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Apple vs. FBI

Started by Locutus, February 18, 2016, 01:41:27 PM

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Purplelady1040

#45
February 19, 2016, 07:04:21 PM
Quote from: Locutus on February 19, 2016, 06:56:57 PM
That's not true. 

They have until next Friday to respond to the judge's order as to why they shouldn't comply.  They can claim it's overly burdensome, or that it would hurt their bottom line profitability, etc.   A contempt of court won't be issued unless Apple fails to respond to the court order.  That response doesn't necessarily mean that they have to unlock the phone by next Friday.
I know they don't have to unlock the phone by next Friday but they have a week to respond to why they won't comply. I know it is not as simple as Poof, a court order and it should be done. It doesn't work that way.

Locutus

#46
February 19, 2016, 07:11:14 PM
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on February 19, 2016, 07:04:21 PM
I know they don't have to unlock the phone by next Friday but they have a week to respond to why they won't comply. I know it is not as simple as Poof, a court order and it should be done. It doesn't work that way.

This case could very well end up before the SCOTUS.
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Y

#47
February 19, 2016, 07:14:33 PM
Quote from: Locutus on February 19, 2016, 06:43:35 PM
I'm not 100% sure as to the accuracy of the statement I'm about to make, but that may have been true on previous versions of iOS, and not the most current iOS9.  Apple has beefed up security and encryption with each new release of iOS.

Also, from what I've read, the FBI isn't asking Apple to unlock (decrypt) the device.  They're asking for a special software bundle that would boot the iPhone into a mode that would disable the auto-erase feature I mentioned previously.  That, in turn, would allow the FBI to enter as many possible combinations as it wanted to (in other words brute force attack the device) without fear of the device self-destructing after 10 attempts.  How easy it would be to crack his pass code would be determined by the complexity of the pass code obviously.

Apparently the OS doesn't matter:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/02/17/apple-unlocked-iphones-for-the-feds-70-times-before.html?via=desktop&source=twitter

But as a general matter, yes, Apple could crack the iPhone for the government. And, two technical experts told The Daily Beast, the company could do so with the phone used by deceased San Bernardino shooter, Syed Rizwan Farook, a model 5C. It was running version 9 of the operating system.

Asking Apple to boot the phone like that is even less of a viable stand for Apple.
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Purplelady1040

#48
February 19, 2016, 07:31:29 PM
Don't know how credible this is and I am checking the source but supposedly John McAfee, developer of anti-virus software has offered to unlock the phone. This was told in a piece of Business Insider.

Y

#49
February 19, 2016, 07:54:50 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Writs_Act

On February 16, 2016, the Act was invoked again in an order that Apple Inc. create a special version of its iOS operating system, with certain security features removed, for Federal law enforcement officers to use as part of an investigation into the 2015 San Bernardino terrorist attack.[7] The head of the FBI stated that what was requested was that a feature be disabled, viz. that Apple disable the iPhone's feature to erase encrypted data on the device after 10 incorrect password attempts. Apple claimed that, were they to comply with this demand for automated password entry with no consequence for failed attempts, simple brute force password attacks would then be trivially easy for anyone with access to a phone using this software.[8]

Okay, in reading that, what the FBI is asking for would not endanger the general public's privacy nor create any of the other wild-eyed scenarios being pushed in the media. 

Does anyone actually think either Apple or the FBI is going to pass that software around to the public?  I don't think so.
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Law of Logical Argument - Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.  ;)

"You've probably noticed that opinion pollsters go out of their way to include as many morons as possible in surveys ... I think it's dangerous to inform morons about what their fellow morons are thinking. It only reinforces their opinions. And the one thing worse than a moron with an opinion is lots of them." -- Scott Adams

In other words: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  ;)

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

"Hitler is gone, but if the majority of our fellow citizens are more susceptible to the slogans of fear and race hatred than to those of peaceful accommodation and mutual respect among human beings, our political liberties remain at the mercy of any eloquent and unscrupulous demagogue." -- S. I. Hayakawa

Locutus

#50
February 19, 2016, 07:58:00 PM
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on February 19, 2016, 07:31:29 PM
Don't know how credible this is and I am checking the source but supposedly John McAfee, developer of anti-virus software has offered to unlock the phone. This was told in a piece of Business Insider.

I read something to that effect yesterday.
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Purplelady1040

#51
February 19, 2016, 08:24:50 PM
Quote from: Locutus on February 19, 2016, 07:58:00 PM
I read something to that effect yesterday.
It would be interesting to see if he does it. He claims he would do it free of charge and to keep peace with Apple

The Troll

#52
February 20, 2016, 12:38:12 PM


  I think this is one we can't let the FBI win completely.  They have to much power now.  Especially when they can put you in prison for lying to them.   :rant:

Exterminator

#53
February 24, 2016, 10:35:34 AM
"For those who believe in all of those elaborate conspiracy theories, reflect on the fact that the government can't unlock a goddamn iPhone."  :biggrin:
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Palehorse

#54
February 24, 2016, 04:49:08 PM
Quote from: Exterminator on February 24, 2016, 10:35:34 AM
"For those who believe in all of those elaborate conspiracy theories, reflect on the fact that the government can't unlock a goddamn iPhone."  :biggrin:

Exactly. Not even using an Enigma machine!  :biggrin:
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Locutus

#55
March 29, 2016, 01:34:07 PM
Looks like the FBI didn't need Apple after all. 

FBI cracks iPhone of San Bernardino shooter

I am curious - and I'm sure Apple is too - as to how they were able to do it with the assistance of the third party that offered them the solution. 
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

Exterminator

#56
March 30, 2016, 10:52:30 AM
Quote from: Locutus on March 29, 2016, 01:34:07 PM
Looks like the FBI didn't need Apple after all. 

Or did they?  I generally believe half of what I see and none of what I hear.   :wink:
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Locutus

#57
March 30, 2016, 08:08:22 PM
Quote from: Exterminator on March 30, 2016, 10:52:30 AM
Or did they?  I generally believe half of what I see and none of what I hear.   :wink:

Anything's possible, obviously, when these sorts of things crop up, but most of the articles I read say an Israeli phone forensics company helped them crack it.  Also, the BBC reported that the FBI is going to classify how they did it.  I'd say that's probably because they think they can use it again. 
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson
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