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Started by Locutus, May 09, 2007, 09:20:54 PM

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Henry Hawk

#45
May 10, 2007, 12:37:06 AM
Maybe God knows... ;)
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Locutus

#46
May 10, 2007, 12:40:59 AM
If he knows that, then he'll also know that I still think he sucks.   :wink: :yes:
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

Henry Hawk

#47
May 10, 2007, 10:42:38 AM
I'm SURE He know's exactly what you think of Him..... ;) :biggrin:
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

IYT

#48
May 10, 2007, 04:31:21 PM
I went to the website and found it amusing when Kirk says to reach the unsaved, you have to bypass the intellect and make the gospel simple.  I also like it when he says people who believe in a loving God are guilty of idolatry because a loving God doesn't exist and therefore you have to create him/her.
"Goatboy's personal favorite, the peach under pear imagery which Monet used to such good affect in his blue ball period . C'mer my little fruit basket "-Bill Hicks

Y

#49
May 10, 2007, 10:16:51 PM
Quote from: Locutus on May 09, 2007, 09:45:31 PM
I agree about the mystery of the concept.  My point is that there is extraordinary evidence that god, if he exists at all, has gone along his merry way and is no longer concerned with the whole "human" business.  So why the ongoing dependence on the concept?

Quote from: Bo D on May 09, 2007, 09:48:42 PM
And that's part of the mystery after all, isn't it? I don't know if I subscribe to a "conventional" view of God as taught by organized religion. So I don't have a canned answer. But I'm still working on it.

Allow me to recommend an interesting read.  While I may not ascribe to his conclusions, he identifies and addresses this subject.

"The Disappearance of God...a Divine Mystery" by Richard Elliot Friedman.

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Law of Logical Argument - Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.  ;)

"You've probably noticed that opinion pollsters go out of their way to include as many morons as possible in surveys ... I think it's dangerous to inform morons about what their fellow morons are thinking. It only reinforces their opinions. And the one thing worse than a moron with an opinion is lots of them." -- Scott Adams

In other words: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  ;)

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

"Hitler is gone, but if the majority of our fellow citizens are more susceptible to the slogans of fear and race hatred than to those of peaceful accommodation and mutual respect among human beings, our political liberties remain at the mercy of any eloquent and unscrupulous demagogue." -- S. I. Hayakawa

Y

#50
May 10, 2007, 10:25:31 PM
Quote from: awol on May 09, 2007, 09:49:56 PM
this is almost a thread in and of itself...

the short answer:  it's not the dependance on the concept, so much as the sharing of the concept and exclusion of those not associated with it.  you hardly ever hear of anyone belonging to a church of "one".

Give that man a see-gar!  We see this in action, even beyond religion, every day.  Exclusion/superiority appears to be innate in mankind.  Some function of the primal brain or something bred into us over the millennia by the forces of civilization?
©  Whamma-Jamma - all rights reserved

Law of Logical Argument - Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.  ;)

"You've probably noticed that opinion pollsters go out of their way to include as many morons as possible in surveys ... I think it's dangerous to inform morons about what their fellow morons are thinking. It only reinforces their opinions. And the one thing worse than a moron with an opinion is lots of them." -- Scott Adams

In other words: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  ;)

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

"Hitler is gone, but if the majority of our fellow citizens are more susceptible to the slogans of fear and race hatred than to those of peaceful accommodation and mutual respect among human beings, our political liberties remain at the mercy of any eloquent and unscrupulous demagogue." -- S. I. Hayakawa

Y

#51
May 10, 2007, 10:42:59 PM
Quote from: Bo D on May 09, 2007, 09:59:38 PM
But what if we are wrong to expect anything of God? What if He simply created everything and then just sat back and watched?

Quote from: pariann on May 09, 2007, 10:02:05 PM
And I still believe that there is a Creator of some kind, that most of us refer to as God.  I believe is a Celestial Being, and I'll stop there before I get accused of blasphemy. LOL

The concept of a 'creator' is a logical dead-end. 

If one assumes everything is 'created', then there must be a 'creator', but then what 'created' the 'creator.' 
©  Whamma-Jamma - all rights reserved

Law of Logical Argument - Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.  ;)

"You've probably noticed that opinion pollsters go out of their way to include as many morons as possible in surveys ... I think it's dangerous to inform morons about what their fellow morons are thinking. It only reinforces their opinions. And the one thing worse than a moron with an opinion is lots of them." -- Scott Adams

In other words: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  ;)

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

"Hitler is gone, but if the majority of our fellow citizens are more susceptible to the slogans of fear and race hatred than to those of peaceful accommodation and mutual respect among human beings, our political liberties remain at the mercy of any eloquent and unscrupulous demagogue." -- S. I. Hayakawa

Locutus

#52
May 13, 2007, 09:00:01 PM
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GREENSBURG, Kan. -- Church leaders on Sunday told more than 3,000 residents, volunteers and disaster workers gathered in this tornado-ravaged community they should not fear the future because God was with them.

....


Tim Henning, pastor of Peace Lutheran Church in Greensburg, likened the city's plight to that of Job in the Bible, whom God tested by taking away everything he loved but who kept his faith through it all: "We are like him, we lost everything," he said.

Henning reminded residents that God was still with them.


Link to story.

:rolleyes:

Apparently, some still haven't figured out that I'm right in my opening statement.  As I stated previously, I'm left to draw the conclusion that in the best case, god simply sucks, or in the worst case he's just a prick who enjoys fucking with people. 





One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

awol

#53
May 13, 2007, 09:15:28 PM
Quote from: Locutus on May 13, 2007, 09:00:01 PM
Apparently, some still haven't figured out that I'm right in my opening statement.  As I stated previously, I'm left to draw the conclusion that in the best case, god simply sucks, or in the worst case he's just a prick who enjoys fucking with people. 

apparently you seek only affirmation in your assertions.  so - yeah.  god sucks.
"Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music." - George Carlin

Locutus

#54
May 13, 2007, 09:16:41 PM
Quote from: awol on May 13, 2007, 09:15:28 PM
apparently you seek only affirmation in your assertions.  so - yeah.  god sucks.

Your post would suggest that you have some evidence to show otherwise?
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

awol

#55
May 13, 2007, 09:57:12 PM
Quote from: Locutus on May 13, 2007, 09:16:41 PM
Your post would suggest that you have some evidence to show otherwise?

no, it doesn't.  and no, i don't.

the "god" you subscribe to, quite frankly sucks.
"Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music." - George Carlin

Locutus

#56
May 13, 2007, 09:59:43 PM
Quote from: awol on May 13, 2007, 09:57:12 PM
no, it doesn't.  and no, i don't.

the "god" you subscribe to, quite frankly sucks.

Really?  What god would that be?
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

awol

#57
May 13, 2007, 10:01:59 PM
the god who is appathetic, incapable, or simply enjoys the suffering of "his chosen".
"Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music." - George Carlin

Locutus

#58
May 13, 2007, 10:14:56 PM
I think a compelling case can be made that all of those qualities can be ascribed to god, as he's defined by the masses.  The daily headlines are replete with examples. 

For the record, I subscribe to no god.  I'm just pointing out obvious questions that should be asked of any god which is supposedly omnipotent. 
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

pariann

#59
May 13, 2007, 10:21:30 PM
If he/she's omnipotent, why would ANYONE expect him/her to answer the questions?
Looks like I've come full circle.
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