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Henry Hawk

#30
May 23, 2019, 10:48:15 AM
Quote from: AbbyTC on May 22, 2019, 08:25:23 PMOMG.  How ignorant are you?  They bad decision, unprotected sex?  You really think that is the only way a woman can get pregnant?  Contraceptives can fail, a condom can break.  A woman reported her partner unbeknownst to her removed the condom and she ended up pregnant. A bad decision? More like an asshole of a man who didn't want his supposed pleasure to be less and didn't care if she ended up pregnant.  Your last sentence is so flippant.  You have no compassion for women.  A woman is trying to prevent pregnancy with her partner and ends up pregnant because the contraception failed. She already has three kids, they can't afford any more, and now you want her to carry a kid she doesn't want and can't afford? 

If the vast majority of conservatives think it's ok in the case of rape, incest, life of the mom, then Alabama certainly isn't the case.  And you make no sense. Killing is killing except in these cases?  What happened?  It's no longer a baby and became a blob? Now it's ok?  You can't have it both ways and this is something that always bothered me, even when I was anti-abortion.  Now I realize how stupid it is, that we can make exceptions to abortion for rape, incest and mom.  We're still killing, yet now it is ok.  How do you explain this? Why is it ok for that, but not for the woman who's contraception failed and isn't ready (financially, mentally, maybe even physically) for kids?  Face it, there is NO difference.

One more thing. It is A-B-B-Y. Stop spelling my name wrong.  I'm beginning to think you are doing it on purpose; being passive aggressive.
It is still killing a baby.........PERIOD.  I'm tired of all the excuses....that is the way life is.  

btw, I have a friend named Abbey....don't get your panties stuck up your crawl.  Passive Aggressiv?? REALLY   ;D WOW
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Y

#31
May 23, 2019, 11:31:54 AM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 23, 2019, 10:48:15 AMIt is still killing a baby.........PERIOD.  I'm tired of all the excuses....that is the way life is. 

btw, I have a friend named Abbey....don't get your panties stuck up your crawl.  Passive Aggressiv?? REALLY   ;D WOW

The correct term is fetus.  It is a fetus until it's delivered and breathing.  It's also not a legal person with rights until it is delivered and breathing on it's own.  Even then, it's more legally considered property than person.

It's you stupid nitwits who refuse to learn anything and continue to cowtow to your ridiculous superstitions and debunked ideologies and think you have the right to push that crap into the legal system violating the rights of other American citizens.  Your kind is authoritarian, bigoted, hating, racist, anti-American, scum. 

On the other note, of course you're passive/aggressive.  You've been a passive/aggressive little twit since we old timers first ran across you on the old HM.
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In other words: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  ;)

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

"Hitler is gone, but if the majority of our fellow citizens are more susceptible to the slogans of fear and race hatred than to those of peaceful accommodation and mutual respect among human beings, our political liberties remain at the mercy of any eloquent and unscrupulous demagogue." -- S. I. Hayakawa

Y

#32
May 23, 2019, 11:49:40 AM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 21, 2019, 11:44:34 AM"A lie doesn't become truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good, just because it's accepted by a majority." Booker T Washington

That from a fool who lives by the logical fallacy of the 'Appeal to the Majority'

You're an astounding hypocrite!
©  Whamma-Jamma - all rights reserved

Law of Logical Argument - Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.  ;)

"You've probably noticed that opinion pollsters go out of their way to include as many morons as possible in surveys ... I think it's dangerous to inform morons about what their fellow morons are thinking. It only reinforces their opinions. And the one thing worse than a moron with an opinion is lots of them." -- Scott Adams

In other words: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  ;)

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

"Hitler is gone, but if the majority of our fellow citizens are more susceptible to the slogans of fear and race hatred than to those of peaceful accommodation and mutual respect among human beings, our political liberties remain at the mercy of any eloquent and unscrupulous demagogue." -- S. I. Hayakawa

Y

#33
May 23, 2019, 12:01:35 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 21, 2019, 08:48:44 AMKilling is Killing....

You and your ilk are such hypocrites who refuse to live by your own BS and only drag it out when you're trying make ground for your authoritarian agenda.

"Killing is Killing" you won't apply to Capital Punishment, 'military actions', 'self-defense' etc...

