is a state, city thing that the fed's have no business in IMO.
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on June 24, 2009, 11:31:05 AM
Hasn't other former administrations had pet projects? For the Obama administration it's volunteerism. Encouraging this is a positive thing.
Why should organizations register? Awareness. Not everyone is aware of all of the potential out there. Honestly. IMO there can't be too many sources of information.
So, me and Henry are you accepting my challenge?
Of course it is ALWAYS a good thing....and Sandy, I am one step ahead of you, I have been doing community work for YEARS now, but I will NOT sign up for ANYTHING, that the GOVERNMENT, believes or thinks, that NEEDS a registration.....
Does that make it better?...If the Gov HAS to know WHAT community work that I am doing?
Ex,
QuoteBecause their intentions are never altruistic; there is always an ulterior motive
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We have NEVER held a gun TO ANYONE,.....and RARELY, have we pushed any religion on them, OTHER, than offering to pray with/for them.......
I'm telling you this Country would feel a world of hurt, IF, the Churches across this country STOPPED helping ..."the least of these"
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 24, 2009, 12:37:53 PM
. . ., but I will NOT sign up for ANYTHING, that the GOVERNMENT, believes or thinks, that NEEDS a registration.....
Ummm. . . your church has to register for its tax exempt status, and if you properly document any claimed tithing to said church you are already registered. . . :wink:
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Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 24, 2009, 12:37:53 PM
We have NEVER held a gun TO ANYONE,.....and RARELY, have we pushed any religion on them, OTHER, than offering to pray with/for them.......
Just spears, knives, swords, and various apparatus utilized to elicit "confessions". . .
And what about the "converting of the heathens" who were slaughtered by the thousands with gun and cannon fire in the name of this country and God? :wink:
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on June 24, 2009, 12:23:45 PM
How is any of this a bad thing?
It isn't; they just love to whine and bitch.
Quote from: Palehorse on June 24, 2009, 12:48:01 PM
Ummm. . . your church has to register for its tax exempt status, and if you properly document any claimed tithing to said church you are already registered. . . :wink:
I'm not talking about TITHING...I'm talking about community work, that Obama wants....and thanks, but, it is/was no secret that the Church documents tithing and our tax exempt status....what is your point?...
again, I don't know WHY, a person who wants to do community work, mow a neighbors yard, or whatever, should HAVE to registar with the government to do so...........I think, they got BIGGER fish to fry right now, other than promoting community work.....which, I don't think is a problem right now.
Quote from: Palehorse on June 24, 2009, 12:48:01 PMJust spears, knives, swords, and various apparatus utilized to elicit "confessions". . .
And what about the "converting of the heathens" who were slaughtered by the thousands with gun and cannon fire in the name of this country and God? :wink:
Okay, maybe it's time to let history go on this, I have NOT read in a paper recently where a Church here in the US has slaughtered thousands, in the name of God... :rolleyes:
But, I CAN show you, where Christians ALL across this country GIVE, to the poor, without any STRINGS attached....in the name of God.....WOW, that is just horrible!!
Quote from: Exterminator on June 24, 2009, 12:53:36 PM
It isn't; they just love to whine and bitch.
Will the next thing be the communities aren't spending the donated money properly so they have to turn it over to the Obama appointed czar of voluntary organizations to better spend it? Of course the czar will get his right off the top because he won't be a volunteer.
Quote from: me on June 24, 2009, 01:04:29 PM
Will the next thing be the communities aren't spending the donated money properly so they have to turn it over to the Obama appointed czar of voluntary organizations to better spend it? Of course the czar will get his right off the top because he won't be a volunteer.
Or maybe Obama will just wipe his ass with it? Yeah, that's it...sounds just like something he'd do!
Henry - where did you get the idea that individuals have to register w/the government to volunteer?
That's not how it works. The link that I provided is a site that some individual or organization w/a volunteer need can register so that the opportunity is further promoted.
As an individual looking for an opportunity, you would put in your location and maybe filter it with the types of oportunities in your area you're available and/or able to do and a list pops up. You then go to the website of that organization to volunteer or register.
For example, Volunteer San Diego was listed. I've been registered w/that site for a while.
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on June 24, 2009, 01:17:51 PM
Henry - where did you get the idea that individuals have to register w/the government to volunteer?
