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The Troll

Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 27, 2011, 01:51:50 PM
read what you wrote Troll...............EVERYTHING IS FULL OF HATRED AND LIES.....

You said "Killing or imprisonment of homosexuals"....REALLY?  you honestly believe that?

You said "would make the rest of us to bow down and kiss the ring of Christian leaders in a Christian American, only one religion" REALLY?  you honestly believe that?

but yet, "I" am delsional?....I and full of Hatred?  REALLY?

Please, PH, Sandy, someone who has common sense.......step and straighten out this guy a little?....it is getting kind of "OLD" to even try to converse with him...I know you don't agree with my views, but do I represent "HATE"...?   Really?

  I'm sorry Henery, you're the one who needs help.  You can't see the forest of evil, the Tea Party, because it's behind the curtain of Never, Never Land.  Yes, down the rabbit hole to Never, Never Land.  I do not want this country under the Bible and the Christan religion.

  AS far as the religious far-right Christians are no different than the Taliban if they got complete dictatorial power over us.  What has happened in the pass history of the world, it can happen again.  All you have to do is look at Wisconsin, Ohio, New Jersey, New York and Indiana lately under the Republican Party.  It's so close and you can't or won't see it.  I think it's you won't see it.   :yes: :rolleyes: :razz: 

The Troll

Quote from: Palehorse on June 26, 2011, 03:12:02 PM
I will not subject my animal to any kind of rescue organization. If he cannot remain with me and his "pack", I will put him down.

  Well Palehorse, this is one thing I disagree with you on.  It seem to me a selffish and vengeful way to handle the matter.  I wouldn't do it.  But then again I would have never had a pit bull in the first place.  I think they are dangerous and so does a 100% of the courts and the insurance companies.  But he is your dog and to a court it is just a piece of property.

  So just take him hunting out in a deep woods and kill him and you can bury him there.  Out in a peaceful woods, back to nature.  :confused:

Palehorse

Quote from: The Troll on June 27, 2011, 06:44:33 PM
  Well Palehorse, this is one thing I disagree with you on.  It seem to me a selffish and vengeful way to handle the matter.  I wouldn't do it.  But then again I would have never had a pit bull in the first place.  I think they are dangerous and so does a 100% of the courts and the insurance companies.  But he is your dog and to a court it is just a piece of property.

  So just take him hunting out in a deep woods and kill him and you can bury him there.  Out in a peaceful woods, back to nature.  :confused:

That dangerous tripe is nothing more than media hype. ANY dog is dangerous when the master allows them to be.

Pit Bulls are loyal, loving, intelligent, and very obedient. They become VERY attached to their masters and experience severe depression when permanently separated from their pack. They do not understand what they did wrong, and I will NOT put my animal through such a needless and painful experience. THAT is the bottom line, and it would not matter if he was a pit bull or a mutt.

Are there a lot of useless human beings who own pit bulls and let them rule? Sure. And they are more prolific than any other breed right now, so the incidence of idiots that own pit bulls is also more prevalent. The fact is, the individuals who own these "problem dogs" do not need to own ANY dog, because they will be exactly the same way!

You feel that way because you have been bombarded by media propaganda that highlights the jackasses who own these animals refusal to properly train, and care for their animals. THAT is the problem, NOT the breed.

At one time in America German Shepherds were considered just as dangerous; and popular. And yet, I knew the breed as the intelligent and loyal animals they are because my father bred them; so I spent a lot of time around them.

If you spent 1 hour with my dog you would leave my house saying "I don't believe he is a pit bull". He is the very ambassador for the breed that my wife and I envisioned him to be. And more.

You pounce all over tea party members and republicans over their blind acceptance of the "party propaganda", and yet here you are doing the very same thing. Clearly you have zero experience with the breed and in fact I'd dare say you have not ever spent more than a passing moment around one of these animals. You ought to, because you are in dire need of an education on them. . .

As for my "method" of putting my animal down, should the need arise, I assure you it would be quick, humane, and as painless as possible for the animal.
R.I.P. - followsthewolf - You are MISSED! 4/17/2013

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Palehorse

Think about the facts before you judge.  Pit Bull Statistics are truthful, with no bias.

According to the American Temperament Test Society, temperament evaluations of American Pit Bull Terriers shows that this breed has a very high passing rate of 82.6%.
The average passing rate for the other 121 breeds of dogs in the tests: 77%.

Look at the facts below.  Pit Bulls have gone through so much, yet they're still less likely to attack you then a Rottweiler, German Shepherd, or a Chow.  Pit Bulls are facing bans across the United States and across the world, yet society is to blame, because they're the ones tearing the breed apart.   For many people, Pit Bulls are nothing more then an asset, for making money.  These people mass produce Pit Bulls, force them to fight for their lives, and when they lose their fight, they're killed.  Many situations occur where the Pit Bull will be hung, electrocuted, shot, etc., yet THEY ARE THE ONES TO BLAME?  I find that a little contradicting dont you?


The Pit Bull breed makes up 5-9.6% of the United States dog population.  In 2007, there were above 72 million dogs in the United States provided by American Pet Products Manufacturers Association.  That's between 3,600,000 and 6,912,000 Pit Bull breed dogs in the United States.

So, for our example we'll take the average percent between 5 and 9.6, and use 7.3 percent, which would give an average estimation of the Pit Bull population in the United States.  That leaves us with 5,256,000 Pit Bulls.

Other dog populations (United States):

(estimation) Pit Bulls: 5,256,000

(estimation) Rottweilers: 900,000

(estimation) German Shepherds: 780,000

(estimation) Chows: 240,000

Fatal attacks by these breeds of dogs (1979-1998):

Pit Bulls: 66

Rottweilers: 39

German Shepherds: 17

Chows: 8

When we divide the population by the fatal attacks, we can get a percentage based on the dogs probability of fatally attacking a human.

Pit Bulls: .00125 %

Rottweilers: .00433 %

German Shepherds: .00217%

Chow: .00333%

WELL, it would seem the Pit Bull is at the bottom of the list.  4 times as many Rottweilers, 2 times as many German Shepherds, and 3 times as many Chows are involved in Fatal Attacks based on the population percentage.  It is only logical that if there are more Pit Bulls there would be more attacks.    Lets place a little less blame on the breed and put a little more blame on the people!


Pit Bulls cannot lock their jaw.   
Many people believe this, because of rumors, or even newspaper articles, with no evidence. The structures of the skull, mandible, and teeth, are relative, and quite identical to that of any other dog.

Pit Bulls will not turn on you without warning.   Most people say that Pit Bulls will turn on you. No, Pit Bulls will not turn on you any faster than any other breed would. In fact, the dog will show signs of confusion.  The owner might not pick up on these signals.  Pit Bulls like other dogs, do not just change, they react to their surroundings.  If they're raised under multiple conditions, like around kids, different races of people, they'll grow old accustomed to all different situations, leaving them aware of what's to come.  Nothing will make them CHANGE, or TURN.  It's up to the owner to decide how any dog will react in certain situations.

Pit Bulls are not naturally aggressive towards humans.   
While Pit Bulls are naturally aggressive towards other dogs, it is preventable. On another note, they are not aggressive towards humans. The aggressiveness towards humans was bred out of the breed.

People are the problem, not the dog.   
People always want to stereotype.  When a dog is placed in an environment, set to turn them into a hardened, lonely, aggressive, monster, that is what the result is going to be. This works the same as when kids grow up and become rapists, and killers, because of their home life, as a child.

Pit Bulls were once a sign of pride and dignity of the United States, which is why they were used in propaganda campaigns during WWII.  Their never-quit attitude that was represented by the breed, was a statement the United States sent around the world.  These dogs were once loved and cherished, the only thing that has changed is people.





Petey was the Pit Bull on the show "Our Gang", later known as "The Little Rascals".  Petey became just as popular as the kids themselves.  Many People do not know that Petey was a few dogs. There was Pal who played Petey, and when he passed away, one of his offspring, Lucenay, took over.  Lucenay was the most remembered, and popular of the other Pit Bulls that played Petey.  Lucenay died in 1946, just two years after the show was cancelled.  So not only did one Pit Bull get along with all of the Rascals, but a few dogs were like family to the Little Rascals.

A.  Pit Bulls originated from Bull Terriers and English Terriers.

1. Bulldogs were used for protecting from animals on the farm.

2. I guess you could say that's where they got their protecting/aggressive nature.

B.  In 1835 bull and bear baiting was deemed illegal by Parliament.

1.  From that dog fighting grew.

2.  Bulldogs were bred with White, Black, and Tan English Bull Terriers.

a.  This gave them intelligence and level headedness in a fight.

3.  Mostly used were Staffordshire Bull Terriers and English Bull Terriers for fights.

A.  They were bred to only be aggressive towards other dogs, not humans (fact).

B.  These dogs temperaments were stable and often kept at home to live with the family.

4.  In the mid 1800′s many of these Bull/Terrier type dogs were brought to America.

A. They were bred to be built more muscular, for the work on the farms and the city dog fighting.

B.  In the 1900′s these dogs became known as the American Pit Bull Terrier.

It is important to emphasize that dogs bite today for the same reasons that they did one hundred or one thousand years ago. Dogs are no more dangerous today than they were a century or millennium ago. The only difference is a shift in human perception of what is and is not natural canine behavior and/or aggression and the breed of dog involved.

Examination of newspaper archival records dating back to the 1950's and 1960's reveal the same types of severe and fatal attacks occurring then as today. The only difference is the breed of dog responsible for these events. A random study of 74 severe and fatal attacks reported in the Evening Bulletin (Philadelphia, PA) from 1964-1968, show no severe or fatal attacks by Rottweilers and only one attack attributed to a Pit-Bull-type dog. The dogs involved in most of these incidents were the breeds that were popular at the time.

Over two thousand years ago, Plato extolled a basic understanding of canine behavior when he wrote "the disposition of noble dogs is to be gentle with people they know and the opposite with those they don't know...." Recently, this fundamental principal of canine behavior seems to elude many people as parents allow their children to be unsupervised with unfamiliar dogs and lawmakers clamor to declare certain dogs as dangerous in response to an attack.

Any dog, regardless of breed, is only as dangerous as his/her owner allows it to be.

Addressing the issue of severe and fatal dog attacks as a breed specific problem is akin to treating the symptom and not the disease. Severe and fatal attacks will continue until we come to the realization that allowing a toddler to wander off to a chained dog is more of a critical factor in a fatal dog attack than which breed of dog is at the end of the chain.

Only when we become more knowledgeable, humane and responsible in our treatment of dogs can we hope to prevent future tragedies.



R.I.P. - followsthewolf - You are MISSED! 4/17/2013

That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

The Troll


  You can love your pit bull all you want, I don't care.  But I will tell you one thing if I am out and about and I run into a unleashed pit bull without an owner.  I can tell you I will be on my guard.  I will take out my knife and wrap my left arm, if I have the time and if it attacks me I will cut it throat and guts out.  The same thing if I see any dog attacks anyone. 

  I can help it, that's the way I feel.  I was bit once and I don't want to be bit again.  Oh, yes I do like dogs and cats.  And no I haven't been brain washed by anyone.  I use to deliver flowers to private doors and I know dogs.  I know they can and will bit given the chance. 

The Troll

Quote from: The Troll on June 27, 2011, 09:29:54 PM
  You can love your pit bull all you want, I don't care.  But I will tell you one thing if I am out and about and I run into a unleashed pit bull without an owner.  I can tell you I will be on my guard.  I will take out my knife and wrap my left arm, if I have the time and if it attacks me I will cut it throat and guts out.  The same thing if I see any dog attacks anyone. 

  I can help it, that's the way I feel.  I was bit once and I don't want to be bit again.  Oh, yes I do like dogs and cats.  And no I haven't been brain washed by anyone.  I use to deliver flowers to private doors and I know dogs.  I know they can and will bit given the chance.

  Oh one me thing, how in hell me giving Tea Bagger hell about their thinking has anything to do with pit bulls.  The pit bulls are not trying to take over the country and I think they are smarter than a teabagger.  I would rather be in a house with a pit bull and a dozen dimwitted Republicans Tea baggers.  Me and the dog, I know would get along better.  I would feed a pit bull.  :yes: :biggrin: 

Palehorse

I have been technologically challenged over the past 3 days! 1st, my crackberry took a shit and it was 3 days before I noticed it!  :eek:

So I got that replaced today, and then when I got home from work I discovered my cable modem also decided it was time to take a shit. . . Had to go out and buy another one of those. . . THEN spend an hour on the phone with comcrap just to get them to put it onto the system!  :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
R.I.P. - followsthewolf - You are MISSED! 4/17/2013

That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

The Troll


  Oh, I can see Murphy of Murphy's Law has moved in the Palehorse Stable.  Once the the bastard is in he's hard to get out.  Sorta like bed bugs.   :yes:

Palehorse

Quote from: The Troll on June 28, 2011, 08:54:41 PM
  Oh, I can see Murphy of Murphy's Law has moved in the Palehorse Stable.  Once the the bastard is in he's hard to get out.  Sorta like bed bugs.   :yes:

This is his second visit to my stall in the last month or so. Guess I need to kick him a lot harder this time!  :mad:
R.I.P. - followsthewolf - You are MISSED! 4/17/2013

That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

Exterminator

Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 27, 2011, 09:40:50 AM
Please try to learn something first.

...you should be writing soap oprahs!!!

More irony!
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Exterminator

Quote from: Palehorse on June 27, 2011, 08:58:50 PM
(estimation) Pit Bulls: 5,256,000

(estimation) German Shepherds: 780,000

I'm not buying these population numbers.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Palehorse

Quote from: Exterminator on June 29, 2011, 12:40:23 PM
I'm not buying these population numbers.

They are a decade old. . . the most recent I could find during a cursory search. . .
R.I.P. - followsthewolf - You are MISSED! 4/17/2013

That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

Sandy Eggo

Only after the last tree has been cut down. Only after the last river has been poisoned. Only after the last fish has been caught. Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten. - -Cree Indian Prophecy

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Henry Hawk

Quote from: Sandy Eggo on June 29, 2011, 08:38:31 PM

I'm sorry, that was funny ;D

I gotta admit, I asked for all of thse comments.... :eek: :yes: ;D .............I have GOT to learn to calm down before I hit "POST"... ;) .

too-freakin-shay!!!  :razz:
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