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Henry Hawk

August 24, 2007, 11:20:51 AM
Answer honestly......Do you vote strictly by party or do you actually look at the candidates?

Is there somebody on your opposing party that you would entertain as a possible President?


It seems for me, the last few years it is harder to find a candidate that represents my core of beliefs....the closest person now for me, and though he is not running would be Joe Lieberman....I find that I admire his integrity and his stance he has taken on the war...I do not agree with his economic and social issues...but, I do respect him, and could support him....

what are your thoughts??
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


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Gryphon

#1
August 24, 2007, 11:45:59 AM
I look at the candidates, but at least on a national level (senators, presidents, etc.) they all seem to so blindly follow a party line that there isnt much difference in them.
At the local level, its refreshing to see candidates who arent afraid to stray from the prescribed platform.

Sandy Eggo

#2
August 24, 2007, 11:59:00 AM
Quote from: Gryphon on August 24, 2007, 11:45:59 AM
I look at the candidates, but at least on a national level (senators, presidents, etc.) they all seem to so blindly follow a party line that there isnt much difference in them.
At the local level, its refreshing to see candidates who arent afraid to stray from the prescribed platform.


I agree. For example, I voted for Arnold Schwarzenegger because of his stance on certain issues, environmental, stem cell research, etc. Those issues are endorsed by him, but not the Republican party. I respected the fact that he followed his best judgment and didn't tow the party line.

I agree about the Presidential candidates, but I would (and have) voted for a candidate in a party other than the one I belong to. I have to say that NONE of the Republican candidates excite me, at all, for 2008.
Only after the last tree has been cut down. Only after the last river has been poisoned. Only after the last fish has been caught. Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten. - -Cree Indian Prophecy

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Sandy Eggo

#3
August 24, 2007, 12:01:10 PM
This is kind of off topic, but I just admitted who I voted for. I can recall someone telling me that's a faux pas. Has anyone else  heard that? If so, why shouldn't we?
Only after the last tree has been cut down. Only after the last river has been poisoned. Only after the last fish has been caught. Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten. - -Cree Indian Prophecy

"Women who strive to be equal to men lack ambitition" -- anonymous

Henry Hawk

#4
August 24, 2007, 12:12:17 PM
I never heard of that before..piya..

and I think Arnold is a great example of someone not bowing to the Party, but standing on the issues that are important to him, and what he made his campaign for....

and I wished I could say that there was SOMEONE on the democrat side for the 08 election that I could get a little excited about...but I don't see it....
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

C91

#5
August 24, 2007, 05:52:40 PM
Depends on the race and the candidate.  I've probably voted for more Republicans than Democrats in local races over the past couple of cycles.  (At least in races where partisanship is allowed.  Most municipalities are (wisely) going to non-partisan races.)

But, as politicians (on both sides) move up the ladder, they become more obsessed with pleasing the base with meaningless rhetoric and sloganeering -- not on issues that really matter to people.

Y

#6
August 24, 2007, 08:08:55 PM
While I find both parties irreparably corrupt, I cannot understand for the life of me why anyone from the working classes (middle and below...and believe me, no matter what you think, you aren't a member of the upper class) would vote for any Repug (especially for national representation).  The Democraps may be as corrupt as the Repugs, but at least their corruption leans more towards favoring the working classes.
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Henry Hawk

#7
August 24, 2007, 08:44:26 PM
Quote from: Y on August 24, 2007, 08:08:55 PM
While I find both parties irreparably corrupt, I cannot understand for the life of me why anyone from the working classes (middle and below...and believe me, no matter what you think, you aren't a member of the upper class) would vote for any Repug (especially for national representation).  The Democraps may be as corrupt as the Repugs, but at least their corruption leans more towards favoring the working classes.


That is absolutely the dumbest, stupidest, piece crap that you have ever, ever, ever spewed on here.... :bsflag: :poop:
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Y

#8
August 24, 2007, 09:54:11 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 24, 2007, 08:44:26 PM
That is absolutely the dumbest, stupidest, piece crap that you have ever, ever, ever spewed on here....

...and I'll be more than interested to listen to any cogent rebuttal you may have to offer...so get busy!    :wink:
©  Whamma-Jamma - all rights reserved

Law of Logical Argument - Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.  ;)

"You've probably noticed that opinion pollsters go out of their way to include as many morons as possible in surveys ... I think it's dangerous to inform morons about what their fellow morons are thinking. It only reinforces their opinions. And the one thing worse than a moron with an opinion is lots of them." -- Scott Adams

In other words: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  ;)

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

"Hitler is gone, but if the majority of our fellow citizens are more susceptible to the slogans of fear and race hatred than to those of peaceful accommodation and mutual respect among human beings, our political liberties remain at the mercy of any eloquent and unscrupulous demagogue." -- S. I. Hayakawa

Henry Hawk

#9
August 24, 2007, 10:24:12 PM
I'm referring to the Democraps may be as corrupt as the Repugs, but at least their corruption leans more towards favoring the working classes....that one made me shoot mt. dew outta my nostrils.... :yes:
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Y

#10
August 25, 2007, 12:19:28 AM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 24, 2007, 10:24:12 PM
I'm referring to the Democraps may be as corrupt as the Repugs, but at least their corruption leans more towards favoring the working classes....that one made me shoot mt. dew outta my nostrils.... :yes:

Fact not fiction, do I need to run down a litany of such?

Or maybe you like to provide some evidence that it is the Repugs who favor the working class, 'eh?
©  Whamma-Jamma - all rights reserved

Law of Logical Argument - Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.  ;)

"You've probably noticed that opinion pollsters go out of their way to include as many morons as possible in surveys ... I think it's dangerous to inform morons about what their fellow morons are thinking. It only reinforces their opinions. And the one thing worse than a moron with an opinion is lots of them." -- Scott Adams

In other words: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  ;)

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

"Hitler is gone, but if the majority of our fellow citizens are more susceptible to the slogans of fear and race hatred than to those of peaceful accommodation and mutual respect among human beings, our political liberties remain at the mercy of any eloquent and unscrupulous demagogue." -- S. I. Hayakawa

me

#11
August 25, 2007, 08:16:48 AM
Quote from: Y on August 24, 2007, 08:08:55 PM
While I find both parties irreparably corrupt, I cannot understand for the life of me why anyone from the working classes (middle and below...and believe me, no matter what you think, you aren't a member of the upper class) would vote for any Repug (especially for national representation).  The Democraps may be as corrupt as the Repugs, but at least their corruption leans more towards favoring the working classes.

All the dems know are give away programs and they are giving the money of the working class by taxing them out of existence.  Go back and look at the tax scale before Bush's tax cut and compare it with the tax scale now.  I believe you will find you are paying less.  I believe you will also find that the income at which you had to pay tax's before was lower so some lower income people had to pay tax's under the former administration and aren't now.  Now someone who didn't pay in tax's, lower income won't see a difference but that's the point, they paid none in the first place so theirs wouldn't change. 
To me the dems are all about tax and spend.....To me thats not leaning toward the working class.
Trump 2020

Y

#12
August 25, 2007, 12:11:24 PM
I suggest you go compare actual tax rates and come back with the results. 

Historically the Dems use a progressive tax system which raises the rates on those who benefit the most under our economic system. 

The Reps have been using 'VooDoo Economics', or the 'trickle-down' sytem of taxation which lowers the rates on those who benefit the most under our economic system...claiming that money will 'trickle-down' to the working classes.  You be the judge and let us know if 'trickle-down' works.  Are you better off now than before, all things being equal?
©  Whamma-Jamma - all rights reserved

Law of Logical Argument - Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.  ;)

"You've probably noticed that opinion pollsters go out of their way to include as many morons as possible in surveys ... I think it's dangerous to inform morons about what their fellow morons are thinking. It only reinforces their opinions. And the one thing worse than a moron with an opinion is lots of them." -- Scott Adams

In other words: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  ;)

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

"Hitler is gone, but if the majority of our fellow citizens are more susceptible to the slogans of fear and race hatred than to those of peaceful accommodation and mutual respect among human beings, our political liberties remain at the mercy of any eloquent and unscrupulous demagogue." -- S. I. Hayakawa

me

#13
August 25, 2007, 12:16:24 PM
Yes....
Trump 2020

Y

#14
August 25, 2007, 12:19:10 PM
Well then let's hear it, and see how you can directly relate it to the Repug's 'trickle-down' tax policies.

This should be interesting... :wink:
©  Whamma-Jamma - all rights reserved

Law of Logical Argument - Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.  ;)

"You've probably noticed that opinion pollsters go out of their way to include as many morons as possible in surveys ... I think it's dangerous to inform morons about what their fellow morons are thinking. It only reinforces their opinions. And the one thing worse than a moron with an opinion is lots of them." -- Scott Adams

In other words: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  ;)

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

"Hitler is gone, but if the majority of our fellow citizens are more susceptible to the slogans of fear and race hatred than to those of peaceful accommodation and mutual respect among human beings, our political liberties remain at the mercy of any eloquent and unscrupulous demagogue." -- S. I. Hayakawa
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