United We Serve

[Henry Hawk]

But I guess ranking the other person over their (you pick) is more important than helping your fellow man/woman in their time of need. . .

example?

[Palehorse]

example?

I am not biting that bait! 

[pariann]

More time to shoplift?   

Well dang, maybe I'll volunteer to encourage them to share their ill gotten gains.


I am just kidding, ya know.

[me]

I am not biting that bait! 

Ah, come on.

[Palehorse]

example?

Here yah go then.

This is a unique new idea?  http://www.habitat.org/  There have also been people who get together and clean up blighted areas of town and paint and fix up houses for those who can't afford it or the elderly here locally, and people who volunteer at hospitals and the library.  The only thing different here is he wants them registered with the government for some strange reason.  Could it be he wants to take charge of those things that have been doing just fine by themselves all this time and "reorganize" them?  I'm sorry but I just don't think we need the government to run something that is voluntary.  I realize what I just said isn't going to be well received but I just feel he is spending time here to cover ground that is already being covered and does not need his interference or help.   

Right out of the gate yah start in on Obama. (And use a xtian charity that counts former POTUS Carter among key position holders, as an example).

Then post number 7 breaks out the religion:

Kimmi, I am one of the ASSHOLES... .. cause, I dont' trust anything that Gov want's to reinvent....

Every Church in America has been doing this since they came to America....

I will NOT put my name on ANY GOV petition to do so...........I will do work for MY church.

Both of you knowing full well where it would lead once you did it, taking the topic well of into the weeds on subjects that certainly have no connection with the intended discussion. And it all goes downhill from there.

Then I respond with this:

If any of you are paying attention to what is happening around you each day, you'll know that the climate changes occurring across the globe are driving, among other things, large swings in temperatures, increasing average temperatures, and storm cells that are increasingly violent.

It only stands to reason that these changes are going to drive events that are going to seriously and negatively impact peoples lives in an increasingly larger number of incidents.

In most of these situations the local first responders are in a better position to render aid, rather than having folks mill about bleating like the sheep most of them are, awaiting the reaction of official government entities to bring them what they need to survive. It took FEMA 5 days to get water to the Superdome after Katrina. Wasn't there a lesson there?

The proactive identification, organization, and training of volunteer personell at the local level is a great idea, and certainly would provide a much needed buffer time for the victims of disasters and cataclysmic events, to provide them temporary assistance during the time period between the event and the arrival of official government aid.

Unlike official entities, local volunteers do not train for the worst and hope for the best on a regular basis, and so do not benefit from the experience drilling provides. Most often the need is so urgent and so great in each case, that pleads for hands and bodies to supplement those already trying to help are the norm in these situations. And so is the learning curve required to allow these last minute volunteers to be effective in executing the tasks they are being asked to fulfill.

30 people from a local organization that occasionally hand out food to needy families is not providing the training and experience necessary to allow these same people to be effective at filling sandbags, constructing a temporary dam, or helping rebuild homes or emergency facilities in times of emergency. This methodology often ends up supplementing the victim stream with volunteers seriously injured due to over exertion, or other injuries driven by inexperience or physical inability.

Organizing local volunteers and providing them with experienced leadership that will proactively train them to achieve the physical ability and obtain the knowledge necessary to make them safe and effective, is key to providing initial efforts to remediate the burning challenges the victims will experience during such events.

Moreover, oversite of local training initiatives by a national entity provides a much larger picture to leadership within the scope of a disaster with a larger impact area; providing them with a reinforcement plan for local efforts overwhelmed by the scope of a particular disaster. This would enable them to be able to quickly identify individuals from an unaffected area that could "hit the ground running" in the affected areas and render immediate aid upon arrival without the need for training or risks associated with the learning curve that are presently typical in such situations.

This is a good idea. If folks would put down their swords and forget about our differences now, (as is typical during a disaster), instead of waiting until the event has transpired, it would help us help each other until official aid can arrive.

But I guess ranking the other person over their (you pick) is more important than helping your fellow man/woman in their time of need. . .

Out of which you both focus only upon the last sentence, completely dismissing or ignoring the balance.

[Henry Hawk]

Palehorse, my ONLY reason for bringing anything  MORE  into this was, everybody is acting like OBAMA is saving the world, because HE wants people to sign up to do community work...........I only stated that it is NOT a new concept, and Churches has been doing this for years, but IF and WHEN ... Christians get mentioned...they get slammed as witch burners and slave owners...

I'm also not insinuating, that NON Christians are any less likely to do community services.

[Exterminator]

Palehorse, my ONLY reason for bringing anything  MORE  into this was, everybody is acting like OBAMA is saving the world, because HE wants people to sign up to do community work...

Please show us where anyone in this thread has suggested that Obama is saving the world.

[followsthewolf]

Please show us where anyone in this thread has suggested that Obama is saving the world.

He doesn't have to.

George "White Knight" Bush already did that when he invaded Iraq.

See how much safer the world is now?

He made Korea and Iran cower in fear.

That's why they are so docile now.