...but suddenly when you're attempting to deprive other Americans - in specific, females - of their Rights, you start spewing your "Killing is Killing" hypocrisy.
©  Whamma-Jamma - all rights reserved

Law of Logical Argument - Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.  ;)

"You've probably noticed that opinion pollsters go out of their way to include as many morons as possible in surveys ... I think it's dangerous to inform morons about what their fellow morons are thinking. It only reinforces their opinions. And the one thing worse than a moron with an opinion is lots of them." -- Scott Adams

In other words: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  ;)

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

"Hitler is gone, but if the majority of our fellow citizens are more susceptible to the slogans of fear and race hatred than to those of peaceful accommodation and mutual respect among human beings, our political liberties remain at the mercy of any eloquent and unscrupulous demagogue." -- S. I. Hayakawa

Y

#34
May 23, 2019, 12:23:37 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 21, 2019, 08:48:44 AMIf I can change the law, I will vote for LIFE, every time.

...allow a termination of the baby right up until the last minute it is born....that is HORRIFIC that THAT can be acceptable in this day and time....

This is MY opinion but as you can tell by other comments on here that if you have a differing opinion or one that does not line up with theirs, it's okay to HATE and be an asshole....which is WHY we are becoming a divided nation.

1. What you're actually saying is that you'll vote to violate other American's Rights each and every time.  With corrupt anti-Americans like you voting for other corrupt anti-Americans, you wonder why there are those of us worrying and complaining about corrupt, religious, and RW ideologically stacked courts in this country who should truly be the bastion of Rights and a wall against your corruption of America.

2. Even if your "last minute" crap was true, it's still not your, or the government's, business to interfere physically or legally with another person's Rights...no matter what your 'opinion' of it may be.

3. What we actually hate is your deliberate stupidity, your abject willingness to corrupt America, and that you will not stop until you've pushed your corrupt agenda into law. Your ilk's actions are why we are becoming a divided nation.  Everything you fraudulently claim to stand for, you're actively destroying.
©  Whamma-Jamma - all rights reserved

Law of Logical Argument - Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.  ;)

"You've probably noticed that opinion pollsters go out of their way to include as many morons as possible in surveys ... I think it's dangerous to inform morons about what their fellow morons are thinking. It only reinforces their opinions. And the one thing worse than a moron with an opinion is lots of them." -- Scott Adams

In other words: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  ;)

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

"Hitler is gone, but if the majority of our fellow citizens are more susceptible to the slogans of fear and race hatred than to those of peaceful accommodation and mutual respect among human beings, our political liberties remain at the mercy of any eloquent and unscrupulous demagogue." -- S. I. Hayakawa

Y

#35
May 23, 2019, 01:06:11 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 21, 2019, 10:42:29 AMI'm also tired of the bullshit that Pro-lifers don't give a shit about the baby AFTER it's born....

Practicing Christians are more than twice as likely to adopt than the general population.

1. There are approximately 240 MILLION x-tians in the U.S.

2. There are approximately 108 THOUSAND children is foster care.

3. From 1970 to 2015 (a 45 year period) there have been approximately 45.7 MILLION abortions.

4. There are relatively 50.6 THOUSAND consistent adoptions per year.

The total of 2,3, and 4 don't even come close to the total number of x-tians in 1, so don't bother spewing that crap about x-tians caring or practicing their own BS.  If your claim were even remotely true, the numbers in 2, 3, and 4 would be ZERO!
©  Whamma-Jamma - all rights reserved

Law of Logical Argument - Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.  ;)

"You've probably noticed that opinion pollsters go out of their way to include as many morons as possible in surveys ... I think it's dangerous to inform morons about what their fellow morons are thinking. It only reinforces their opinions. And the one thing worse than a moron with an opinion is lots of them." -- Scott Adams

In other words: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  ;)

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

"Hitler is gone, but if the majority of our fellow citizens are more susceptible to the slogans of fear and race hatred than to those of peaceful accommodation and mutual respect among human beings, our political liberties remain at the mercy of any eloquent and unscrupulous demagogue." -- S. I. Hayakawa

Exterminator

#36
May 23, 2019, 02:02:01 PM
Quote from: Y on May 23, 2019, 12:23:37 PMEverything you fraudulently claim to stand for, you're actively destroying.

This.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Henry Hawk

#37
May 23, 2019, 02:47:30 PM
Quote from: Exterminator on May 23, 2019, 07:29:50 AMThe same holds true as it relates to support of the death penalty; complete hypocrisy.  :rolleyes:
Nope, One is innocent....the other isn't. Not a lick of hypocrisy.....just common sense.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

AbbyTC

#38
May 23, 2019, 06:22:49 PM

Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 23, 2019, 10:48:15 AMbtw, I have a friend named Abbey....don't get your panties stuck up your crawl.  Passive Aggressiv?? REALLY  ;D WOW

Yes, passive aggressive. I know people who will purposely spell another's name wrong to show some sort of stupid aggression, but not in your face aggression.  You constantly spell my name wrong, even after being corrected.  It's annoying and I know if it happened to you, you would get annoyed, also.
In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: it goes on. Robert Frost

Perhaps the butterfly is proof that you can go through a great deal of darkness yet become something beautiful.