He made it up so he'd have something to bitch about.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 24, 2009, 01:03:14 PM
I'm not talking about TITHING...I'm talking about community work, that Obama wants....and thanks, but, it is/was no secret that the Church documents tithing and our tax exempt status....what is your point?...
You are the one that used the term "not sign anything". . . I was just pointing out the fact you already are.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 24, 2009, 01:03:14 PM
Okay, maybe it's time to let history go on this, I have NOT read in a paper recently where a Church here in the US has slaughtered thousands, in the name of God... :rolleyes:
. . .
Again, you used the term "never", and I was pointing out that is not quite true. . .now is it?
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on June 24, 2009, 01:17:51 PM
Henry - where did you get the idea that individuals have to register w/the government to volunteer?
That's not how it works. The link that I provided is a site that some individual or organization w/a volunteer need can register so that the opportunity is further promoted.
As an individual looking for an opportunity, you would put in your location and maybe filter it with the types of oportunities in your area you're available and/or able to do and a list pops up. You then go to the website of that organization to volunteer or register.
For example, Volunteer San Diego was listed. I've been registered w/that site for a while.
Again, Sandy, promoting Americans to volunteer is a wonderful thing, but IT is not a problem...and I really don't think, there are thousands of Americans JUST waiting to volunteer, but don't know how or who to contact to do so.....there are already THOUSANDS of commercials and programs EVERYWHERE, where Help is needed and appreciated.....
and I know there is NO law, claiming you have to sign ANYTHING to do community work...and I want to see that it never does....for this president to promote this is a GREAT thing....just need to keep an eye on groups like ACORN, who IS funded by Obama, who WANTS their organization to grow and grow.
Quote from: Palehorse on June 24, 2009, 01:30:42 PM
You are the one that used the term "not sign anything". . . I was just pointing out the fact you already are.
Again, you used the term "never", and I was pointing out that is not quite true. . .now is it?
I'm talking about present time....I even said, 'recently'....and YOU know my point, quit trying to make it into something it is NOT.....
Christians HAVE DONE great things for the people of this country.....feeding, clothing and housing to name a few.
and Government had NOTHING to do with it.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 24, 2009, 01:42:33 PM
I'm talking about present time....I even said, 'recently'....and YOU know my point, quit trying to make it into something it is NOT.....
Christians HAVE DONE great things for the people of this country.....feeding, clothing and housing to name a few.
and Government had NOTHING to do with it.
Fine. . . I'm out.
Quote from: Palehorse on June 24, 2009, 01:45:16 PM
Fine. . . I'm out.
Yep, logic left this conversation a long time ago so what's the point.
Quote from: Exterminator on June 24, 2009, 01:56:48 PM
Yep, logic left this conversation a long time ago so what's the point.
I simply pointed out something that is correct and that you guys .... despise! for whatever reason... :rolleyes:
THAT is the point... ;) :yes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 24, 2009, 02:03:20 PM
I simply pointed out something that is correct and that you guys .... despise! for whatever reason... :rolleyes:
THAT is the point... ;) :yes:
For the record, it is
you who came into this conversation with your obvious negative (and, as usual, uninformed) bias; not us. I'll wait and see how this works out but encouraging more people to get involved in their communities and making it easier for them to do so has no down side that I can see despite the rantings of all of you clowns with your inane 'what-if' scenarios.
Quote from: Exterminator on June 24, 2009, 01:56:48 PM
Yep, logic left this conversation a long time ago so what's the point.
Exactly. :yes:
I realize that some churches do a lot of good for people but there are those who expect 10 fold in return. It's the ones like a particular Baptists church I know of that put the condition on helping a family that they join and become active in the church to get the help from them that are making it hard on the ones who do it out of kindness. I have never forgotten that and I figure the family involved won't either.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 24, 2009, 02:03:20 PM
I simply pointed out something that is correct and that you guys .... despise! for whatever reason... :rolleyes:
THAT is the point... ;) :yes:
Henry don't you know it isn't nice to question this administration? I mean he is so forthright and all with his transparency he talked about all through his campaign and continues to live up to his promises everyday. :rolleyes: We should be ashamed... :'(
Quote from: Exterminator on June 24, 2009, 02:09:50 PM
For the record, it is you who came into this conversation with your obvious negative (and, as usual, uninformed) bias; not us. I'll wait and see how this works out but encouraging more people to get involved in their communities and making it easier for them to do so has no down side that I can see despite the rantings of all of you clowns with your inane 'what-if' scenarios.
and I too will wait and see how this works out....I have said from the beginning, that it is GOOD that he is promoting such a thing, ... I simply, am cautious, to signing ANYTHING, that this admin, or any GOV agency WANTS me to sign...
