This is way bigger than Rush (posted on www.wnd.com)
by David Limbaugh
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Posted: March 03, 2009
1:00 am Eastern
© 2009
The Democrats, along with those on the right who seem more worried about incurring the disdain of the wrongheaded left than of their fellow patriots, are feverishly promoting their Saul Alinsky-inspired scheme to demonize and divide their most effective political opponents.
What would be amusing, were matters not so gravely serious today, is the utter juvenile transparency in the liberals' efforts to vilify Rush Limbaugh.
They've been doing it for 20 years, but this time, they're better organized and have a broader purpose. So those who haven't had the courage to stand by him should understand that Rush is not the ultimate target here. We all are – those, that is, who oppose their Marxist agenda and Stalinist tactics.
Have you noticed their coordinated effort to label Rush the leader of the Republican Party? Do you think it's accidental that James Carville so describes him? Do you think it's just coincidental that Obama called Rush out personally and that the entire flock of mainstream media sheep followed suit? Is it just serendipitous that liberal Chris Matthews baits his guests nightly to castigate Rush? Is it fortuitous that Obama's, er, ABC's George Stephanopoulos demands his guests, such as Republican Rep. Eric Cantor, to either defend or denounce Rush?
But again, they're not just after Rush. They want to destroy the Republican brand – as if they need any help doing that.
Rush is the target because he represents the real opposition. He's the leading voice for those who are really standing up for America and its founding ideals. Too much of our opposition is nominal only. Too much of our opposition is unaware we're in a war for the very survival of those precious principles.
While some Republican leaders have refused to join in the White House-orchestrated condemnation of Rush, a number of others haven't been so bold, presumably preferring to retain their credentials in polite/elitist society or afraid to incur the left's wrath. No, let Rush have that all by himself.
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Memo to the feckless on the right: When Rush said he hopes Obama fails, his meaning was very clear. He believes the abundantly obvious truth that Obama is trying to restructure America in the image of the central planners and social nihilists: a radical growth in government and consequent reduction in the private sector and individual liberty, a radical relaxation in the war on terror and other national security imperatives, a radical push to diminish American sovereignty in favor of global entities on environmental matters and in deference to United Nations mandates on such distinctly internal matters as how parents raise their children, a radical empowerment of labor unions, a radical boost to the radical pro-abortion industry and death culture, a radical homosexual agenda, and, ultimately, the abject bankruptcy of America.
Rush wants Obama to fail in his unabashed efforts to permanently turn this center-right nation radically toward the left. He does not want America to fail. Rush is unabashedly rooting for America. And anyone with the slightest ability or moral clarity to make mental distinctions understands this.
Yet many have deliberately twisted Rush's meaning to suggest that he wants America, under Obama's presidency, to fail.
The dirty little secret is that many of the liberals making this specious argument are the very people who truly were rooting for America to fail when George W. Bush was president. They were rooting for us to lose the war in Iraq. Harry Reid declared the war lost, you may recall. And they were talking down the economy, even when it was humming.
These liberals are simply projecting their deplorable mindset onto Rush and other conservatives. Because they wanted America to fail under Bush, they just assume Rush and other conservatives want America to fail under Obama. Nothing could be farther from the truth.
So those of you on the right who are refusing to defend Rush by making this obvious distinction better wake up. The people on the left making this point are the same ones who slandered President Bush by saying he started the Iraq war for oil or that he intentionally delayed federal aid to New Orleans' Katrina victims because a disproportionate number of them were African-Americans. Destructive, libelous rubbish!
It's time for you sycophants to understand who is trying to stand up for the America we believe in and that your sycophancy only enables those whose agenda cannot succeed without silencing the effective opposition.
Remember: To liberals, this isn't just about Rush – not even close. It's about you, me and anyone else who loves and defends those things – the Constitution, family values, the unique American culture, etc. – that make America unique.
It's time you represented the opposition, too, and directed your outrage at those who would use the full power of government to target individuals, whether they be Rush Limbaugh or Joe the Plumber.
Rush Limbaugh and his minions better hope Obama doesn't fail because if the economy collapses and our society devolves into chaos, his fat ass and those like him won't last 12 minutes before they're taken out.
You people fail to recognize that this divisiveness and lack of cooperation are exactly what cost you the election. Keep it up...you're the best thing that ever happened to the Democratic party.
Americans won't take no for an answer! (http://www.americansunitedforchange.org/blog/entries/new_ad_americans_wont_take_no_for_an_answer/)
Rush Limbaugh is an overfed buffoon, and James Carville is a rabid dog wearing someone's Salvador Dali-esque concept of a human disguise. Beware of extremists at either end of the spectrum.
. . ."people fail to recognize that this divisiveness and lack of cooperation are exactly" the reasons this economy is what it is today! :rant:
"to us, bipartisanship is them being forced to agree with us..." - rush limbaugh at cpac.
Rush isn't an extremist. Anyone who listens to him knows that. He is a conservative and actually his beliefs are what MOST Americans believed all the time I've been on earth. The thing is, the leftover old hippies came into power and started making people believe that their beliefs were what everyone believed. They are far from it. Even most Democrats don't want nationalized banks or the govt. to have any stake in them or in AIG or any of the other bailout companies. What I see happening is a coup of the finacial system of our country that has served us well the past 200 years plus. Everyone in Congress (mostly or only the Dems) who made law that the banks had to loan without proof of income or the ability to pay those bad mortgages are the cause of this debacle and Obama and his ilk are taking advantage of it. I'd say these people have more to worry about if the system fails and people go to the streets than Rush will ever have!
Hey. . . I'm a yippie not a hippie! :biggrin:
Quote from: Gardengirl on March 04, 2009, 12:42:35 AM
Rush isn't an extremist.
Bullshit!
QuoteAnyone who listens to him knows that is an idiot.
Fixed this for you!
QuoteHe is a conservative and actually his beliefs are what MOST Americans believed all the time I've been on earth.
And you know this how?
QuoteThe thing is, the leftover old hippies came into power and started making people believe that their beliefs were what everyone believed.
I can't believe that you believe that what they believed was so unbelievable.
QuoteEven most Democrats don't want nationalized banks or the govt. to have any stake in them or in AIG or any of the other bailout companies.
Of course not but what would you have them do; nothing? Should we just let the system collapse? How long or comfortable would your life be with anarchy?
QuoteWhat I see happening is a coup of the finacial system of our country that has served us well the past 200 years plus.
Yes, made possible by the very people who would have you believe that by giving those people more of your money, the 'trickle down effect' would benefit society.
QuoteEveryone in Congress (mostly or only the Dems) who made law that the banks had to loan without proof of income or the ability to pay those bad mortgages are the cause of this debacle...
No law was ever passed that allowed banks to lend money without proof of income or ability to repay and the loans made under the CRA were not those that crashed the mortgage industry. You really need to learn how this happened and who was responsible before you go flapping your gums about something you obviously know little about. Better yet, stick to something you understand and start a thread about being a housewife.
Quote... and Obama and his ilk are taking advantage of it.
No, there trying to fix the mess that was handed to them.
QuoteI'd say these people have more to worry about if the system fails and people go to the streets than Rush will ever have!
Dream on...if that happens, that fat ass has a huge target on him.
Here's a handy utility for Republicans who need to backtrack after saying something even remotely derogatory about the ass hat Rush. (http://www.dccc.org/content/sorry)
Quote from: awol on March 03, 2009, 09:30:15 PM
"to us, bipartisanship is them being forced to agree with us..." - rush limbaugh at cpac.
and the democrats wants conservatives to "to check our core values in at the door...and let them run the show, and us agree with them...." and THAT is their bipartisanship.... :rolleyes:
not going to happen.... :no:
. . ."people fail to recognize that this divisiveness and lack of cooperation are exactly" the reasons this economy is what it is today! :rant:
Quote from: Palehorse on March 04, 2009, 11:02:23 AM
. . ."people fail to recognize that this divisiveness and lack of cooperation are exactly" the reasons this economy is what it is today! :rant:
Our economy is in the mess it is today, has NOTHING to do with people failing to recognize that this divisiveness....it is in the tank, because of poorly ran Bank institutes that had some poor legislation forced upon them....along with the housing market bust.........Government spending MORE and MORE is only making things worse....
if anything....
there SHOULD be more divisiveness between the people and those in Washington blowing our money away........and it is going to keep on happening until there is a revolution with unless, those in charge have got to listen to what Americans are saying....and it is quit wasting money :rant:
at least that is MY view... :yes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 04, 2009, 11:22:20 AM
Our economy is in the mess it is today, has NOTHING to do with people failing to recognize that this divisiveness...
WTF?
Quote....it is in the tank, because of poorly ran Bank institutes that had some poor legislation forced upon them...
