Vents: Random Acts of Venting!

[The Troll]

The healthcare bill is not the answer.  Why do you think the dems in congress bucked against having to go on it when the republicans suggested it be included in the bill that even they, congress, had to be on the same healthcare as the rest of us?  They're exempt from it. Remember?

  Oh Precious one, with heart of gold and kindness for all.  What do you suggest we do about healthcare since you have your's covered?

[me]

That is more smoke and mirrors. Exactly the kind of crap that is put out there to divert your attention from the fact they are bending us over and dry humping the 99% group. Using congressional coverage as an example is nothing more than a penis envy tactic.

The fact is healthcare insurance companies own our elected officials and they will never submit to regulation, ever. They have paid enough money to make sure that is the case, and why not? All they have to do is bump up our premiums and deductibles another 30-40% and they recoup the money.

In the meantime that 50 million uninsured pool will double within the next 5 years. . . watch.

That didn't even answer my question so let me rephrase it.  If it's so good for us why isn't it just as good for them?   

[Palehorse]

That didn't even answer my question so let me rephrase it.  If it's so good for us why isn't it just as good for them?

Asked and answered:. . ."Using congressional coverage as an example is nothing more than a penis envy tactic."

This isn't a benefit review or comparison debate. It is about the fact that 99% of the American citizens are being rode hard and put away wet by the insurance industry. It's about the fact that 50 million (estimated) Americans do not have health care insurance because they cannot afford it, and 99% of the rest are putting out a substantial percentage of their income to pay for coverage that covers less each year, and increasingly covers NOTHING until they spend thousands out of pocket, up front, on top of the thousands in premiums they pay.

Rather than talk about the facts and the hard realities surrounding what the healthcare insurance industry is doing to us, the industry is hoping you'll be distracted by "the coverage congress has" and apparently it has worked.

What congress's coverage provides is NOT a topic that should be open for debate within this matter. It is a topic that needs reviewed and debated, I would agree, but not within this arena. It's a diversionary tactic that has you and a lot of other people looking left when you should be looking in the damn mirror!

[me]

Asked and answered:. . ."Using congressional coverage as an example is nothing more than a penis envy tactic."

This isn't a benefit review or comparison debate. It is about the fact that 99% of the American citizens are being rode hard and put away wet by the insurance industry. It's about the fact that 50 million (estimated) Americans do not have health care insurance because they cannot afford it, and 99% of the rest are putting out a substantial percentage of their income to pay for coverage that covers less each year, and increasingly covers NOTHING until they spend thousands out of pocket, up front, on top of the thousands in premiums they pay.

Rather than talk about the facts and the hard realities surrounding what the healthcare insurance industry is doing to us, the industry is hoping you'll be distracted by "the coverage congress has" and apparently it has worked.

What congress's coverage provides is NOT a topic that should be open for debate within this matter. It is a topic that needs reviewed and debated, I would agree, but not within this arena. It's a diversionary tactic that has you and a lot of other people looking left when you should be looking in the damn mirror!

I guess inadequate healthcare could be better than nothing for those who have none but it sure will be a shocker to those who have good care now and are expecting it to get better or continue.   

[Palehorse]

I guess inadequate healthcare could be better than nothing for those who have none but it sure will be a shocker to those who have good care now and are expecting it to get better or continue.

We'll never get "better" unless congress agrees to regulate the healthcare insurance industry; exactly what the HCRA was intended to do.

[me]

We'll never get "better" unless congress agrees to regulate the healthcare insurance industry; exactly what the HCRA was intended to do.

Somehow I believe there's a little, no a lot, more to it than that.  It wouldn't have taken all those pages of "regulations" to allow insurance to be sold across state lines which would have opened up more competition, or torte reform to put the skids on outrageous settlements and frivolous law suits.  The HCRA didn't even address that.

[Palehorse]

Somehow I believe there's a little, no a lot, more to it than that.  It wouldn't have taken all those pages of "regulations" to allow insurance to be sold across state lines which would have opened up more competition, or torte reform to put the skids on outrageous settlements and frivolous law suits.  The HCRA didn't even address that.

Wow. . . It was supposed to make insurance companies stop their predatory policies and rampant premium increases; addressing the automatic application of basic diagnostic testing toward high deductibles by requiring coverage, etc. Instead, it has the teeth removed from it during the "debate and review" and congress passes a toothless bill that enables and encourages higher-deductible plans that apply EVERYTHING toward it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. . . The POTUS could have vetoed it but why bother. There was no way anything more was going to pass, and had he done so they would still be "debating" it. As it is they've been screaming to get it in front of the SCOTUS ever since, and now that it is they seem to conveniently forget that the very jack wagons doing most of the yapping are the ones who passed it in the first place, and they want to tie the knot around the neck of the POTUS. (funny how the conservative faction of this political process sweep the Bush debacles under the rug, but expect, no, demand perfection from everyone else).

If we wait for it to address everything that is wrong it will NEVER get started or done. The last 4 years are a prime example of this. As a matter of fact, watch what happens to the funding / budget. . .

The bull shit never stops with these people. Never. . .  Because it is so profitable for them individually.

You want to change that? How about implementation of a pay for performance compensation structure for congress? (Yeah, that'll happen. . .  ) 

[me]

The premiums increased because insurance companies are now having to, or will be having to, cover preexisting illnesses which means they are going to have to pay out more which, in turn, means they are having to charge more.  Now government can put a regulation on the charges for the premiums but then what?   The insurance companies, if they can't make a profit, drops the health coverage all together which means we end up with, you guessed it, government health care.  Which means no more "plus" coverage and a clinic for everyone, no more dr. of your choice.  Well, except for congress who exempted themselves from the same coverage we're gonna end up with knowing full well what the end outcome was going to be. I just really think those who think this health care is so great haven't thought past everyone being covered to  what that actually means.  In addressing the shortage of doctors the idea was to lower the standard required to enter med school and to graduate so more could pass the test.  What kind of doctors do you think we'd end up with then? 

Ya'll are being told how it should work and how great it's going to be by those who don't even want to be part of it.  Think about it.  If it is going to be so great why don't the very people who are pushing it want to be on it?  Doesn't that send up any kind of red flag at all? 

[The Troll]

The premiums increased because insurance companies are now having to, or will be having to, cover preexisting illnesses which means they are going to have to pay out more which, in turn, means they are having to charge more.  Now government can put a regulation on the charges for the premiums but then what?   The insurance companies, if they can't make a profit, drops the health coverage all together which means we end up with, you guessed it, government health care.  Which means no more "plus" coverage and a clinic for everyone, no more dr. of your choice.  Well, except for congress who exempted themselves from the same coverage we're gonna end up with knowing full well what the end outcome was going to be. I just really think those who think this health care is so great haven't thought past everyone being covered to  what that actually means.  In addressing the shortage of doctors the idea was to lower the standard required to enter med school and to graduate so more could pass the test.  What kind of doctors do you think we'd end up with then? 

Ya'll are being told how it should work and how great it's going to be by those who don't even want to be part of it.  Think about it.  If it is going to be so great why don't the very people who are pushing it want to be on it?  Doesn't that send up any kind of red flag at all?

  OK Baby Cakes, what are we going to replace it with?  Nothing.  That's what the Republican Party wants is, no Medicare, Medicade.  So what you're telling us is, nothing is better that something.

[Henry Hawk]

  OK Baby Cakes, what are we going to replace it with?  Nothing.  That's what the Republican Party wants is, no Medicare, Medicade.  So what you're telling us is, nothing is better that something.

that is a lie, they just want to reform it so it works for everybody, not jus the babyboomers who are using it all up.

[The Troll]

that is a lie, they just want to reform it so it works for everybody, not jus the babyboomers who are using it all up.

  They want to do away with Medicade and put it on the states, good luck on that one.  Ryan want to give out vouchures of $5000 a year to replace or as you say it, reform Medicare.

  Have you really looked at Paul Ryan ideas on healthcare.  Just keep putting away in your retirement plan for paying for all of your health care after you are 65.  Where would you be right now if you didn't have health insurance when your wife was sick.  When and if you get to retire under Republican control you won't have any company health insurance.  You're so damn wrong on the health plans of the Republican Party.   

[Henry Hawk]

Under Ryan's plan, all future seniors will be able to choose among multiple plans, including the traditional Medicare model — wealthier and healthier seniors will receive lower subsidies.  Less fortunate and sicker seniors will receive much more generous premium support.  I thought Democrats were all about fairness?

[Palehorse]

The premiums increased because insurance companies are now having to, or will be having to, cover preexisting illnesses which means they are going to have to pay out more which, in turn, means they are having to charge more.  Now government can put a regulation on the charges for the premiums but then what?

You cannot seriously believe that. Premiums have risen an average 15-25% each year for the last 12 years. . . So this is nothing new or driven by the HCRA. Although they'd like you to believe such.

The insurance companies, if they can't make a profit, drops the health coverage all together which means we end up with, you guessed it, government health care.  Which means no more "plus" coverage and a clinic for everyone, no more dr. of your choice.  Well, except for congress who exempted themselves from the same coverage we're gonna end up with knowing full well what the end outcome was going to be. I just really think those who think this health care is so great haven't thought past everyone being covered to  what that actually means.  In addressing the shortage of doctors the idea was to lower the standard required to enter med school and to graduate so more could pass the test.  What kind of doctors do you think we'd end up with then? 

Ya'll are being told how it should work and how great it's going to be by those who don't even want to be part of it.  Think about it.  If it is going to be so great why don't the very people who are pushing it want to be on it?  Doesn't that send up any kind of red flag at all?

Wow. . . you really are obsessed with this. 99.9% of it is nothing but emotional propaganda designed to enable their bait and switch routine.

Eventually you will see it. I just hope you and others like you, do so before it is too late for all of us!

[Henry Hawk]

Premiums are NOT the problem....the high price of all medical procedures, the over diagnosing by MD's to protect themselves are the problem.
We need to fix THOSE problems.....Obama's plan only increases those areas.

[Palehorse]

Premiums are NOT the problem....the high price of all medical procedures, the over diagnosing by MD's to protect themselves are the problem.
We need to fix THOSE problems.....Obama's plan only increases those areas.

More emotional flotsam. You are talking about apples and oranges. The healthcare insurance industry and healthcare. Two very different topics.

(The AMA regulates the medical field, who regulates the HC insurance industry?)

The HC Insurance industry intentionally blurs the line because they want to regulate medical practice by overriding what a medical doctor determines to be a necessary treatment regimen or series of diagnostic testing procedures, necessary to treat the physical / psychological ailments of a patient they see regularly.

Again, the conservative faction wants to point out the problems with the oranges while the apples rot!

And premiums are a HUGE problem. Paying 5 grand a year in premiums while getting nothing in return until you expend another 5-10 grand in medical expenses is a problem for all but the 1%.