Quote from: Palehorse on June 24, 2009, 02:10:25 PM
Exactly. :yes:
what ever ph....I simply pointed out there are already millions of people who do community work ... daily, and the never needed ANY gov assistance to do so....that is all.
Quote from: me on June 24, 2009, 02:12:51 PM
Henry don't you know it isn't nice to question this administration? I mean he is so forthright and all with his transparency he talked about all through his campaign and continues to live up to his promises everyday. :rolleyes: We should be ashamed... :'(
exactly.... :yes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 24, 2009, 02:13:17 PM
and I too will wait and see how this works out....I have said from the beginning, that it is GOOD that he is promoting such a thing, ... I simply, am cautious, to signing ANYTHING, that this admin, or any GOV agency WANTS me to sign...
You're so full of crap you draw flies. You've claimed over and over again that you'll, "wait and see how this works out," on a variety of issues and it's an outright lie; you made your decision long before he was ever elected.
Only the purveyors of sour grape mash could turn a charitable and noble endeavor into a witch burning. . .
Matches anyone?
Quote from: Exterminator on June 24, 2009, 02:15:45 PM
You're so full of crap you draw flies. You've claimed over and over again that you'll, "wait and see how this works out," on a variety of issues and it's an outright lie; you made your decision long before he was ever elected.
I am a skeptic with Obama..........but, I have NO problem with him urging people to do communty work.........I'm just waiting to see if there are going to be 'strings' attached to his .... calling
Quote from: Palehorse on June 24, 2009, 02:17:33 PM
Only the purveyors of sour grape mash could turn a charitable and noble endeavor into a witch burning. . .
Matches anyone?
yeah, I know those mean, evil old christian asswipes, who give personal money and time to help the poor....really want to burn them at the stake, if they don't REPENT!!!.... :rolleyes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 24, 2009, 05:03:22 PM
yeah, I know those mean, evil old christian asswipes, who give personal money and time to help the poor....really want to burn them at the stake, if they don't REPENT!!!.... :rolleyes:
Oh no, you aren't turning the maggot on me in this one.
I'm not the one who brought up religion in this topic. . . nor politics for that matter. In fact I believe the initiating poster even stated that it was her opinion that politics & religion have no place in this topic right out of the gate. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on June 24, 2009, 05:41:25 PM
Oh no, you aren't turning the maggot on me in this one. I'm not the one who brought up religion in this topic. . . nor politics for that matter. In fact I believe the initiating poster even stated that it was her opinion that politics & religion have no place in this topic right out of the gate. . .
Amen Brotha Pale! Amen! :biggrin:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 24, 2009, 05:03:22 PM
yeah, I know those mean, evil old christian asswipes, who give personal money and time to help the poor....
I'm certain there are many fine people, whether professing to believe in the Three Gods or not, who do good works without fanfare. As institutions though, churches do nothing but take up collections which go to subsidize the pastor and building fund of the church. Oh wait, now and then there was a special envelope distributed that was marked "missions." The "missions" themselves were never defined, but the implication was they were somewhere overseas where it was hot, dirty and pagan. And the greasy evangelist who came every other year (nubile teenage girls were warned not to be alone with him!) passed the plate about four times a service, but the only thing he said about the money was that it would be used for "God's work." I wonder if that included paying off the parents of the teenage girls who didn't move quickly enough. This was in the southern Baptist church of my youth. As an adult I belonged to a Catholic congregation. Their big fund-raiser was bingo. And casino night. And raffles. Imagine how conflicted I was, since my southern Baptist upbringing told me gambling was a sin. But I digress: so far as I could tell, all the money raised by gambling went to fund the parochial school, so again the money stayed "in house."
So tell me again, Henry, about all the poor who were helped by the "personal time and money" of these two church communities. And while you're at it, I would be interested in a few anecdotal reports of contributions which your own church family have made. Church league softball doesn't count. Neither does paid day-care.
Quote from: LOsborne on June 24, 2009, 08:37:17 PM
I'm certain there are many fine people, whether professing to believe in the Three Gods or not, who do good works without fanfare. As institutions though, churches do nothing but take up collections which go to subsidize the pastor and building fund of the church. Oh wait, now and then there was a special envelope distributed that was marked "missions." The "missions" themselves were never defined, but the implication was they were somewhere overseas where it was hot, dirty and pagan. And the greasy evangelist who came every other year (nubile teenage girls were warned not to be alone with him!) passed the plate about four times a service, but the only thing he said about the money was that it would be used for "God's work." I wonder if that included paying off the parents of the teenage girls who didn't move quickly enough. This was in the southern Baptist church of my youth. As an adult I belonged to a Catholic congregation. Their big fund-raiser was bingo. And casino night. And raffles. Imagine how conflicted I was, since my southern Baptist upbringing told me gambling was a sin. But I digress: so far as I could tell, all the money raised by gambling went to fund the parochial school, so again the money stayed "in house."
So tell me again, Henry, about all the poor who were helped by the "personal time and money" of these two church communities. And while you're at it, I would be interested in a few anecdotal reports of contributions which your own church family have made. Church league softball doesn't count. Neither does paid day-care.
As you know I am an agnostic and won't even consider going to church but I will have to say one thing here. The church my mom used to attend was wonderful to her last year when she was diagnosed with lymphoma and, even though she no longer contributes to the church, the minister visited with her and some of the ladies at the church fixed her some meals and brought them to her and someone called daily to check on her. Not all churches are bad nor are all christians. It is really unfair to lump them all together IMO. :2cents:
I realize that's not "giving to the community" but it is giving. Part of the money the church collects goes to pay the minister and there are some poor churches where the minister works for next to nothing. The ones I disagree with are the TV evangelists that rip people off right and left and the ones that think the bigger and more fancy a church is the better it is and require the congregation to "pledge" a certain amount of their income and, I have heard, some will sue for said amount if it isn't given.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 24, 2009, 04:48:28 PM
I am a skeptic with Obama.
That's the understatement of the year. :rolleyes:
Quote from: LOsborne on June 24, 2009, 08:37:17 PM
And the greasy evangelist who came every other year (nubile teenage girls were warned not to be alone with him!) passed the plate about four times a service, but the only thing he said about the money was that it would be used for "God's work."
And I'm sure he decided that by throwing the money into the air...what God wants he keeps, what comes back down belongs to the evangelist. :biggrin:
Quote from: Palehorse on June 24, 2009, 05:41:25 PM
Oh no, you aren't turning the maggot on me in this one. I'm not the one who brought up religion in this topic. . . nor politics for that matter. In fact I believe the initiating poster even stated that it was her opinion that politics & religion have no place in this topic right out of the gate. . .
Hey, ALL I did was point out that community work is not a new concept, that Churches ALL across America has been doing this forever...........
Ex, said what "why SHOULD churches be involved?"
I said why not...............and here we are.
If any of you are paying attention to what is happening around you each day, you'll know that the climate changes occurring across the globe are driving, among other things, large swings in temperatures, increasing average temperatures, and storm cells that are increasingly violent.
It only stands to reason that these changes are going to drive events that are going to seriously and negatively impact peoples lives in an increasingly larger number of incidents.
In most of these situations the local first responders are in a better position to render aid, rather than having folks mill about bleating like the sheep most of them are, awaiting the reaction of official government entities to bring them what they need to survive. It took FEMA 5 days to get water to the Superdome after Katrina. Wasn't there a lesson there?
The proactive identification, organization, and training of volunteer personell at the local level is a great idea, and certainly would provide a much needed buffer time for the victims of disasters and cataclysmic events, to provide them temporary assistance during the time period between the event and the arrival of official government aid.
Unlike official entities, local volunteers do not train for the worst and hope for the best on a regular basis, and so do not benefit from the experience drilling provides. Most often the need is so urgent and so great in each case, that pleads for hands and bodies to supplement those already trying to help are the norm in these situations. And so is the learning curve required to allow these last minute volunteers to be effective in executing the tasks they are being asked to fulfill.
30 people from a local organization that occasionally hand out food to needy families is not providing the training and experience necessary to allow these same people to be effective at filling sandbags, constructing a temporary dam, or helping rebuild homes or emergency facilities in times of emergency. This methodology often ends up supplementing the victim stream with volunteers seriously injured due to over exertion, or other injuries driven by inexperience or physical inability.
Organizing local volunteers and providing them with experienced leadership that will proactively train them to achieve the physical ability and obtain the knowledge necessary to make them safe and effective, is key to providing initial efforts to remediate the burning challenges the victims will experience during such events.
Moreover, oversite of local training initiatives by a national entity provides a much larger picture to leadership within the scope of a disaster with a larger impact area; providing them with a reinforcement plan for local efforts overwhelmed by the scope of a particular disaster. This would enable them to be able to quickly identify individuals from an unaffected area that could "hit the ground running" in the affected areas and render immediate aid upon arrival without the need for training or risks associated with the learning curve that are presently typical in such situations.
This is a good idea. If folks would put down their swords and forget about our differences now, (as is typical during a disaster), instead of waiting until the event has transpired, it would help us help each other until official aid can arrive.
But I guess ranking the other person over their (you pick) is more important than helping your fellow man/woman in their time of need. . . :rolleyes:
Someone should volunteer to give me a cigarette.
Quote from: pariann on June 25, 2009, 10:43:18 AM
Someone should volunteer to give me a cigarette.
I will!
Quote from: pariann on June 25, 2009, 10:43:18 AM
Someone should volunteer to give me a cigarette.
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Cowboy Killah anyone?
Quote from: Exterminator on June 25, 2009, 11:04:02 AM
I will!
LOL, first off, what KIND of cigarette, secondly, you going to bring it from Indy to Anderson? Cause otherwise, someone is going to need to volunteer to give me some gasoline too. :eek:
Quote from: pariann on June 25, 2009, 11:30:08 AM
LOL, first off, what KIND of cigarette, secondly, you going to bring it from Indy to Anderson? Cause otherwise, someone is going to need to volunteer to give me some gasoline too. :eek:
Marlboro Ultra-Light but this sure is getting complicated!
Maybe I'll just go sit on the porch and bum one off of the first person who walks by my house, I'll volunteer to light it myself. :wink: Why does it seem that those people who don't have permanent jobs either, always have cigarettes?
Quote from: pariann on June 25, 2009, 11:56:39 AM
Why does it seem that those people who don't have permanent jobs either, always have cigarettes?
More time to shoplift? :biggrin:
Quote from: Palehorse on June 25, 2009, 09:44:21 AM
But I guess ranking the other person over their (you pick) is more important than helping your fellow man/woman in their time of need. . . :rolleyes:
example?
Quote from: Exterminator on June 25, 2009, 11:57:39 AM
More time to shoplift? :biggrin:
Well dang, maybe I'll volunteer to encourage them to share their ill gotten gains. :wink:
I am just kidding, ya know.
Quote from: Palehorse on June 25, 2009, 12:51:37 PM
I am not biting that bait! :rolleyes:
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Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 25, 2009, 12:08:14 PM
example?
Here yah go then.
Quote from: me on June 24, 2009, 09:42:35 AM
This is a unique new idea? http://www.habitat.org/ There have also been people who get together and clean up blighted areas of town and paint and fix up houses for those who can't afford it or the elderly here locally, and people who volunteer at hospitals and the library. The only thing different here is he wants them registered with the government for some strange reason. Could it be he wants to take charge of those things that have been doing just fine by themselves all this time and "reorganize" them? I'm sorry but I just don't think we need the government to run something that is voluntary. I realize what I just said isn't going to be well received but I just feel he is spending time here to cover ground that is already being covered and does not need his interference or help.
Right out of the gate yah start in on Obama. (And use a xtian charity that counts former POTUS Carter among key position holders, as an example).
Then post number 7 breaks out the religion:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 24, 2009, 10:19:37 AM
Kimmi, I am one of the ASSHOLES... ;D .. cause, I dont' trust anything that Gov want's to reinvent....
Every Church in America has been doing this since they came to America....
I will NOT put my name on ANY GOV petition to do so...........I will do work for MY church.
Both of you knowing full well where it would lead once you did it, taking the topic well of into the weeds on subjects that certainly have no connection with the intended discussion. And it all goes downhill from there.
Then I respond with this:
Quote from: Palehorse on June 25, 2009, 09:44:21 AM
If any of you are paying attention to what is happening around you each day, you'll know that the climate changes occurring across the globe are driving, among other things, large swings in temperatures, increasing average temperatures, and storm cells that are increasingly violent.
It only stands to reason that these changes are going to drive events that are going to seriously and negatively impact peoples lives in an increasingly larger number of incidents.
In most of these situations the local first responders are in a better position to render aid, rather than having folks mill about bleating like the sheep most of them are, awaiting the reaction of official government entities to bring them what they need to survive. It took FEMA 5 days to get water to the Superdome after Katrina. Wasn't there a lesson there?
The proactive identification, organization, and training of volunteer personell at the local level is a great idea, and certainly would provide a much needed buffer time for the victims of disasters and cataclysmic events, to provide them temporary assistance during the time period between the event and the arrival of official government aid.
Unlike official entities, local volunteers do not train for the worst and hope for the best on a regular basis, and so do not benefit from the experience drilling provides. Most often the need is so urgent and so great in each case, that pleads for hands and bodies to supplement those already trying to help are the norm in these situations. And so is the learning curve required to allow these last minute volunteers to be effective in executing the tasks they are being asked to fulfill.
30 people from a local organization that occasionally hand out food to needy families is not providing the training and experience necessary to allow these same people to be effective at filling sandbags, constructing a temporary dam, or helping rebuild homes or emergency facilities in times of emergency. This methodology often ends up supplementing the victim stream with volunteers seriously injured due to over exertion, or other injuries driven by inexperience or physical inability.
Organizing local volunteers and providing them with experienced leadership that will proactively train them to achieve the physical ability and obtain the knowledge necessary to make them safe and effective, is key to providing initial efforts to remediate the burning challenges the victims will experience during such events.
Moreover, oversite of local training initiatives by a national entity provides a much larger picture to leadership within the scope of a disaster with a larger impact area; providing them with a reinforcement plan for local efforts overwhelmed by the scope of a particular disaster. This would enable them to be able to quickly identify individuals from an unaffected area that could "hit the ground running" in the affected areas and render immediate aid upon arrival without the need for training or risks associated with the learning curve that are presently typical in such situations.
This is a good idea. If folks would put down their swords and forget about our differences now, (as is typical during a disaster), instead of waiting until the event has transpired, it would help us help each other until official aid can arrive.
But I guess ranking the other person over their (you pick) is more important than helping your fellow man/woman in their time of need. . . :rolleyes:
Out of which you both focus only upon the last sentence, completely dismissing or ignoring the balance.
Palehorse, my ONLY reason for bringing anything MORE into this was, everybody is acting like OBAMA is saving the world, because HE wants people to sign up to do community work...........I only stated that it is NOT a new concept, and Churches has been doing this for years, but IF and WHEN ... Christians get mentioned...they get slammed as witch burners and slave owners...
I'm also not insinuating, that NON Christians are any less likely to do community services.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 25, 2009, 03:29:06 PM
Palehorse, my ONLY reason for bringing anything MORE into this was, everybody is acting like OBAMA is saving the world, because HE wants people to sign up to do community work...
Please show us where anyone in this thread has suggested that Obama is saving the world.
Quote from: Exterminator on June 25, 2009, 03:48:01 PM
Please show us where anyone in this thread has suggested that Obama is saving the world.
He doesn't have to.
George "White Knight" Bush already did that when he invaded Iraq.
See how much safer the world is now?
He made Korea and Iran cower in fear.
That's why they are so docile now.
Quote from: Exterminator on June 25, 2009, 03:48:01 PM
Please show us where anyone in this thread has suggested that Obama is saving the world.
the original article stated
building a new foundation for America, one community at a time......I did not say anyone on here....I said in general....everybody is acting like OBAMA is saving the world.....ONE COMMUNITY at a time....
it is more Political WORDS, that he campaigned on....that give's sap's the warm and fuzzies....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 25, 2009, 03:29:06 PM
Palehorse, my ONLY reason for bringing anything MORE into this was, everybody is acting like OBAMA is saving the world, because HE wants people to sign up to do community work...........I only stated that it is NOT a new concept, and Churches has been doing this for years, but IF and WHEN ... Christians get mentioned...they get slammed as witch burners and slave owners...
I'm also not insinuating, that NON Christians are any less likely to do community services.
This is a prime example of what I'm bitching about right here. You guys act like this is some kind of contest or something and in reality all anyone that volunteers wants to do is help people that desperately need it. But because it isn't some kind of religious affiliated organization, or due to the political party the person initiating the action belongs to, it is automatically dismissed as negative and controlling without so much as a look over or read through.
It smacks of boo fuggen hooing and sour grapes of wrath. Period.
Habitat for Humanity is a great cause, and even though I think peanut boy is among the most bland POTUS's we've ever had, (and I am putting it mildly), and despite the fact they align themselves with Christian thoughts and practices, I still think what they do in the end serves a good purpose. So I don't slam them. But comparing any similar effort to them, especially within the planning phase is not fair, not right, and certainly kicking in the meat curtains.
Finally, you all know my distrust and distaste for the lion's share of modern day Christianity, and if you don't know why just visit the corrall and educate yourselves on my viewpoint. They need to come down from those ivory towers they've built and get a double-dose of reality. . . :rolleyes:
Quote from: Palehorse on June 25, 2009, 05:38:55 PM
This is a prime example of what I'm bitching about right here. You guys act like this is some kind of contest or something and in reality all anyone that volunteers wants to do is help people that desperately need it. But because it isn't some kind of religious affiliated organization, or due to the political party the person initiating the action belongs to, it is automatically dismissed as negative and controlling without so much as a look over or read through.
It smacks of boo fuggen hooing and sour grapes of wrath. Period.
Habitat for Humanity is a great cause, and even though I think peanut boy is among the most bland POTUS's we've ever had, (and I am putting it mildly), and despite the fact they align themselves with Christian thoughts and practices, I still think what they do in the end serves a good purpose. So I don't slam them. But comparing any similar effort to them, especially within the planning phase is not fair, not right, and certainly kicking in the meat curtains.
Finally, you all know my distrust and distaste for the lion's share of modern day Christianity, and if you don't know why just visit the corrall and educate yourselves on my viewpoint. They need to come down from those ivory towers they've built and get a double-dose of reality. . . :rolleyes:
you know quite frankly, I'm a little sick to death of the .... blaming those who practice Christian values, and revere God, as the .... witch burning, lion-feeding, hollier-than-thou, people OUT stealing money from little old ladies crap....
I NEVER, EVER INSINUTAING THIS IS A CONTEST OF ANY SORT................and you can boo-fuggen hoo ALL
YOU WANT....
I have MY reasons for NOT trusting Obama.......YOU don't trust Christians......
The VAST majority of people who attend a Church and worship God in this Country are NOT out to prove ANYTHING....they don't beat on doors, or go out begging for money so they can build any IVORY TOWERS.....
THEY are out, raising families, working and helping out neighbors....that is about it......and I get sick of those people being BASHED, because of other peoples misconception of what it is to be a CHRISTIAN....
talk about sour grapes.... :rolleyes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 26, 2009, 06:28:07 AM
you know quite frankly, I'm a little sick to death of the .... blaming those who practice Christian values, and revere God, as the .... witch burning, lion-feeding, hollier-than-thou, people OUT stealing money from little old ladies crap....
I NEVER, EVER INSINUTAING THIS IS A CONTEST OF ANY SORT................and you can boo-fuggen hoo ALL YOU WANT....
I have MY reasons for NOT trusting Obama.......YOU don't trust Christians......
The VAST majority of people who attend a Church and worship God in this Country are NOT out to prove ANYTHING....they don't beat on doors, or go out begging for money so they can build any IVORY TOWERS.....
THEY are out, raising families, working and helping out neighbors....that is about it......and I get sick of those people being BASHED, because of other peoples misconception of what it is to be a CHRISTIAN....
talk about sour grapes.... :rolleyes:
Wouldn't be half as bad if you guys didn't make an attempt to lord it over everyone
all of the time and force your beliefs upon the masses.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 25, 2009, 04:15:36 PM
the original article stated building a new foundation for America, one community at a time......I did not say anyone on here....I said in general....everybody is acting like OBAMA is saving the world.....ONE COMMUNITY at a time...
Bullshit! It is neither said nor implied.
Quote from: Palehorse on June 26, 2009, 07:31:22 AM
Wouldn't be half as bad if you guys didn't make an attempt to lord it over everyone
all of the time and force your beliefs upon the masses.
Yep and the rest of what he claims is pretty much garbage as well. As a group, they're all pretty much a bunch of hypocrites.
Quote from: Palehorse on June 26, 2009, 07:31:22 AM
Wouldn't be half as bad if you guys didn't make an attempt to lord it over everyone
all of the time and force your beliefs upon the masses.
you guys?.... :confused: :rolleyes:
don't we ALL, to some extent, try to force our BELIEFS upon they system?...............you have YOUR beliefs, Ex has his...I have MINE...
we live in a democracy and we get to VOTE on our beliefs, if we want them or not....
Quote from: Exterminator on June 26, 2009, 07:34:17 AM
Bullshit! It is neither said nor implied.
you doin drugs, this early in the morning?
Quote from: Exterminator on June 26, 2009, 07:35:45 AM
Yep and the rest of what he claims is pretty much garbage as well. As a group, they're all pretty much a bunch of hypocrites.
blah, blah, blah, blah...............
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 26, 2009, 07:40:10 AM
you doin drugs, this early in the morning?
Clever comeback, Henry, now show us where it was said or implied.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 26, 2009, 07:40:54 AM
blah, blah, blah, blah...............
Which is different from the rest of what you post how?
Quote from: Exterminator on June 26, 2009, 07:54:32 AM
Clever comeback, Henry, now show us where it was said or implied.
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About Serve.gov
The President has said that the challenges America faces are unprecedented, and that we need to build a new foundation for economic growth in America. The Administration has begun this work with dramatic new investments in education, health care and clean energy, but we cannot do this alone here in Washington. Economic recovery is as much about what you're doing in your communities as what we're doing in Washington – and it's going to take all of us, working together.
Serve.gov is your online resource for not only finding volunteer opportunities in your community, but also creating your own. Use Serve.gov to help you do your part. America's foundation will be built one community at a time – and it starts with you.
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United We Serve
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What can you do?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 26, 2009, 07:39:27 AM
you guys?.... :confused: :rolleyes:
we live in a democracy and we get to VOTE on our beliefs, if we want them or not....
Christians. . . You know what I meant.
So why all the squalling when you don't get your way? :rolleyes:
Henry's original assertion was that people were saying Obama was saving the world. Learn to read and then show where anyone except you right-wing whack-jobs has said that.
Quote from: Palehorse on June 26, 2009, 08:10:52 AM
Christians. . . You know what I meant.
So why all the squalling when you don't get your way? :rolleyes:
you are sterotyping, like a bigot..........not ALL Christians are nearly like you THINK they are.
I don't squall, not anymore than anybody else whose votes don't go the way the would like......
So what you are basically saying is that people on this forum keep confusing your political views with your religious views?
If that's the case, maybe you should discuss each one separately so that there is no confusion. If it's government and political, forget the christian emphasis, and vice versa.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 26, 2009, 08:17:14 AM
you are sterotyping, like a bigot..........not ALL Christians are nearly like you THINK they are.
I don't squall, not anymore than anybody else whose votes don't go the way the would like......
Nice. . . I see you've expanded your vernacular today. . . :rolleyes:
Quote from: Palehorse on June 26, 2009, 08:44:11 AM
Nice. . . I see you've expanded your vernacular today. . . :rolleyes:
my vernacularity is well within my daily enhancement allowance....thank you.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 26, 2009, 10:42:06 AM
my vernacularity is well within my daily enhancement allowance....thank you.
Surprising you would respond to a bigot. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on June 26, 2009, 10:44:06 AM
Surprising you would respond to a bigot. . .
just giving you a taste of your own medicine...
No, I know that you are NO bigot..........but, you have been referring to me as all sorts of names, because, I believe in Jesus.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 26, 2009, 10:50:20 AM
just giving you a taste of your own medicine...
No, I know that you are NO bigot..........but, you have been referring to me as all sorts of names, because, I believe in Jesus.
See, there you go again taking commentary concerning Christians personally. So IOW I should STFU concerning xtians?. . . NOT happening. I'll do so when Christians do so. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on June 26, 2009, 10:57:55 AM
See, there you go again taking commentary concerning Christians personally. So IOW I should STFU concerning xtians?. . . NOT happening. I'll do so when Christians do so. . .
Yeah, I DO take it personal, when you group, a small portion of so-called Christians to the VAST majority of people who has a personal relationship with Christ.........and NO, I would NEVER tell you that I think you should STFU....but, I will not just sit back and not defend Christian beliefs when they are totally being BASHED .... I am VERY proud and unapologetic for my Christian beliefs.