[Henry Hawk]

Please show us where anyone in this thread has suggested that Obama is saving the world.

the original article stated  building a new foundation for America, one community at a time......I did not say anyone on here....I said in general....everybody is acting like OBAMA is saving the world.....ONE COMMUNITY at a time....

it is more Political WORDS, that he campaigned on....that give's sap's the warm and fuzzies....

[Palehorse]

Palehorse, my ONLY reason for bringing anything  MORE  into this was, everybody is acting like OBAMA is saving the world, because HE wants people to sign up to do community work...........I only stated that it is NOT a new concept, and Churches has been doing this for years, but IF and WHEN ... Christians get mentioned...they get slammed as witch burners and slave owners...

I'm also not insinuating, that NON Christians are any less likely to do community services.

This is a prime example of what I'm bitching about right here. You guys act like this is some kind of contest or something and in reality all anyone that volunteers wants to do is help people that desperately need it. But because it isn't some kind of religious affiliated organization, or due to the political party the person initiating the action belongs to, it is automatically dismissed as negative and controlling without so much as a look over or read through.

It smacks of boo fuggen hooing and sour grapes of wrath. Period.

Habitat for Humanity is a great cause, and even though I think peanut boy is among the most bland POTUS's we've ever had, (and I am putting it mildly), and despite the fact they align themselves with Christian thoughts and practices, I still think what they do in the end serves a good purpose. So I don't slam them. But comparing any similar effort to them, especially within the planning phase is not fair, not right, and certainly kicking in the meat curtains.

Finally, you all know my distrust and distaste for the lion's share of modern day Christianity, and if you don't know why just visit the corrall and educate yourselves on my viewpoint. They need to come down from those ivory towers they've built and get a double-dose of reality. . .

[Henry Hawk]

This is a prime example of what I'm bitching about right here. You guys act like this is some kind of contest or something and in reality all anyone that volunteers wants to do is help people that desperately need it. But because it isn't some kind of religious affiliated organization, or due to the political party the person initiating the action belongs to, it is automatically dismissed as negative and controlling without so much as a look over or read through.

It smacks of boo fuggen hooing and sour grapes of wrath. Period.

Habitat for Humanity is a great cause, and even though I think peanut boy is among the most bland POTUS's we've ever had, (and I am putting it mildly), and despite the fact they align themselves with Christian thoughts and practices, I still think what they do in the end serves a good purpose. So I don't slam them. But comparing any similar effort to them, especially within the planning phase is not fair, not right, and certainly kicking in the meat curtains.

Finally, you all know my distrust and distaste for the lion's share of modern day Christianity, and if you don't know why just visit the corrall and educate yourselves on my viewpoint. They need to come down from those ivory towers they've built and get a double-dose of reality. . .

you know quite frankly, I'm a little sick to death of the .... blaming those who practice Christian values, and revere God, as the .... witch burning, lion-feeding, hollier-than-thou, people OUT stealing money from little old ladies crap....

I NEVER, EVER INSINUTAING THIS IS A CONTEST OF ANY SORT................and you can boo-fuggen hoo ALL YOU WANT....

I have MY reasons for NOT trusting Obama.......YOU don't trust Christians......

The VAST majority of people who attend a Church and worship God in this Country are NOT out to prove ANYTHING....they don't beat on doors, or go out begging for money so they can build any IVORY TOWERS.....

THEY are out, raising families, working and helping out neighbors....that is about it......and I get sick of those people being BASHED, because of other peoples misconception of what it is to be a CHRISTIAN....


talk about sour grapes....

[Palehorse]

you know quite frankly, I'm a little sick to death of the .... blaming those who practice Christian values, and revere God, as the .... witch burning, lion-feeding, hollier-than-thou, people OUT stealing money from little old ladies crap....

I NEVER, EVER INSINUTAING THIS IS A CONTEST OF ANY SORT................and you can boo-fuggen hoo ALL YOU WANT....

I have MY reasons for NOT trusting Obama.......YOU don't trust Christians......

The VAST majority of people who attend a Church and worship God in this Country are NOT out to prove ANYTHING....they don't beat on doors, or go out begging for money so they can build any IVORY TOWERS.....

THEY are out, raising families, working and helping out neighbors....that is about it......and I get sick of those people being BASHED, because of other peoples misconception of what it is to be a CHRISTIAN....


talk about sour grapes....

Wouldn't be half as bad if you guys didn't make an attempt to lord it over everyone
all of the time and force your beliefs upon the masses.

[Exterminator]

the original article stated  building a new foundation for America, one community at a time......I did not say anyone on here....I said in general....everybody is acting like OBAMA is saving the world.....ONE COMMUNITY at a time...

Bullshit!  It is neither said nor implied.

[Exterminator]

Wouldn't be half as bad if you guys didn't make an attempt to lord it over everyone
all of the time and force your beliefs upon the masses.

Yep and the rest of what he claims is pretty much garbage as well.  As a group, they're all pretty much a bunch of hypocrites.

[Henry Hawk]

Wouldn't be half as bad if you guys didn't make an attempt to lord it over everyone
all of the time and force your beliefs upon the masses.

you guys?....

don't we ALL, to some extent, try to force our BELIEFS upon they system?...............you have YOUR beliefs, Ex has his...I have MINE...

we live in a democracy and we get to VOTE on our beliefs, if we want them or not....