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Henry Hawk

March 11, 2008, 04:48:17 PM
To follow up from another post, I decided to start a new thread....I spent some time on this before on another forum a few years ago....

I believe we ALL have free will and God allows us to choose what type of vessel we want to be.... God takes no pleasure in the death of the unrighteous.

23 Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked? declares the Sovereign LORD. Rather, am I not pleased when they turn from their ways and live? Ezek 18:23

32 For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign LORD. Repent and live! Ezek 18:32

9The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

Our God is loving...but He is also Holy, Righteous, and Just...He will not tolerate sin and rebellion...some may think that's unfair.....God is who He is and people wishing things were different will not change the reality of His nature...fortunately for us, He is a God who loves His creation.
He provided a way to remove our sin and rebellion...He did this without in any way shape or form...removing our free will....He did this through his son Jesus Christ...we can go on rebelling if we wish......we have free will....He will tolerate that rebellion with patience...for a time....we need to understand that those who persist will die as a consequence of their rebellion.

23For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Rom 6:23

This may not seem very loving, but consider...He also was willing to put His own son to death so that all might live....only if they want to though.

I will discuss, but not argue this.......if anybody wants to get nasty or disrespectfull, I won't respond..........I WILL do my best to give you my opinion, based on my reading and study of the Bible...which is nothing to brag about....but, I am TRYING to increase my wisdom in this area....I am not good at resonding quickly......and I WANT to be very careful with my responses pertaining to this.............on politics..ehh...I say things that don't always come out right....no big deal......but, after praying about this....it is something I will do, only out of respect and honor of God, who, I personaly am gratefull for His Grace and Love that He has provided for me on a personal level....



"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

IYT

#1
March 11, 2008, 04:57:20 PM
Yep, folks just trying to rule the world with dire consequences of the after-life.  Jesus didn't die for our sins.  Jesus dies because he was a whiny liberal, and thank God the good, God-fearing, conservative Romans who rightfully believed in the death penalty.  Happy Easter everyone!!! :biggrin: :icon_twisted:

Go ahead and roll your eyes hawk.   
"Goatboy's personal favorite, the peach under pear imagery which Monet used to such good affect in his blue ball period . C'mer my little fruit basket "-Bill Hicks

Henry Hawk

#2
March 11, 2008, 05:07:27 PM
Quote from: IYT on March 11, 2008, 04:57:20 PM
Go ahead and roll your eyes hawk.   

okay............... :rolleyes:    ;) ;D
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Gryphon

#3
March 11, 2008, 05:32:34 PM
This is one Ive never been able to wrap my head around...

if God is a loving God, why did the forgiveness of our prayers come at the cost of his son? Why not just grant that forgiveness to those who honor him? Why the "middle man"?

Henry Hawk

#4
March 11, 2008, 06:27:36 PM
Quote from: Gryphon on March 11, 2008, 05:32:34 PM
This is one Ive never been able to wrap my head around...

if God is a loving God, why did the forgiveness of our prayers come at the cost of his son? Why not just grant that forgiveness to those who honor him? Why the "middle man"?

Okay, here is my take on this............God SO loved the world He gave His one and only Son....I think, that God wants to have a real and loving relationship with everyone...........but, He wants a sincere relationship..........He set rules and regulations to live by........and people failed it miserably............so He decided to show His sacrifice of how much He loves us.....all He wants is, for us, by our own free will...to Honor His sacrifice, through the blood of His one and only Son Jesus.....

I'm sure your parents have told you when you was a kid that they don't like punishing you...as a parent, I HATE that I sometimes have to punish my kids........In the same way, the God says in (Ezekiel 33:11) Say to them, 'As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live. Turn! Turn from your evil ways! Why will you die, O house of Israel?'

He wants nothing more, than man to admit their wrongdoings....and accept that He gave us one simple task to honor...and that's all.........and those who do, can have an eternal life in paradise with Him....
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

IYT

#5
March 12, 2008, 10:12:19 AM
If God did send his son to die for our sins, it wasn't my sins.  It was the sins of those awful, homosexual Greeks.  Blame the Greeks, not the Romans. 

Sorry to spam your thread with my silliness, so I'll ask a legit question.  If Jesus was the son of God, then would Jesus not be God?  What's the difference between the son of God and God?  I mean usually when you talk of someone having a son, there is a penis involved somehow.  Maybe Jesus was not the son of God, but just God manifested?     
"Goatboy's personal favorite, the peach under pear imagery which Monet used to such good affect in his blue ball period . C'mer my little fruit basket "-Bill Hicks

Gryphon

#6
March 12, 2008, 10:17:52 AM
speaking of penises, if God created us in his own image, what did he need a penis for?  ;D

Henry Hawk

#7
March 12, 2008, 10:19:25 AM
Quote from: IYT on March 12, 2008, 10:12:19 AM
If God did send his son to die for our sins, it wasn't my sins.  It was the sins of those awful, homosexual Greeks.  Blame the Greeks, not the Romans. 

Sorry to spam your thread with my silliness, so I'll ask a legit question.  If Jesus was the son of God, then would Jesus not be God?  What's the difference between the son of God and God?  I mean usually when you talk of someone having a son, there is a penis involved somehow.  Maybe Jesus was not the son of God, but just God manifested?     

Well the Bible tells us He was born, by a regular woman, was a real baby, grew up as a real human....BUT, it WAS God, himself that lived through His Son....it was the only way, He could set himself apart from being God to being as a man.....heck if He can create the Universe, I have no problem that He can do this..........for me, I realize He IS GOD......the whole trinity thing CAN be quite confusing, but then there are times it DOES makes some sense...

IYT, your a goofball...and I love it.. ;D......your comments sometimes are way out,but yet not tooo far either......but the do make me laugh.... ;D
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Henry Hawk

#8
March 12, 2008, 10:20:52 AM
Quote from: Gryphon on March 12, 2008, 10:17:52 AM
speaking of penises, if God created us in his own image, what did he need a penis for?  ;D

Now there is a real stumper.. :confused:..that I'm pretty sure is NOT covered in the BIBLE....at least specificaly... ;D
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

IYT

#9
March 12, 2008, 10:22:53 AM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 12, 2008, 10:19:25 AM
heck if He can create the Universe, I have no problem that He can do this..........for me, I realize He IS GOD......the whole trinity thing CAN be quite confusing, but then there are times it DOES makes some sense...

He created the universe so he could hole up in some 99 year old, virgin, vagina. :biggrin:
And the whole trinity thing is confusing, but what isn't?
"Goatboy's personal favorite, the peach under pear imagery which Monet used to such good affect in his blue ball period . C'mer my little fruit basket "-Bill Hicks

bevis

#10
March 12, 2008, 03:17:23 PM
did god start out as god, or did he have to become god? seems like a pretty good gig, is all.  i'd like to look into an intern program.

IYT

#11
March 12, 2008, 03:20:34 PM
I wonder if aliens can talk to God yet.  I think it's God that has kept the aliens from obliterating our planet.
"Goatboy's personal favorite, the peach under pear imagery which Monet used to such good affect in his blue ball period . C'mer my little fruit basket "-Bill Hicks

bevis

#12
March 12, 2008, 03:27:21 PM
seems like aliens mostly want the insides of cows.  and a little anal probing now and again.  evidently god's not interested in stopping them from that!

IYT

#13
March 12, 2008, 03:42:02 PM
Well we kill cows and probe ourselves voluntarily.  How's that Kids in the Hall skit go?

Playing the character of an alien-Dave Foley
"We've been traveling millions of light years for millions of years anal probing earthlings and all we've found out is one out of ten enjoy it."-not exact quote, but I thought it was funny.
"Goatboy's personal favorite, the peach under pear imagery which Monet used to such good affect in his blue ball period . C'mer my little fruit basket "-Bill Hicks

Doc

#14
March 12, 2008, 04:49:26 PM
It is basically your will that is free; you are free to think what you want, and free to make every decision on your own. God provides you with the ability to choose for yourself, (with the added implicit warning that you would do well to choose wisely). They can be bad choices or good choices, but they are your choices.

Free will is not a promise that all is possible and all desires will be provided for.

There is nothing that mankind has done, as far as I'm concerned, to affect or suppress my free will. That I, and I alone, am the master of. I make all my own choices.

This reminds me of a conversation at church. Does mankind take away our free will through establishing laws?
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