Oh, those poor, victim banks...to think they sheeled out all of those hundreds of millions in campaign contributions and lobbying costs only to have the evil government come along and write legislation that would force them to lend irresponsibly.
Are you really this naive?
Quote...Government spending MORE and MORE is only making things worse...
Funny how you weren't singing that tune when Bush decided to spend hundreds of billions on a needless war in Iraq.
first of all, I totally believe the war WAS unnecessary.....but, I WAS upset with Bush's approval of spending and I had stated that many times....
as far as the banks, I'm not making excuses for them...i clearly said they was POORLY ran..
so was our congress....
and jumping on board (being less divisive) with MORE earmark and pork spending is going to HELP our country how?
1. As was said earlier Henry, if not for the stimulus package the poop storm we are now in would be exponentially larger; effectively negating most current and planned construction projects and multiplying those jobless numbers by at minimum factor of 5 if not more.
2. I agree, spending all this money scares the purple kool aid out of me, but not spending it turns that kool aid red. (Along with giving me a case of the drizzles.)
Letting this country implode is not an option in my mind, and what we had been doing for decades was not and did not work. What we are in now is clear proof of it, and blaming someone who has held office for just over 30 days is a smokescreen.
You are right, congress should be the ones holding the bag on this one. They wrote the legislation, they passed it along with the hat to line their pockets.
I'm telling you all, there is a rebellion in our very near future the likes of which has not been seen before. Chaos will be the norm and jungle rules will prevail.
Get ready . . .
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 04, 2009, 11:38:20 AM
and jumping on board (being less divisive) with MORE earmark and pork spending is going to HELP our country how?
Do you really think they should do nothing?
PH, I agree that we NEEDED a stimulus package, I just think we could have achieved a better package for FAR less money that we spent out of pocket (so-to-speak)
although, I'm not as doomesday as you are....I think, we could possibly reach a serious backlash of outrage by the working class of America...
I think also, that recessions come and go........we need more positive leadership at this time....THAT is about ALL washington needs to do........spark consumer confidence.....not spend, spend, spend.
Quote from: Exterminator on March 04, 2009, 12:00:09 PM
Do you really think they should do nothing?
Like I just said to PH....I have never stated we should do NOTHING, but I think we just went OVER the top....
and, I think there is still TOO much greedy congressmen looking out for number one, instead of doing what is best for this country.........and THAT has to start with the leadership....imo
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 04, 2009, 12:00:20 PM
PH, I agree that we NEEDED a stimulus package, I just think we could have achieved a better package for FAR less money that we spent out of pocket (so-to-speak)
Can you provide some examples of how you would have structured a stimulus package?
QuoteI think also, that recessions come and go........we need more positive leadership at this time....THAT is about ALL washington needs to do........spark consumer confidence.....not spend, spend, spend.
Having a cheerleader for president is what got us into this mess.
Quote from: Exterminator on March 04, 2009, 12:05:42 PM
. . .
Having a cheerleader for president is what got us into this mess.
Amen brother! Preach it on! :yes:
Quote from: Exterminator on March 04, 2009, 12:05:42 PM
Can you provide some examples of how you would have structured a stimulus package?
It wouldn't do any good, you would not understand the Conservative approach...I have stated on here before, and you refused to TRY to understand....we have been down this road TOO many times....it no longer makes any difference...the damage is done.
Quote from: Exterminator on March 04, 2009, 12:05:42 PM
Having a cheerleader for president is what got us into this mess.
Bush did NOT get us into this mess...this mess was done by several greedy pricks in washington....from both parties...
this train wreck has been coming on for several years........
I really believe BO, could have avoided MUCH of this, with a more positive attitude, instead of worrying about trying to cover his ass....
unlike Rush, I do NOT want this president to fail.......I just want him to slow down with his liberal agenda's...and do what is best for the country NOT his legacy....I got a family to raise.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 04, 2009, 12:20:08 PM
It wouldn't do any good, you would not understand the Conservative approach...I have stated on here before, and you refused to TRY to understand....we have been down this road TOO many times....it no longer makes any difference...the damage is done.
Is it beneath you to simply admit that you simply don't know the answer? I willingly admit that I don't and I have a lot of experience solving complex business problems.
QuoteBush did NOT get us into this mess...this mess was done by several greedy pricks in washington....from both parties...
this train wreck has been coming on for several years........
That's like saying that a ship that hits an iceberg was headed in that direction since the day it was put in the water. Every prior captain had successfully navigated around the iceberg but it's still their fault that this one could not because they didn't remove the iceberg for him.
it is not beneath me ex........but, when I see how we handled previous recessions....and then we go and pass the largest spending bill in the history of the United States....I simply think, we should be looking at similar approaches, rather than doing the opposite.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 04, 2009, 12:57:32 PM
it is not beneath me ex........but, when I see how we handled previous recessions....and then we go and pass the largest spending bill in the history of the United States....I simply think, we should be looking at similar approaches, rather than doing the opposite.
Really? Not that the current situation is like previous recessions but in which of those during your lifetime did we not cut taxes and increase spending?
Quote from: Exterminator on March 04, 2009, 01:21:09 PM
Really? Not that the current situation is like previous recessions but in which of those during your lifetime did we not cut taxes and increase spending?
well if you call 13 dollars a week a stimulus incentive.........and increasing the taxes of most of our entreprenuers...and spending through the roof, AFTER we have given away several BILLION to banks and auto industries...alrighty then.
You are concentrating on minutia and drifting from the bigger picture.
Quote from: Exterminator on March 04, 2009, 03:16:46 PM
You are concentrating on minutia and drifting from the bigger picture.
I hope you are right....and time will tell.
I'd hate to hear the caterwauling coming from the peanut gallery had the tax rates just been increased within the same brackets as usual. . . :rolleyes:
Like cats with their tails in a rat trap!
Our economic crisis is because of greed. There was alot of houses on the market that the banks were holding. They got Washington to let up on the lending rules. Then in turn loaned money for these homes to people who could not afford them for the first year on interest only loans. After they reaped the interest they sold the loan to Freddie and Fannie(goverment backed) who then tried to cash in on the loans. People could not pay the payments and gave up the houses. Freddie and Fannie went broke and got the goverment to bail them out. By the way Bush, Cheney and many others tried to warn the House about this in 2006 and were told it wasn't so. Thats the way it was. JMO
Quote from: Palehorse on March 04, 2009, 03:58:39 PM
I'd hate to hear the caterwauling coming from the peanut gallery had the tax rates just been increased within the same brackets as usual. . . :rolleyes:
Like cats with their tails in a rat trap!
Exactly!! People rolling their eyes and scoffing at the minor tax break knowing full well they would be all up in arms and pissed about the ENORMOUS tax increase of $13 if that had happened.
You do the math: Food and all personal costs are going up, state, real estate, gas and other taxes are going up. Federal income taxes are more with less deductions. ( i am personally for the flat tax with tax on all luxury items) myself. Over 5 million people laid off jobs with loss of health insurance for their families, probably even their homes. A congress that voted themselves nearly 100,00.00 dollar raise during these hard times. Yep, I think that the dems are doing a good job. Rush is hitting a nerve with this yellow bellied sap suckers and they can't stand it. he he he!
Welcome aboard, mcgonser; this forum needed the ramblings of another uninformed, uneducated housewife!
As for Rush and his ilk, they're the best thing that ever happened to the Democratic party. (http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/03/10/cafferty.republicans/index.html)
I found it very interesting that John McCain's daughter was interviewed on one of the morning news programs and discussed her distaste for the people who seem to be "speaking" for the Republican party. She mentioned specifically Ann Coulter. She said it is very hard to talk to the 20 somethings and 30 somethings about the ideals of the Republican party when the extremists are being seen as the norm.
Maybe the republican party should think about who they allow to represent them as a whole.
Quote from: kimmi on March 11, 2009, 11:57:10 AM
She said it is very hard to talk to the 20 somethings and 30 somethings about the ideals of the Republican party when the extremists are being seen as the norm.
The point that she is missing is that they
are the norm. How many of our forum neocons have indicated that they support that stance and how many have condemned those taking it?
Quote from: Exterminator on March 11, 2009, 12:05:58 PM
The point that she is missing is that they are the norm. How many of our forum neocons have indicated that they support that stance and how many have condemned those taking it?
True but I would like to think that we don't have a very good cross section of repubs here! :razz:
Quote from: kimmi on March 11, 2009, 12:27:20 PM
True but I would like to think that we don't have a very good cross section of repubs here! :razz:
I would like to think that as well but it isn't true.
You don't think people are more moderate in real life, than here? I'm not sure, but I hope so. There's plenty of opportunity for MOR discussions, but so often the issues are discussed based on biased sources...in one direction or the other. Then again people tend to gravitate towards what holds the most comfort for them. It's scary to think Ann Coulter is comfortable for someone.
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on March 11, 2009, 12:52:40 PM
You don't think people are more moderate in real life, than here?
I'm not; I'm a radical who doesn't much see a significant difference between nor care for either of the two major political parties. Expecting a third party candidate to get elected, however, isn't reasonable so I am forced to select between the lesser of two evils. Given that choice, I am forced to side against war-mongers who would like to force their religious dogma down my throat and for those who will at least visit using my money to help those who are less fortunate rather than using it to line the pockets of the already rich under the guise that that somehow benefits me.
Quote from: Exterminator on March 11, 2009, 01:16:31 PM
I'm not; I'm a radical who doesn't much see a significant difference between nor care for either of the two major political parties. Expecting a third party candidate to get elected, however, isn't reasonable so I am forced to select between the lesser of two evils. Given that choice, I am forced to side against war-mongers who would like to force their religious dogma down my throat and for those who will at least visit using my money to help those who are less fortunate rather than using it to line the pockets of the already rich under the guise that that somehow benefits me.
that is the biggest crock of crap......you have now proved to me that you do NOT understand how government works..despite your ability to throw your 'so-called' education and YEARS of business endeavors...all of this is NOT rocket science and yet you seem to honestly not be able to recognize the truths....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 11, 2009, 01:30:01 PM
that is the biggest crock of crap......you have now proved to me that you do NOT understand how government works..despite your ability to throw your 'so-called' education and YEARS of business endeavors...all of this is NOT rocket science and yet you seem to honestly not be able to recognize the truths....
Dude, you really need to seek professional help about your delusions of grandeur. You're really making yourself look stupid.
Quote from: Exterminator on March 11, 2009, 02:07:59 PM
Dude, you really need to seek professional help about your delusions of grandeur. You're really making yourself look stupid.
I don't need professinal help to make myself look stup.............I uh.......mean uh...
:biggrin:
None of us do.
Quote from: Exterminator on March 11, 2009, 11:18:13 AM
Welcome aboard, mcgonser; this forum needed the ramblings of another uninformed, uneducated housewife!
As for Rush and his ilk, they're the best thing that ever happened to the Democratic party. (http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/03/10/cafferty.republicans/index.html)
Boy have you got me pegged wrong, but it doesn't surprise me. You are real good at jumping to conclusions with your negative attitude. But thats alright. It takes all kinds.
Quote from: mcgonser on March 11, 2009, 08:58:11 PM
Boy have you got me pegged wrong...
Did I get the housewife part wrong?
Yes, you did get it wrong Ex. Try retired professional with a college education.
Quote from: mcgonser on March 12, 2009, 08:39:14 AM
Yes, you did get it wrong Ex. Try retired professional with a college education.
To whom spelling and grammar come with so much difficulty? Pardon me if I seem a bit skeptical. By the way, did I tell you that I am a brain surgeon and that I have a dog who can talk?
I can tell that you did not go to college. I saw more grammer and spelling mangled than I did in High School. Even by professors. LOL
If I was going to pick an editor for a book I would take a High School English Teacher over a professor any day, I am afraid that some of my slips with the Kings English are bad habits and bad memory.
Quote from: mcgonser on March 12, 2009, 08:54:24 AM
I can tell that you did not go to college. I saw more grammer and spelling mangled than I did in High School. Even by professors. LOL
* grammar, genius. :rolleyes:
You must be a joy to be around Ex. So critical and superior.
I will add this, Rush must be in heaven with all the balleyhoo going around. He has got people to talking. That which he does best.
Quote from: mcgonser on March 12, 2009, 09:07:13 AM
You must be a joy to be around Ex. So critical and superior.
Sounds like somebody's got bruised meat curtains.
QuoteI will add this, Rush must be in heaven with all the balleyhoo going around. He has got people to talking. That which he does best.
I'm sure he is; every preacher needs his sheep.
Quote from: Exterminator on March 12, 2009, 09:20:24 AM
Sounds like somebody's got bruised meat curtains.
No, I have been been insulted by better. Just an educated guess
Quote from: mcgonser on March 12, 2009, 10:37:52 AM
Just an educated guess
I doubt it but nice try at using the quote function. :razz:
Quote from: Exterminator on March 12, 2009, 10:42:13 AM
I doubt it but nice try at using the quote function. :razz:
Is this better ex? I don't know how a poor, uneducated, housewife, trailer trash woman like me figured it out. I just hope you big, smart, better than me guys can stand it. Mercy me
Yes, that's better; thank you. :yes:
Oops! I just realized I cannot be a housewife, spectacular women that they are, because I don't have a husband. Silly me!!!!!!!!!!!
You don't go that way? :icon_twisted:
Quote from: mcgonser on March 12, 2009, 01:06:27 PM
Oops! I just realized I cannot be a housewife, spectacular women that they are, because I don't have a husband. Silly me!!!!!!!!!!!
Tisk, tisk, tisk. . . If you aren't fishing then you better stop cutting bait! :biggrin: :razz: :wink:
OK, lets tell all. You first which way do YOU go?
(Rot-Roh)
All individuals under the age of 18, and those with sensitivity need to leave this topic right now!
:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
Awesome!! My mom forgot to put the kid controls back on the puter!! :biggrin:
:ogle: :pop:
Quote from: mcgonser on March 12, 2009, 04:55:05 PM
OK, lets tell all. You first which way do YOU go?
Do you have daughters?
No
:pop: :food5: :food2: :pizza:
It's really a shame when we must resort to attacking people as people-----their character, personality, sexuality, etc. ------rather than attacking their ideas.
Thank you Prof. well said.
Ex: I guess I am asking you to put up or shut up. You make an accusation about me without any proof or reasonable evidence. You should not ask anyone a question you are not ready to answer for yourself. We should be able to disagree without being disagreeable. So come on Ex tell all, which way to you lean?????Give us all the dirty little info.
I'm straight, thank you. So what accusation did I make?
Quote from: Exterminator on March 12, 2009, 03:01:27 PM
You don't go that way? :icon_twisted:
I believe you said this, what did you mean. Maybe you need to make yourself clearer.
I was responding to your not having a husband. I assumed you were female because no man would say that.
Ok: To inform you about me here it is. I am a Widow, mother, grandmother and great-grandmother. I had sons, no daughters. I am now retired and live in NW Ok. I won't use personal names or give personal info other than this. I think you can understand why? Its not exactly safe out there is it?
Come on McG. . . he's had tone lock on you since you made it clear you are female. . . And he's not female. . . :biggrin:
Thats ok PH: I can overlook him not being female. Someone has to be male. :biggrin: ;D
Palehorse, Exterminator, and Pa: the triumvirate (Latin for three men) of maleness! How do you like us now? :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
Quote from: Ma and Pa on March 13, 2009, 08:15:25 PM
Palehorse, Exterminator, and Pa: the triumvirate (Latin for three men) of maleness! How do you like us now? :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
:biggrin: As long as we aren' the 3 "scamnum"! :biggrin: ( Latin for stooges) :biggrin:
"Scamnum" sounds like one of the ingredients in potted meat.
I am not for sure Rush is Republican or Libertarian, conservative. The Republican party use to be conservative too, but has been evolving into something different. Not for sure what.
Mcgonser, you are right. Many so-called Republicans are actually Rino's (Republican in name only). Many of them have very few, if any, conservative principles. If the republicans do not get back to standing for conservative principles they will continue losing elections and they should.
They will lose not only elections but members too. I have seriously considered going independent or libertarian.
Quote from: Ma and Pa on March 14, 2009, 12:14:27 AM
"Scamnum" sounds like one of the ingredients in potted meat.
:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
Quote from: mcgonser on March 14, 2009, 09:57:12 PM
They will lose not only elections but members too. I have seriously considered going independent or libertarian.
I am registered as an independent but my views lean heavily toward libertarian.
I had a dream: Bear with me. We had the American party only where anyone could run. No conventions no party lines, no one you owe your loyalty too after the election except the American People. More of a grass roots campaign according to the money you could raise from the taxpayer, there is no political party to back you so you are on your own. Then the major networks would have the candidates on and introduce them to us and let us know what they wanted to get done as president. (All candidates) In this dream there was term limits of 2 terms only so the Congress (senate and house) could not accumulate alot of power or stroke to influence the other. All raises would be voted on by the voters. All politicians paid attention to the voters and tried to do what was best for them.(what a novel idea). There was no lobbyist to only get what they want for special interests. These special interests would have to woo the voters instead. I had a dream and then I woke up.
I honestly believe that the two-party system, along with its infernal bastard cousin, the lobbyist cult (yes, including my beloved NRA), will be the eventual ruination of our country, relegating it to the status of a third-world nation -- IF IT HAS NOT ALREADY DONE SO. The water has to swirl around the toilet bowl a few times before it goes down, you know. We may be in swirl mode. :spooked: