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Locutus

May 19, 2016, 05:12:59 PM
A place to discuss events as they play out.

Planes just don't fall out of the sky like that.  :no:
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Anne

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May 19, 2016, 07:58:42 PM
Looks like they probably got another one.
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Palehorse

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May 19, 2016, 08:11:50 PM
I'm thinking it is likely a surface to air missile. If the accounts in the media are correct it sounds like the pilots tried to do evasive maneuvers but were unsuccessful. Or perhaps the projectile clipped the aircraft and they just flat out lost control. . .

In any case it seems fairly clear that it is likely a terrorist act and not mechanical or systemic failure. . .

There was also a military aircraft that went down today during take off, I believe it was a C 130, but all aboard survived. . .
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Locutus

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May 20, 2016, 12:12:24 PM
Debris found.  Suitcases, seats, and remains.  Looks like the debris field is about 180 miles north of Alexandria, Egypt. 
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Locutus

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May 20, 2016, 12:38:33 PM
Quote from: Anne on May 19, 2016, 07:58:42 PM
Looks like they probably got another one.

I think that's the likely cause, although it's too early to tell with any certainty. To my knowledge, nobody has yet claimed responsibility. 
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The Troll

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May 20, 2016, 02:04:05 PM
Quote from: Locutus on May 20, 2016, 12:38:33 PM
I think that's the likely cause, although it's too early to tell with any certainty. To my knowledge, nobody has yet claimed responsibility.

  Even if this air crash is not caused by terrorist, I think that there should be a world wide law.  That law is anyone that is convicted of belonging to a terrorist group, that person should be put to death.   :hanged: :behead: :rifle:  :yes:  :mad:

Anne

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May 20, 2016, 03:05:27 PM
Quote from: Locutus on May 20, 2016, 12:38:33 PM
I think that's the likely cause, although it's too early to tell with any certainty. To my knowledge, nobody has yet claimed responsibility. 
I don't think any group has claimed responsibility yet. Maybe, if it was a bomb and not a missile, it was a "lone wolf".
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Palehorse

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May 20, 2016, 05:58:17 PM
ACARS data indicates smoke and heat behind the cockpit and on the copilot's window for 2 minutes before the aircraft was lost.

I believe this would be an indication of an electrical short or fire from an incendiary device perhaps. A bomb would have resulted in a breach of the shell and loss of pressure; neither of which are indicated. Same for a missile strike. . .  :confused:
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Locutus

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May 20, 2016, 06:17:26 PM
Might be something mechanical then.  Usually, terrorists rush to claim responsibility when it's their doing. 
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Purplelady1040

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May 21, 2016, 05:37:16 PM
Quote from: Locutus on May 20, 2016, 06:17:26 PM
Might be something mechanical then.  Usually, terrorists rush to claim responsibility when it's their doing.
True

Purplelady1040

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May 25, 2016, 05:26:33 AM
Heard on one of the news broadcasts that they are saying an explosion indicative of a bomb but airport personnel said an explosion could be a mechanical failure.

Locutus

#11
July 05, 2016, 12:44:52 PM
CVR data indicates that there was an attempt to put out a fire prior to the crash.  :spooked:

May not be terrorism after all. 
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Exterminator

#12
July 05, 2016, 12:58:41 PM
Quote from: Locutus on July 05, 2016, 12:44:52 PM
CVR data indicates that there was an attempt to put out a fire prior to the crash.  :spooked:

May not be terrorism after all.

But...but...but...how do we capitalize on the politics of fear if it wasn't terrorism?   :o
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Locutus

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July 05, 2016, 01:01:29 PM
Quote from: Exterminator on July 05, 2016, 12:58:41 PM
But...but...but...how do we capitalize on the politics of fear if it wasn't terrorism?   :o

Agreed, but don't expect Trump to retract his remarks. 

As an aside, it actually may be scarier that it wasn't an attack.  In the absence of terrorism, we now have an unexplained fire breaking out mid-flight on a widely used type of aircraft. 
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"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

Exterminator

#14
July 05, 2016, 01:31:44 PM
Quote from: Locutus on July 05, 2016, 01:01:29 PM
As an aside, it actually may be scarier that it wasn't an attack.  In the absence of terrorism, we now have an unexplained fire breaking out mid-flight on a widely used type of aircraft.

Aircraft fail for a variety of reasons all of the time.  There are no perfect systems.
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