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Started by AbbyTC, May 16, 2016, 12:26:52 AM

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AbbyTC

So President Obama issued a directive to schools to allow transgendered students to use the bathroom and locker rooms of the sex they identify with or they risk losing federal funding.  Along with that, Target has a new transgender bathroom policy. 

I have heard and read so many people having a problem with this.  Do they really think they have never shared a bathroom with a transgendered person before?  Then you have the people that think that men are just going to show up in the women's room and rape and abduct women and children.  Really!  If some guy wanted to do that, do you really think he would wait until Target made the announcement of their bathroom policy? 
In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: it goes on. Robert Frost

Perhaps the butterfly is proof that you can go through a great deal of darkness yet become something beautiful.

Purplelady1040

Quote from: AbbyTC on May 16, 2016, 12:26:52 AM
So President Obama issued a directive to schools to allow transgendered students to use the bathroom and locker rooms of the sex they identify with or they risk losing federal funding.  Along with that, Target has a new transgender bathroom policy. 

I have heard and read so many people having a problem with this.  Do they really think they have never shared a bathroom with a transgendered person before?  Then you have the people that think that men are just going to show up in the women's room and rape and abduct women and children.  Really!  If some guy wanted to do that, do you really think he would wait until Target made the announcement of their bathroom policy?
Agree. It would be the same as saying as I am not going to let a gay person serve or wait on me and they probably have.

Henry Hawk

My opinion is, this WASN'T a big deal, until the POTUS decided to issue a directive (or THREATEN) to the States....

I'm really sorry that we may possible "upset" less than .03% of the population, who has an issue with this....the bottom line is, that if you have a penis. YOU are without an argument by Science, a MALE.  If you have a Vagina, if is a FACT that you ARE A FEMALE.

No am not overly concerned that rape is going to skyrocket if we make some changes.......but I am concerned about the the other 99.3% of the population has a enormous amount of people who ARE uncomfortable that a person can present their "junk" in the girls locker room.  What about these people? Do they not have any rights?  Despite what you say or think, there WILL be some dudes in college or high school, who will SAY they are a woman, just to get in the girls locker room...There are some many MORE important fish to fry than this....

I blame the WH for making this a bigger issue than it should be.

and it is NOT the same a gay person serving someone.....not even close.

Aren't you guys the ones who insist we must accept science? like global warming?  Then why isn't science good enough for this?
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Exterminator

More GOP lawmakers have been arrested for sexual misconduct in public restrooms than transgender people.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

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Purplelady1040

Yes, it is the same if you have a person who is homophobic against gays  and thinks they will get AIDS just by a touch. No, I don't get into global warming. Never have, to me it is just the change in the seasons. People can call it whatever they want but I figure winter is cold, summer is hot, spring is between and fall is also. If that is global warming than so be it.

Henry Hawk

Quote from: Exterminator on May 16, 2016, 09:08:50 AM
More GOP lawmakers have been arrested for sexual misconduct in public restrooms than transgender people.

What does that have to do with allowing the opposite sex into locker rooms?  If a man wants to dress up in women's clothes, Fine. None of my business....But he shouldn't be allowed to display his junk in front of women, what about THEIR feelings?....

I can't believe we are even having this dialogue........it is the stupidest damn thing. It wasn't even much of an issue, until Obama threatens States to immediately accommodate these folks or else.  THAT is what bothers me.

Leave it to the States to decide if they want to spend money in every school or public place to accommodate....not a federal mandate.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

me

All this controversy over the transgender bathroom thing makes me wonder what is going on that we are being distracted from by something that should actually be a non issue. If transgenders were actually always going into the bathroom of choice then there is no problem except schools should be left out of it and to threaten to withhold funds is bullying any way you put it. He should not demand anything like that, that's what a dictator does.
Trump 2020

Exterminator

Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 16, 2016, 10:33:16 AM
What does that have to do with allowing the opposite sex into locker rooms?

Irony.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

AbbyTC

Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 16, 2016, 08:42:12 AM

I'm really sorry that we may possible "upset" less than .03% of the population, who has an issue with this....the bottom line is, that if you have a penis. YOU are without an argument by Science, a MALE.  If you have a Vagina, if is a FACT that you ARE A FEMALE.


HH, are you saying that if you have a penis you use the men's room and if you have a vagina you use the women's room?  What about the people who are transitioning?  You really want a woman (who is transitioning from a man) to go into the men's room when she looks completely like a woman because she still has a dick? 

We have a few transgender patrons at the library.  One is clearly transitioning from man to woman and I would never expect her to use the men's room. 
In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: it goes on. Robert Frost

Perhaps the butterfly is proof that you can go through a great deal of darkness yet become something beautiful.

Henry Hawk

Quote from: AbbyTC on May 16, 2016, 02:05:33 PM
HH, are you saying that if you have a penis you use the men's room and if you have a vagina you use the women's room?  What about the people who are transitioning?  You really want a woman (who is transitioning from a man) to go into the men's room when she looks completely like a woman because she still has a dick? 

We have a few transgender patrons at the library.  One is clearly transitioning from man to woman and I would never expect her to use the men's room. 

So because, less than .03% of the population is "Transgender"....we MUST accommodate them...

I am more concerned about a little girl, who sees a man dressed like a woman walk into a restroom, with his dick hanging out...what kind of trauma would that be for a small child?

and since this whole Pandora's box has been opened, there WILL be some perverts that WILL take advantage of this, and they WILL molest a child, when this happens, and it WILL, who will be the blame then?  Will Target be willing to have their ass sued when this happens?

As I said before, this wasn't even an issue, until the POTUS spouted off and declared all schools to do the "right thing" or lose federal aid.

Why don't we just have ONE restroom for every one?  Forget the Men or Womens?  Are you good with that?
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Purplelady1040

Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 16, 2016, 02:43:51 PM
So because, less than .03% of the population is "Transgender"....we MUST accommodate them...

I am more concerned about a little girl, who sees a man dressed like a woman walk into a restroom, with his dick hanging out...what kind of trauma would that be for a small child?

and since this whole Pandora's box has been opened, there WILL be some perverts that WILL take advantage of this, and they WILL molest a child, when this happens, and it WILL, who will be the blame then?  Will Target be willing to have their ass sued when this happens?

As I said before, this wasn't even an issue, until the POTUS spouted off and declared all schools to do the "right thing" or lose federal aid.

Why don't we just have ONE restroom for every one?  Forget the Men or Womens?  Are you good with that?
I would hope the man would go into a stall. Funny, that everyone is all up in arms over this but the chances of a child being molested by a complete stranger is very low. I would venture that 9 out of 10 victims of molestation know their abuser and within those odds, they are often family members.

Henry Hawk

Quote from: Purplelady1040 on May 16, 2016, 03:01:26 PM
I would hope the man would go into a stall. Funny, that everyone is all up in arms over this but the chances of a child being molested by a complete stranger is very low. I would venture that 9 out of 10 victims of molestation know their abuser and within those odds, they are often family members.

Probably true....but, you can't tell me that this won't encourage perverts to claim they are a woman, JUST so they can go into a womans restroom.........this whole thing is ridicules.

I say we must keep it simple.....if your packing, it is the mens room, if you aren't, its the womens.

If you don't know what you are........then be discreet about it...if a man is dressed like a woman, then he can quietly go into a stall....nobody knows any better.

I think this very small group who are complaining are raising a stink over this so THEY can be accommodated and to hell with the vast majority.....it just fails common sense.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Purplelady1040

Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 16, 2016, 03:33:15 PM
Probably true....but, you can't tell me that this won't encourage perverts to claim they are a woman, JUST so they can go into a womans restroom.........this whole thing is ridicules.

I say we must keep it simple.....if your packing, it is the mens room, if you aren't, its the womens.

If you don't know what you are........then be discreet about it...if a man is dressed like a woman, then he can quietly go into a stall....nobody knows any better.

I think this very small group who are complaining are raising a stink over this so THEY can be accommodated and to hell with the vast majority.....it just fails common sense.
I am not saying it won't encourage perverts but I think most will be discreet.

Locutus

Quote from: Purplelady1040 on May 16, 2016, 04:05:04 PM
I am not saying it won't encourage perverts but I think most will be discreet.

I think this risk is being WAY over played by the right-wing noise machine. 
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Henry Hawk

Quote from: Locutus on May 16, 2016, 04:19:43 PM
I think this risk is being WAY over played by the right-wing noise machine. 
I agree it is over played...

I think we wouldn't be talking about it at all, if the left-wing (obama) hadn't made it a FEDERAL issue...THAT is wrong.

"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW