The Star Spangled Banner, like you've never heard it...

[Henry Hawk]

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=21689194

This takes about 10 or 15 minutes.............but, to me, it is a VERY inspiring peice, and absolutly worth the time......it is "The oral history of the night that inspired our National Anthem, the Star Spangled Banner. Listen to this story of our great Veterans during the war of 1812"...

I'm not a history buff............and it's accuracy may or maynot be dead on..........but, it is STILL a very, very interesting veiw of this song...

[Bo D]

Aw, come one, Henry! He even got the name of the fort wrong!

"Interesting view" I guess?

Have we devolved to the point where we can say - "Hey, it may be wrong but it sure sounds good." ?

The true story and the facts are much more interesting.

[Henry Hawk]

Aw, come one, Henry! He even got the name of the fort wrong!

"Interesting view" I guess?

Have we devolved to the point where we can say - "Hey, it may be wrong but it sure sounds good." ?

The true story and the facts are much more interesting.

what is the name of the fort? do you know, or did you just read the Vietnam veteran's comments?

can you prove this guy is wrong?

or do you just automaticaly take the opposite side of things and want to disagree?

do you really KNOW the true story?

[Bo D]

what is the name of the fort? do you know, or did you just read the Vietnam veteran's comments?

can you prove this guy is wrong?

or do you just automaticaly take the opposite side of things and want to disagree?

do you really KNOW the true story?

I listened to enough of it to know that most of it was manufactured drivel.

Yes, I do know the story as presented by legitimate historians. I AM a history buff.

The fort is Fort McHenry and I drive by it every time I go to visit my daughter in Baltimore. I have spent a lot of time there. I have also been to the Star-Spangled Banner Flag House and Museum on E. Pratt street many times.

Any more questions?

[Henry Hawk]

I listened to enough of it to know that most of it was manufactured drivel.

Yes, I do know the story as presented by legitimate historians. I AM a history buff.

The fort is Fort McHenry and I drive by it every time I go to visit my daughter in Baltimore. I have spent a lot of time there. I have also been to the Star-Spangled Banner Flag House and Museum on E. Pratt street many times.

Any more questions?

So other than this guy calling the fort ....Henry, instead of McHenry. .........what else did he get wrong?.....

[Bo D]

So other than this guy calling the fort ....Henry, instead of McHenry. .........what else did he get wrong?.....

So...you're gonna get me to do your work for you? If I get time later today, I'll try to help you out. 

[Henry Hawk]

So...you're gonna get me to do your work for you? If I get time later today, I'll try to help you out. 

point and case of my comments I made earlier on another thread...about challanging me on issues...

the place where he described the flag being held up by the bodies of fallen Americans, was probably added for a tad of drama.....but, the rest seems to be balls on accurate........some drama was induced, but that is the whole point of the segment, to give a dramatic, mind-setting vision of the making of the Star-Spangled Banner, or the original title the "Defense of Fort McHenry"...

I have learned a few more things about the song by doing some research....it has many more versus to it...


"Oh, say can you see by the dawn's early light
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming?
Whose broad stripes and bright stars thru the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming?
And the rocket's red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there.
Oh, say does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

On the shore, dimly seen through the mists of the deep,
Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam,
In full glory reflected now shines in the stream:
'Tis the star-spangled banner! Oh long may it wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion,
A home and a country should leave us no more!
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps' pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!"



Even Mr. Key was a Godly man...

[followsthewolf]

Um...Hank.

Yep. I do know the story of the writing of our national anthem. Just being around history teachers and professors for so long, one develops an appreciation for whence we came.

[Bo D]

Ok, Henry. You asked for it.......

Aside from the fact that he got the name of the fort wrong and that he said it really wasn't a 'military fort' ....

He didn't get to the ship 'by rowboat' It was a sailing sloop.

He wasn't on the ship to negotiate the release of 'hundreds of prisoners.' He was there to negotiate the release of a single prisoner, Dr. William Beanes.

He didn't watch the battle from the British ship at all, rather from the sloop.

Since you like facts, here are some interesting one....

In 1861, Key's grandson was imprisoned in Fort McHenry with the Mayor of Baltimore, George William Brown, and other locals deemed to be pro-South.

Key was a distant cousin and the namesake of F. Scott Fitzgerald whose full name was Francis Scott Key Fitzgerald. His direct descendants include geneticist Thomas Hunt Morgan, guitarist Dana Key, and the American fashion designer and socialite Pauline de Rothschild.

His sister, Anne Phoebe Charlton Key, married Roger B. Taney, future Chief Justice of the United States and author of the Court's Dred Scott decision.

Mr. Key wrote the words as a poem. It was put to music later. The original tune was "To Anacreon in Heaven," an English drinking song written by John Stafford Smith.

And yes, he was a man of God. Was that ever an issue?

[Henry Hawk]

http://usinfo.state.gov/scv/Archive/2005/Jun/07-896211.html


I too have a love for history..............the older I get, the more facinating it becomes to me........I wish I had this love for it, several years ago........especially when I was in school............how cool is that, to sit in a classroom and learn about this country.....I HOPE, that it is accurately portrayed....

guess I better be check THAT out too...

dang.......there just aint enough hours in the day...

[Bo D]

See. Read your link carefully. It confirms what I posted. And more.

It wasn't "hundreds of ships."

"On September 11, the British fleet came together -- 50 vessels"

Thanks Henry!

[Henry Hawk]

Ok, Henry. You asked for it.......

Aside from the fact that he got the name of the fort wrong and that he said it really wasn't a 'military fort' ....

He didn't get to the ship 'by rowboat' It was a sailing sloop.

He wasn't on the ship to negotiate the release of 'hundreds of prisoners.' He was there to negotiate the release of a single prisoner, Dr. William Beanes.

He didn't watch the battle from the British ship at all, rather from the sloop.

Since you like facts, here are some interesting one....

In 1861, Key's grandson was imprisoned in Fort McHenry with the Mayor of Baltimore, George William Brown, and other locals deemed to be pro-South.

Key was a distant cousin and the namesake of F. Scott Fitzgerald whose full name was Francis Scott Key Fitzgerald. His direct descendants include geneticist Thomas Hunt Morgan, guitarist Dana Key, and the American fashion designer and socialite Pauline de Rothschild.

His sister, Anne Phoebe Charlton Key, married Roger B. Taney, future Chief Justice of the United States and author of the Court's Dred Scott decision.

Mr. Key wrote the words as a poem. It was put to music later. The original tune was "To Anacreon in Heaven," an English drinking song written by John Stafford Smith.

And yes, he was a man of God. Was that ever an issue?

careful now, you got your sorces from wikipedia...........didn't ya?..   I'm not a big fan of wiki  

Here is a description By Isaac Asimov...I'm sure this is more accurate of the way it "truly" went down....

http://www.purewatergazette.net/asimov.htm


The story by the topics author....as it sounds may not have been 100% accurate...............I think, the general storyline is good, but the breakdown of the lyrics it what I find the most inspirational..........it is for the most part a very well done dramatization of that time...




and as far as him being a Godly man, I just WANTED to point it out....

[Bo D]

careful now, you got your sorces from wikipedia...........didn't ya?..   I'm not a big fan of wiki  

Here is a description By Isaac Asimov...I'm sure this is more accurate of the way it "truly" went down....

http://www.purewatergazette.net/asimov.htm


The story by the topics author....as it sounds may not have been 100% accurate...............I think, the general storyline is good, but the breakdown of the lyrics it what I find the most inspirational..........it is for the most part a very well done dramatization of that time...




and as far as him being a Godly man, I just WANTED to point it out....

Quit being so hard headed Henry. I got my facts here.....http://www.usflag.org/history/francisscottkey.html

And if you would take the time to read the link that YOU posted http://usinfo.state.gov/scv/Archive/2005/Jun/07-896211.html
You would see that it confirms every fact I listed.

Is it necessary to sprinkle downright lies through a story to make it inspirational? That really turns me off when people do that.

[followsthewolf]

Kind of like a movie that takes "poetic license" to dramatize an event and make it more "inspirational" (read: "marketable," read: "MONEY").

Hyped events just for the sake of making them more "heart-rending" simply makes them into bullsh!t drivel, and renders them useless to me. I do not want to sort out the crap that some moron threw in there because he/she was too lazy or too stupid to research the puke they spew; or, perhaps, they do not expect that anyone will actually check their work to determine factual basis.

Where I work, the writer of this piece of junk would be fired instantaneously, just on general principles for producing such a ball of slime.

[Henry Hawk]

I'm not being hard-headed.........you copied and pasted from wiki....or your source did....


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Scott_Key

Other related items
In 1861, Key's grandson was imprisoned in Fort McHenry with the Mayor of Baltimore, George William Brown, and other locals deemed to be pro-South.

Key was a distant cousin and the namesake of F. Scott Fitzgerald whose full name was Francis Scott Key Fitzgerald. His direct descendants include geneticist Thomas Hunt Morgan, guitarist Dana Key, and the American fashion designer and socialite Pauline de Rothschild.

His sister, Anne Phoebe Charlton Key, married Roger B. Taney, future Chief Justice of the United States and author of the Court's Dred Scott decision.

Robert Altman credited Key with the "title song" of Brewster McCloud, though it contained only John Stafford Smith's instrumentals.


I don't think the man was "LYING'....you are relying on your sources, and he relied on his source.........the overall story is still there.........

and by the way, i'm not saying you are lying either............i agree, i have found several links that side with the one you posted...that seems to be the most accurate story.....I agree that it seems he was there to free his friend, not several soldiers............but, to slam this guy because of a row boat or a sloop.....ehhh...let that part go...