AbbyTC

#39
May 23, 2019, 06:36:49 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 23, 2019, 10:48:15 AMIt is still killing a baby.........PERIOD.  I'm tired of all the excuses....that is the way life is. 


You still didn't answer my question and probably because you have no logical answer to it.  Why is it ok to kill a baby in cases of rape, incest, mom's life, but not otherwise?  What happened to make it ok in these circumstances? Did the baby morph into a blob and doesn't matter anymore?  After all, KILLING is KILLING you said. 

I'd like an answer to this.  Why is it ok in some circumstances and not in others?  Please explain, Henry.  I'm waiting.
In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: it goes on. Robert Frost

Perhaps the butterfly is proof that you can go through a great deal of darkness yet become something beautiful.

Henry Hawk

#40
May 23, 2019, 06:48:30 PM
Quote from: AbbyTC on May 23, 2019, 06:36:49 PMYou still didn't answer my question and probably because you have no logical answer to it.  Why is it ok to kill a baby in cases of rape, incest, mom's life, but not otherwise?  What happened to make it ok in these circumstances? Did the baby morph into a blob and doesn't matter anymore?  After all, KILLING is KILLING you said. 

I'd like an answer to this.  Why is it ok in some circumstances and not in others?  Please explain, Henry.  I'm waiting.
I didn't say it was ok in cases of rape and incest.... In case of a Mother's life then I find exception because someone is going to die.... a Mother's death can effect the well being of others.... such as if she already has children depending on her....
Abb E y.... 😉... Get over it ... that is MY opinion and thoughts.....As I have also stated I accept our law... though I think it should be left to the States to decide.....
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

AbbyTC

#41
May 23, 2019, 07:08:18 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 23, 2019, 06:48:30 PMI didn't say it was ok in cases of rape and incest.... In case of a Mother's life then I find exception because someone is going to die....a Mother's death can effect the well being of others.... such as if she already has children depending on her....
Abb E y.... 😉... Get over it ... that is MY opinion and thoughts.....As I have also stated I accept our law... though I think it should be left to the States to decide.....

So let's make the 12 year old carry her father's baby and the 15 year old who was raped by her boyfriend. Let's not give a fuck about them. Sure, they'll have some mental health problems, but that's ok. Because that little blob of cells inside of them is much more important than the safety and well-being of them.
In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: it goes on. Robert Frost

Perhaps the butterfly is proof that you can go through a great deal of darkness yet become something beautiful.

AbbyTC

#42
May 23, 2019, 07:10:05 PM
Saw this on FB, written by a pastor.

  Dave Barnhart writes,
"The unborn" are a convenient group of people to advocate for. They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarcerated, addicted, or the chronically poor; they don't resent your condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike widows, they don't ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they don't need money, education, or childcare; unlike aliens, they don't bring all that racial, cultural, and religious baggage that you dislike; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn. It's almost as if, by being born, they have died to you. You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus but actually dislike people who breathe.
Prisoners? Immigrants? The sick? The poor? Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn.
In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: it goes on. Robert Frost

Perhaps the butterfly is proof that you can go through a great deal of darkness yet become something beautiful.

Palehorse

#43
May 24, 2019, 12:23:48 AM
The root cause for all of this caterwauling is one side of the argument considers intercourse the duty of the woman and an absolute right of a man to impose upon the woman.

The opposing side sees it (correctly) as the expression of feelings the two parties harbor for each other, and the physical manifestation of it. The desire to bring pleasure to one another.

Pregnancy is sometimes the result of this, and more often than not it is unplanned. The decision to bring said pregnancy to full term rests solely upon those that engaged in the actions that brought the result. ( In the cases wherein one of the parties is absent, or forced said action upon the other, thereby breaking the law (s) of humankind, the decision rests solely with the woman.)

Their reasoning is theirs and theirs alone, and no one else's business. Period.

Laws based upon religious belief are a violation of constitutionally guaranteed rights. Period.
R.I.P. - followsthewolf - You are MISSED! 4/17/2013

That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

Exterminator

#44
May 24, 2019, 07:49:48 AM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 23, 2019, 02:47:30 PMNope, One is innocent....the other isn't. Not a lick of hypocrisy.....just common sense.

Are you suggesting that no innocent person has ever been executed?  And WTF happened to killing is killing?  You get to decide who it's ok to kill and who it isn't?  Do you think you're god?  Yes, mountains of hypocrisy.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.
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