Why don't politicians actually do something about gun deaths?

[me]

It's now obvious that if you're looking for a civil discussion with adults, you won't find it here. .

Prime example Cowboy.......

  You're just a thin skinned Republican who is just a big cry baby.          Bye bye cry baby.        Now go vote for Trump, Dumbass. 

[Henry Hawk]

I'm waiting for Y to show up. 

THIS is what pisses me off!!!   
Instead of discussing a very good topic with Cowboy........you sandbagged, until Y came and threw insults.

NO wonder nobody sticks around here that has opposing opinions. 

Even EX, could only muster up some insults, instead of TRYING to have a conversation.

This place sucks! 

At least the political side does. 

We have had the same folks for 10 years now.........nobody here is going to change anybody's mind.

How many times can YOU guys claim "You can't fix stupid" .. 

It is a waste of time...and useless. 

[The Troll]

THIS is what pisses me off!!!   
Instead of discussing a very good topic with Cowboy........you sandbagged, until Y came and threw insults.

NO wonder nobody sticks around here that has opposing opinions. 

Even EX, could only muster up some insults, instead of TRYING to have a conversation.

This place sucks! 

At least the political side does. 

We have had the same folks for 10 years now.........nobody here is going to change anybody's mind.

How many times can YOU guys claim "You can't fix stupid" .. 

It is a waste of time...and useless. 

  you're right Henry, you just can't fix stupid and that's why we can't fix you.    and a little drum roll.  

[Exterminator]

Even EX, could only muster up some insults, instead of TRYING to have a conversation.

How is it insulting to suggest that his argument wasn't valid because it was based entirely on a false premise?

[Henry Hawk]

Aw, look at the neocon suck-fest; how adorable.   

[Exterminator]

Yeah, well, once I realized that he was just another right-wing moron unwilling to even consider the fact that his logic was flawed, I had no reason to engage him further.  I also don't engage crazy homeless people who wander around talking to themselves for pretty much the same reason.

[Locutus]

THIS is what pisses me off!!!   
Instead of discussing a very good topic with Cowboy........you sandbagged, until Y came and threw insults.

He came in and his very first post was based, like Ex said, on a false premise.  Inner city gun violence, and its causes, are a completely separate conversation that could have been had.  Yet he includes with it a shot at liberal politicians which is completely unfounded and untrue.

People have been screaming, "They're coming for our guns!!" ever since Obama was elected, and not once has a gun grab, or anything even remotely close to it, been attempted by Obama or anyone else.  Yet the screaming continues up to and including the very first post made by your friend.   If you recall back in the 2009 time frame, there was a very real shortage of ammunition that occurred because of these gun nut jobs hoarding ammunition out of fear.  Of course, they blamed their little self-created shortage on Obama anyway and still screamed, "They're coming for our guns!"

Again, as Ex noted, it's a false premise.

So why don't progressive liberal politicians make any real effort to stop suicides and inner city gang killings? Because they want to disarm us and do away with the Second Amendment, so they need those statistics in order to justify it. After all, if they stopped 90+% of all gun deaths, there'd be no issue and no excuse to disarm Americans, would there?

The real question then, is why they want to disarm We, the People? What do they have in mind?

[me]

He came in and his very first post was based, like Ex said, on a false premise.  Inner city gun violence, and its causes, are a completely separate conversation that could have been had.  Yet he includes with it a shot at liberal politicians which is completely unfounded and untrue.

People have been screaming, "They're coming for our guns!!" ever since Obama was elected, and not once has a gun grab, or anything even remotely close to it, been attempted by Obama or anyone else.  Yet the screaming continues up to and including the very first post made by your friend.   If you recall back in the 2009 time frame, there was a very real shortage of ammunition that occurred because of these gun nut jobs hoarding ammunition out of fear.  Of course, they blamed their little self-created shortage on Obama anyway and still screamed, "They're coming for our guns!"

Again, as Ex noted, it's a false premise.

They are trying just haven't accomplished it yet because they're finding they're having to go the long way around. If you don't see what's going on it won't do any good to try to explain it because until it affects you you won't see it.

[Locutus]

They are trying just haven't accomplished it yet because they're finding they're having to go the long way around. If you don't see what's going on it won't do any good to try to explain it because until it affects you you won't see it.

You're just as nuts as he is. 

Everything I posted above is factual.   

[Henry Hawk]

Yeah, well, once I realized that he was just another right-wing moron unwilling to even consider the fact that his logic was flawed, I had no reason to engage him further.  I also don't engage crazy homeless people who wander around talking to themselves for pretty much the same reason.

BULLSHIT!  He merely was starting a conversation.  You didn't do shit until Y came to your rescue.  I guess people either have to think like you or they are not welcome here.....

You always claim you wanted more here.....THAT is why. I'm out too!

[Exterminator]

BULLSHIT!  He merely was starting a conversation.  You didn't do shit until Y came to your rescue.

That's not true at all; I was one of the first people to respond to his drivel.

I guess people either have to think like you or they are not welcome here.....

I have no control over who is or isn't welcome here nor do I really care whether or not people think like me.  I would, however, like it if they would simply think.

THAT is why. I'm out too!

Again?

[me]

You're just as nuts as he is. 

Everything I posted above is factual.

You can suggest or explain your view on a subject just as I or anyone else can but you cannot dictate what my opinion should be on it just as I cannot dictate to what yours should be. Name calling and put downs are totally uncalled for in a civil discussion and it becomes bullying rather than discussing and is no longer an exchange of ideas and views. Arguing is pointless but true discussion is a good thing.
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[Locutus]

Arguing is pointless but true discussion is a good thing.

The problem is that you, when factual data are presented, cast the data aside because they don't fit in with your view or opinion.  It's almost as bad as laying a black piece of paper down in front of you, and you claiming it's white just because that's your 'opinion' of the color. 

As Y, I, and others have said countless times around here, your opinion isn't valid unless it's based on facts, evidence, and logic. 

[me]

The problem is that you, when factual data are presented, cast the data aside because they don't fit in with your view or opinion.  It's almost as bad as laying a black piece of paper down in front of you, and you claiming it's white just because that's your 'opinion' of the color. 

As Y, I, and others have said countless times around here, your opinion isn't valid unless it's based on facts, evidence, and logic.

Not everyone can see things the same and some things which are presented as facts are, in actuallity, only theroies created by info plugged into a computer or polls taken which may have different outcomes when taken in different places with different people. If what you say is correct everyone would have to think alike and that just isn't going to happen.

[Locutus]

If what you say is correct everyone would have to think alike and that just isn't going to happen.

That's not remotely true either, and is exactly why Exterminator has said what he's said about you.