Fox News Anchor Baier Admits His Stories on Clinton and FBI Were Wrong

[Locutus]

They used software.

Of course they did.  I can't believe that hasn't crossed anyone's mind.

[me]

They used software.

Why didn't they do that the first time? I think it's bull shit.

[Locutus]

Why didn't they do that the first time? I think it's bull shit.

You think a lot of things, not many of which are true. 

[Exterminator]

Why didn't they do that the first time?

They did do it the first time but they also manually examined emails that were flagged by the software.  What the software told them this time was that these were mostly copies of emails they've already looked at.

I think it's bull shit.

Because it's beyond your level of comprehension.

[parkerdivine]

They used software.

Link?

[Exterminator]

Link?

I'm getting ready to leave work and don't have time to look for it but it was discussed this morning on NPR.  I'm sure you can find it on their website.

[Locutus]

Software.  Unless you really know how this stuff works from being in the industry, it may not make much sense, but it was definitely software. 

I can try and clarify some of this if anyone would like. 

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11/04/maths_defuses_clinton_fbi_mega_bombshell_claim/


From that link:

"To find out how many emails on the laptop were relevant would have taken "seconds", according to e-discovery software industry experts. To then find out how many of those – if any – the FBI had not seen in its previous investigation would, at most, have taken "minutes." Standard methods are to take and match cryptographic hashes of email files (which proves the email files identical, if the hashes match), or to match metadata and then textual content.

[parkerdivine]

Software.  Unless you really know how this stuff works from being in the industry, it may not make much sense, but it was definitely software. 

I can try and clarify some of this if anyone would like. 

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11/04/maths_defuses_clinton_fbi_mega_bombshell_claim/


From that link:

"To find out how many emails on the laptop were relevant would have taken "seconds", according to e-discovery software industry experts. To then find out how many of those – if any – the FBI had not seen in its previous investigation would, at most, have taken "minutes." Standard methods are to take and match cryptographic hashes of email files (which proves the email files identical, if the hashes match), or to match metadata and then textual content.

But all along the classifications of emails were done on at least 112 emails, and those which were sensitive material were later classified.  So, there's no way a software programs was set up to determine those. 

This doesn't seem like a very good investigation...just more or less an excuse to end it quickly.

[Locutus]

But all along the classifications of emails were done on at least 112 emails, and those which were sensitive material were later classified.  So, there's no way a software programs was set up to determine those. 

That determination was obviously made by a human, but once a human had seen those, it's easy for software to determine which emails were duplicates using hashing on the message body or the metadata. 

[parkerdivine]

That determination was obviously made by a human, but once a human had seen those, it's easy for software to determine which emails were duplicates using hashing on the message body or the metadata.

Duplicate? That's a bit of an add on, isn't it? When NEW emails are released, such as the 30,000 emails she claimed she deleted which were recovered, do not indicate duplicates.  You are stretching a bit here, don't you think?  The software is NOT designed to look at sensitive email and then determine if it was later classified and NEVER should have been sent.  If you are Secretary of STate, SURELY you have the intelligence to know when you are discussing something which could become classified, don't you think?

[Locutus]

The FBI determined that many of the emails were duplicates of what they had already seen.  All I'm saying is that's very easily accomplished by software. 

For example:

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This is a sentence.


Here is the MD5 hash for that sentence:

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7d46f2bdf6a4df2681ff0d71abe848a6


Here is the same sentence, but with the number 8 after the period. 

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This is a sentence.8


..and the resulting hash is completely different.

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be6679fc0c5b672fbe02651caf2b1231

It's very easy for a computer to hash things and determine if it's something that has already been seen. 

The same process can be used on documents, pictures, etc., or anything else that can be stored digitally. 

[me]

But what about the ones on Weiners computer?

[parkerdivine]

The FBI determined that many of the emails were duplicates of what they had already seen.  All I'm saying is that's very easily accomplished by software. 

For example:

Code Select Expand


This is a sentence.


Here is the MD5 hash for that sentence:

Code Select Expand




7d46f2bdf6a4df2681ff0d71abe848a6


Here is the same sentence, but with the number 8 after the period. 

Code Select Expand


This is a sentence.8


..and the resulting hash is completely different.

Code Select Expand

be6679fc0c5b672fbe02651caf2b1231

It's very easy for a computer to hash things and determine if it's something that has already been seen. 

The same process can be used on documents, pictures, etc., or anything else that can be stored digitally.

That may have been they had seen those before, but it does not indicate that there were multiple emails with the exact same content in the batch of 30,000. See the difference?  If the FBI reported it in the program, then it was already seen...but that's not to say there were 30,000 emails with the exact same content. 

Am I missing something here?

[parkerdivine]

But what about the ones on Weiners computer?

That's a whole new ballgame..not yet reported..and involves his Wife who is reported (albeit maybe not by a reliable source) to be sympathetic with the same SUNNI muslims of the ISIS variety Clinton gave weapons permits to .

[Locutus]

But what about the ones on Weiners computer?

I thought all of these emails were found on Weiner's computer.