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Why don't politicians actually do something about gun deaths?

Started by DC3Cowboy, July 21, 2016, 09:52:32 AM

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Locutus

Quote from: DC3Cowboy on July 21, 2016, 06:29:35 PM

Both Heller and McDonald were 5-4. If the Court now becomes 5-4 liberal, they'll reverse both decisions.  No doubt about that at all.

True about the 5-4, but the court justices place a lot of weight on stare decisis.  That's why they're quizzed on it so much during confirmation hearings.   There's nothing sure in pure supposition about future court cases or rulings. 

BTW, I still don't buy your original premise that democrats are trying to disarm everyone.  That's just factually incorrect. You absolutely have zealots on both sides, but that's an extremely blanket statement to make.
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Locutus

Quote from: The Troll on July 21, 2016, 06:48:36 PM

  But will the Republican controlled House of Representatives do anything about it?  No!   :no: :no: :no:  Hell, they won't even pass a bill to keep people on the no fly list from buying a gun or a person on the terrorist list from buying guns.   :no: :no: :no: 


The no fly list is a no brainer in my opinion.  They need to get that legislation passed. 
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

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AbbyTC

Quote from: DC3Cowboy on July 21, 2016, 09:52:32 AM

Two out of three gun deaths are actually self-inflicted suicides, and as we all know, Democrats are big on the right to die, so they make no attempt to stop it. Of the remaining deaths, over 80% are inner city drug gangs killing each other, mostly in Democrat controlled big cities, and once again, Democrats make little to no attempt to stop it. In fact, until gun rights advocates pointed out who is actually committing all the US gun murders, we thought our streets weren't safe.


Hi DC3Cowboy!  Welcome aboard!  Would you please tell me where you got your stats from?  A link would be great for this.  TIA!
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DC3Cowboy

Quote from: AbbyTC on July 21, 2016, 07:49:22 PM
Hi DC3Cowboy!  Welcome aboard!  Would you please tell me where you got your stats from?  A link would be great for this.  TIA!

Thank you.

From the CDC: http://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/mortrate10_us.html

The FBI: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded/expanded-homicide-data

Heather MacDonald: http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-myths-of-black-lives-matter-1468087453

Plus dozens of others.

Look, we all know that the stats are correct. 2 out of 3 gun deaths are suicides and the vast majority of the murders are committed by inner city drug gangs, but the left always insists on endlessly quibbling over the stats in order to avoid talking about what we need to do, because they dread being viewed as racists.







DC3Cowboy

Quote from: Locutus on July 21, 2016, 07:25:54 PM
True about the 5-4, but the court justices place a lot of weight on stare decisis.  That's why they're quizzed on it so much during confirmation hearings.   There's nothing sure in pure supposition about future court cases or rulings. 

BTW, I still don't buy your original premise that democrats are trying to disarm everyone.  That's just factually incorrect. You absolutely have zealots on both sides, but that's an extremely blanket statement to make.

And I don't buy your premise that it's factually incorrect that Democrats want to disarm America. Both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton have said that the gun control system they want to implement is Australia's. Since I doubt that you know what this, allow me to tell you: Australia passed a law requiring everyone to register their firearms, all the while promising that they would not come after them. Then they almost immediately reneged on that promise and ordered all of them surrendered.

All those quotes I gave you are factual and all of them are sourced.

DC3Cowboy

Again, the real 'gun' problem in America is the inner city drug gang/criminal murders and that's where we need to take action.

me

Quote from: DC3Cowboy on July 21, 2016, 10:19:21 PM
Again, the real 'gun' problem in America is the inner city drug gang/criminal murders and that's where we need to take action.
Welcome DCeCowboy. I've been out of town so haven't been posting. Good to see someone on mine and HH's side finally. Probably won't post much for a few days while I get caught up on some things but look forward to posting with you.  :yes:
Trump 2020

DC3Cowboy

Quote from: me on July 21, 2016, 10:37:16 PM
Welcome DCeCowboy. I've been out of town so haven't been posting. Good to see someone on mine and HH's side finally. Probably won't post much for a few days while I get caught up on some things but look forward to posting with you.  :yes:

Thank you...Me!

Henry Hawk

Bump....

Quote from: DC3Cowboy on July 21, 2016, 05:28:21 PM
And still no one wants to address the OP.

Progressive liberal politicians want all sorts of new regulations, including so-called 'universal background checks', which means that if you give your brother a gun, you must first do a background check. Obviously no one would know if you did that, so the next step would be universal gun registration. Neither of course would prevent any of the suicide deaths or the gang murders so why do it, unless confiscation is the true goal?

If you won't (can't?) address the OP, I'll understand, but I will not respond to deflections, diversions, or quibbling over quote sources. They're in the link I provided.

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"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


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DC3Cowboy

The vast majority of gun murders are in our inner cities or coming from there and are committed by young black and Hispanic males. We know who they are and where they are so why aren't we making those streets safe by flooding them with cops and even the National Guard in places like South Chicago?

The biggest problem is, it is considered racist and politically incorrect to even name the culprits.

Henry Hawk

This is why it is hard to take the Black Lives Matter movement serious.

If they were truly concerned about Black Lives........then they would be protesting in Chicago and Baltimore.  Why isn't Sharpton or Jackson there screaming for help?

"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

DC3Cowboy

Heather Mac Donald is the Thomas W. Smith Fellow at the Manhattan Institute and a contributing editor of City Journal. She is a recipient of the 2005 Bradley Prize:


https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Imprimis_April16.pdf

DC3Cowboy

Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 22, 2016, 10:27:45 AM
This is why it is hard to take the Black Lives Matter movement serious.

If they were truly concerned about Black Lives........then they would be protesting in Chicago and Baltimore.  Why isn't Sharpton or Jackson there screaming for help?

This is a quote that tells it all, and it's one that progressive liberalism despises because it's true and the man who said it is unimpeachable:

"There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps... then turn around and see somebody white and feel relieved."


― Jesse Jackson


DC3Cowboy

This is what I meant about progressive liberalism supporting the right to die:


Vermont doctors push back against assisted-suicide requirement

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/21/vermont-doctors-push-back-against-assisted-suicide/


Apparently then, the only objection to suicide by firearm is the do-it-yourself method and the cost! A legal and lethal dose of secobarbital costs between $3,000 and $5,000. A round of 9mm costs under 30 cents.

Henry Hawk

Quote from: DC3Cowboy on July 22, 2016, 10:29:40 AM
Heather Mac Donald is the Thomas W. Smith Fellow at the Manhattan Institute and a contributing editor of City Journal. She is a recipient of the 2005 Bradley Prize:


https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Imprimis_April16.pdf
This is exactly what I have trying to relay on here for quite some time, but since it makes sense and goes against the liberal agenda, I'm a racist.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW