God sucks!

[dan foster]

It is gods will for him to have a "wonderful" experience then run up huge medical bills that ruin him financially.   

Yep; "sucker born every minute".

[dan foster]

While crucification is indeed a horrible way to die, there are documented cases of even worse crucifictions than Jesus.  The Romans documented many times in which leaders of rebellions were crucified and kept alive, nailed to a cross on the side of the road, for days, then smear in meat so the wild animals would tear him apart.  Very gruesome.  Holocaust survivors tell tales of suffering that never ended.  Jesus death on the cross wasn't even the worst that you could go through then.  It seems rather over dramatic to make his death something more than it was to make it seem like it was greater than all just so he could die for everyones sins.  If all sin was that easily cleansed, then why need a death at all? After all, god makes the rules right? If god makes the rules, then he could have just as easily forgiven everyones sins without anyone dying but chose not too.  If god is all powerful, then god didn't NEED any sacrifice to forgive sins, he just required it.  What kind of being requires death to obtain his forgiveness? No father would ever be accepted to do that.   

I am still trying to find out why "he" moved up from burnt lamb to human sacrifice.  Of course, one needs to find out why any blood is needed to provide forgiveness.  I am waiting for a christian to explain exactly how that cosmic blood for sin bank worked (works).  There must be some physics behind it easily reproducible in the Intelligunt Dezine labs.   

[konquererz]

He didn't move up.  There are several well placed instances of human sacrifice.  Abraham and Isaac, a man who asked god for victory and he would sacrifice the first person who came out the door, it was his daughter, and she was sacrificed, and a couple other instances I'm just too lazy to look up.  Isaac was the only child that lived, all the others were sacrificed.  This was borrowed too.

[dan foster]

He didn't move up.  There are several well placed instances of human sacrifice.  Abraham and Isaac, a man who asked god for victory and he would sacrifice the first person who came out the door, it was his daughter, and she was sacrificed, and a couple other instances I'm just too lazy to look up.  Isaac was the only child that lived, all the others were sacrificed.  This was borrowed too.

Yes.  You are correct.  Its just that the jesus one gets all the attention for its "sacrifice" for sin which was an update to "sacrifice" for praise.  There are scores of beings that were "given up" to god (killed) by the holy, devout, or just chosen ones.

[konquererz]

People just have this self loathing that they think they are so horrible that someone must die to make everything okay.  Its really quit the phenomena if you ask me.  Why do people feel like they are so guilty that someone must have died for them? In the end, if you don't believe that someone ever needed to die for you, then you don't go this route. 

[dan foster]

People just have this self loathing that they think they are so horrible that someone must die to make everything okay.  Its really quit the phenomena if you ask me.  Why do people feel like they are so guilty that someone must have died for them? In the end, if you don't believe that someone ever needed to die for you, then you don't go this route. 

I think the whole blood for sin thing is even more simplistic; blood was recognized as a universal constant for life ("blood all looks the same, when you open up the vein" --World Party), so a deity would surely cherish that above all other aspects of a human body (except for the jews and their foreskins).  So, one had to "give up" blood to the god to either praise "him" or in order to get forgiveness.  I'm still looking for that Dr Who Bank in the Sky.   

So, christians had to have a blood sacrifice.  Jews, not believing in jesus, just still have to give up their foreskins....

[Exterminator]

If all sin was that easily cleansed, then why need a death at all? After all, god makes the rules right? If god makes the rules, then he could have just as easily forgiven everyones sins without anyone dying but chose not too.  If god is all powerful, then god didn't NEED any sacrifice to forgive sins, he just required it.  What kind of being requires death to obtain his forgiveness? No father would ever be accepted to do that.   

Kind of an odd way for an omnipotent being to show his 'love'; huh?

Another question that comes to mind is whether or not anything was even sacrificed.  If Jesus rose on the third day, that means he wasn't really dead at all.  How can it be claimed that he sacrificed his life if he wasn't dead?

[Locutus]

Hey now!  This topic belongs on the God Sucks thread. 

[konquererz]

Gods will does not suck.  This man shouldn't b!tch or else god will really get him next time.  If he gets dropped and hurt from a blessing, just imagine what a curse will bring!

[konquererz]

You have free will right? You can chose utter servitude to god or die and burn forever.  Sounds like a great thing for a loving god to offer no?

[followsthewolf]

I think the guy should sue god (since he obviously believes there is one).

Imagine the possibilities for all those whack-jobs out there.

Shew.

[Locutus]

Yeah, but how would he collect if judgment were rendered in his favor? 

[followsthewolf]

He could demand access to heaven on a routine basis while he's still alive.

He couldn't possibly deny that he wasn't received by god, since the supreme being answers all prayer, etc.

[dan foster]

Hey now!  This topic belongs on the God Sucks thread. 

Agree, can we move it as part of that thread?

[dan foster]

Kind of an odd way for an omnipotent being to show his 'love'; huh?

Another question that comes to mind is whether or not anything was even sacrificed.  If Jesus rose on the third day, that means he wasn't really dead at all.  How can it be claimed that he sacrificed his life if he wasn't dead?

We was robbed, goddamn it!