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Started by Henry Hawk, February 16, 2016, 12:35:26 PM

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Exterminator

#15
February 17, 2016, 11:31:02 AM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 17, 2016, 11:27:31 AM
I am talking on HOW is it Bernie, loses by a twat hair in Iowa and beat that dog crap out of her in NH (by 40%), in EVERY category (age, race, sex, ect) and she has 300 delegate lead....All because of Super Delegates........which seems to me to be very, very shady.....

Why do you care?  Not your party; not your business.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Henry Hawk

#16
February 17, 2016, 11:31:44 AM
Quote from: Bo D on February 17, 2016, 11:06:29 AM
But you raised the question - "Why can't they just let the people who vote decide?" and I think it has implications beyond the primaries. If "the people who vote" decide a general election, then Bush wouldn't have been elected.
Short answer.......the general election is 50 states all decide who each states winner is...they get points for the size of the population of that state.

Now, back to this Super Delegate crap.  Convince me that this is a good thing.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Henry Hawk

#17
February 17, 2016, 11:49:28 AM
Quote from: Exterminator on February 17, 2016, 11:31:02 AM
Why do you care?  Not your party; not your business.
Why get nasty? I'm curious, that's all.  It is such a corrupt party, I guess I should just accept it.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Exterminator

#18
February 17, 2016, 12:26:15 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 17, 2016, 11:49:28 AM
Why get nasty? I'm curious, that's all.  It is such a corrupt party, I guess I should just accept it.

Yes, because the repubs all have halos; right?
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Henry Hawk

#19
February 17, 2016, 12:41:36 PM
Quote from: Exterminator on February 17, 2016, 12:26:15 PM
Yes, because the repubs all have halos; right?

Never said that, but you seem to want to avoid answering my question.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Exterminator

#20
February 17, 2016, 12:54:32 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 17, 2016, 12:41:36 PM
Never said that, but you seem to want to avoid answering my question.

Because your question is pejorative, sort of like asking someone if he still beats his wife.  This is how the Democrats have decided among themselves to pick their candidates; it should be of no concern to you.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Henry Hawk

#21
February 17, 2016, 02:58:04 PM
Quote from: Exterminator on February 17, 2016, 12:54:32 PM
Because your question is pejorative, sort of like asking someone if he still beats his wife.  This is how the Democrats have decided among themselves to pick their candidates; it should be of no concern to you.
Bull crap....it is not a pejorative question.  It is a simple question, How is it you seem to think that a Super Delegate is a fair process?  I really want to know. It seems to me like its only purpose is for the DNC to have control of who is nominated and NOT the people of given state.  IMO, that seems very, very crooked.  It should bother any decent citizen that is a democrat.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Locutus

#22
February 17, 2016, 03:27:14 PM
They've never determined the outcome of any primary process HH.
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Henry Hawk

#23
February 17, 2016, 03:35:38 PM
Quote from: Locutus on February 17, 2016, 03:27:14 PM
They've never determined the outcome of any primary process HH.
I know it isn't official until the convention....but,

according to several articles she leads bernie 359 to 8 delegates....

according to Politic..Sanders supporters revolt against superdelegates...they say she has a 350 point lead.

You guys STILL seem to dodge my question.....How is it you seem to think that a Super Delegate is a fair process?

That is all I want to know......I'm sure you have a good answer.....

"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Exterminator

#24
February 17, 2016, 03:38:55 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 17, 2016, 02:58:04 PM
How is it you seem to think that a Super Delegate is a fair process?  I really want to know. It seems to me like its only purpose is for the DNC to have control of who is nominated and NOT the people of given state.  IMO, that seems very, very crooked.  It should bother any decent citizen that is a democrat.

I'm not sure how many times I'd have to point this out to you before it finally sinks in but let's try one more time: Republican delegates are only "soft pledged" to vote based on the primaries.  If no candidate receives a clear majority of the delegates in the first ballot at the national convention, the delegates become free agents able to vote for whomever they want.  In other words, they can completely disregard the will of the voters.  How is that substantially different?
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Exterminator

#25
February 17, 2016, 03:41:36 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 17, 2016, 03:35:38 PM
You guys STILL seem to dodge my question.....How is it you seem to think that a Super Delegate is a fair process?

And you still seem to dodge mine: if the Democrats collectively decided that this is how we want to run our primary race and everyone agreed to it, what business is it of yours?  Are we not allowed to make these decisions for ourselves because it offends your sensibilities?
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Henry Hawk

#26
February 17, 2016, 03:44:19 PM
Quote from: Exterminator on February 17, 2016, 03:38:55 PM
I'm not sure how many times I'd have to point this out to you
Well, this is YOUR FIRST TIME.....so, uh...yeah.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Henry Hawk

#27
February 17, 2016, 03:45:50 PM
Quote from: Exterminator on February 17, 2016, 03:38:55 PM
I'm not sure how many times I'd have to point this out to you before it finally sinks in but let's try one more time: Republican delegates are only "soft pledged" to vote based on the primaries.  If no candidate receives a clear majority of the delegates in the first ballot at the national convention, the delegates become free agents able to vote for whomever they want.  In other words, they can completely disregard the will of the voters.  How is that substantially different?

Great now I got that song from ABBA, "Dancing Queen" stuck in my mind now!  :biggrin:
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Exterminator

#28
February 17, 2016, 04:05:33 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 17, 2016, 03:44:19 PM
Well, this is YOUR FIRST TIME.....so, uh...yeah.

Really?  To what did you think I was referring when I mentioned July?
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Henry Hawk

#29
February 17, 2016, 04:12:32 PM
Quote from: Exterminator on February 17, 2016, 04:05:33 PM
Really?  To what did you think I was referring when I mentioned July?

WHAT?!?! When did you mention JULY?

Wow!  Never mind...you obviously don't have a real answer for this one...so...eh.

I will see if Palehorse will give me an intelligent answer.......I'm not even trying to be a smart ass about this.......I just don't see HOW this is fair, and why many dems are okay with this obviously crooked process.  Bernie's people are not too happy about it right now.....
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW
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