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[Exterminator]

WTF, indeed.   

[Palehorse]

WTF, indeed.   

Y'all Qaeda! 

[libby]

WTF, indeed.   

Y'all Qaeda! 

You never know what kind of nuts are lurking out there. Those resistance groups scare me. 

Anyway, reading that made me think about something that happened to me when my son and daughter were younger, maybe 10 or 15 years ago. We lived in an apartment complex. Below us there was a young woman with red hair down to her waist who did some singing at a local club. Her live in boyfriend had a classical music background, and performed at the same club. One day she approached me and said they were going to leave her two little children with his parents in Texas and go west (don't remember which state) and join a group of people who were going "underground" -- survivalists, I think she called them. She asked me to go with them because, as she said, my experience in working for doctors (which I was at the time) would make me useful in such a movement.

I thanked her for thinking of me but no thanks.  What I thought but didn't say was that nothing, no one, could make me give up/leave my children.

I've had some interesting offers, but that was probably the most unusual.

[Locutus]

I don't know why they don't just close off access to the area, shut off the power and water, and just let whatever 'provisions' they brought along to run out.  They would eventually come out.   

[Palehorse]

I don't know why they don't just close off access to the area, shut off the power and water, and just let whatever 'provisions' they brought along to run out.  They would eventually come out.

Don't worry. Those exact things are key components in the FED playbook. They'll get around to it. But I'm sure they don't want another Ruby Ridge or Waco scenario, so they're just trying to wait them out for the time being. 

[Palehorse]

You never know what kind of nuts are lurking out there. Those resistance groups scare me. 

Anyway, reading that made me think about something that happened to me when my son and daughter were younger, maybe 10 or 15 years ago. We lived in an apartment complex. Below us there was a young woman with red hair down to her waist who did some singing at a local club. Her live in boyfriend had a classical music background, and performed at the same club. One day she approached me and said they were going to leave her two little children with his parents in Texas and go west (don't remember which state) and join a group of people who were going "underground" -- survivalists, I think she called them. She asked me to go with them because, as she said, my experience in working for doctors (which I was at the time) would make me useful in such a movement.

I thanked her for thinking of me but no thanks.  What I thought but didn't say was that nothing, no one, could make me give up/leave my children.

I've had some interesting offers, but that was probably the most unusual.

I've always made a point of hiring former military in my career, but it can sometimes bring along baggage.

Two of the men presently serving on my team are "survivalists" and they stockpile arms, ammo, and supplies in preparation for the anarchy they are convinced is quickly approaching. The scary part is that there are times when I actually agree with some of their positions. . .    And I confess to actually doing some of the very same preparations as they are doing / have done. Just not to the extremes they have and are.

I wish I could share some of those conversations I've participated in with them. At times they are downright spooky to hear and know about. . . 

And I'm with you; there's no way I could leave my grandchildren like that woman you posted about. Nor my own children if they were not adults.    If I go off the grid they're coming with me or I won't go!

[AbbyTC]

I've always made a point of hiring former military in my career, but it can sometimes bring along baggage.

Two of the men presently serving on my team are "survivalists" and they stockpile arms, ammo, and supplies in preparation for the anarchy they are convinced is quickly approaching. The scary part is that there are times when I actually agree with some of their positions. . .    And I confess to actually doing some of the very same preparations as they are doing / have done. Just not to the extremes they have and are.

I wish I could share some of those conversations I've participated in with them. At times they are downright spooky to hear and know about. . . 

And I'm with you; there's no way I could leave my grandchildren like that woman you posted about. Nor my own children if they were not adults.    If I go off the grid they're coming with me or I won't go!

I have a friend who served in the military and he's a survivalist.  He and his wife have filled up their basement with cans and boxes of survival food they bought off the internet.  He also has a stockpile of ammunition and guns.  They also bought some land up on the mountain and he's planning on building a home up there for his family in preparation for the coming apocalypse. 

[Palehorse]

I have a friend who served in the military and he's a survivalist.  He and his wife have filled up their basement with cans and boxes of survival food they bought off the internet.  He also has a stockpile of ammunition and guns.  They also bought some land up on the mountain and he's planning on building a home up there for his family in preparation for the coming apocalypse.

Exactly. 

[Purplelady1040]

Maybe we should all do like your friend, Abby. Although, I don't know that I could go to that extreme. It is okay to learn survivalist skills but I don't know that I would go to the extremes like some have

[Exterminator]

Do any of these people actually think that scenario through?  The most likely apocalyptic scenario is nuclear war...how is a home on a mountain going to protect against that and what sort of world would it be afterwards anyway?

[Bo D]

Do any of these people actually think that scenario through?  The most likely apocalyptic scenario is nuclear war...how is a home on a mountain going to protect against that and what sort of world would it be afterwards anyway?

Exactly! Especially with the news from North Korea this morning.

[Palehorse]

Do any of these people actually think that scenario through?  The most likely apocalyptic scenario is nuclear war...how is a home on a mountain going to protect against that and what sort of world would it be afterwards anyway?

Of course they don't think it through. Emotional bovines rarely do. . . 

[AbbyTC]

Maybe we should all do like your friend, Abby. Although, I don't know that I could go to that extreme. It is okay to learn survivalist skills but I don't know that I would go to the extremes like some have

Learning survival skills is one thing, going to the extremes of hording food, guns, and ammunition is another.  Their food stash is good for 25 years; I have no idea how much ammunition and guns they have. 

[AbbyTC]

Do any of these people actually think that scenario through?  The most likely apocalyptic scenario is nuclear war...how is a home on a mountain going to protect against that and what sort of world would it be afterwards anyway?

That's what I never understood.  What help would a mountain home be in a nuclear war?  And if somehow you do survive with all your food, etc, when people come for help, will you help them or deny them?  It would be a very hard position to be in.

[Palehorse]

That's what I never understood.  What help would a mountain home be in a nuclear war?  And if somehow you do survive with all your food, etc, when people come for help, will you help them or deny them?  It would be a very hard position to be in.

A mountain "home" is useful only if it is within said mountain in the nuke scenario. Even then it is just a stopgap measure to avoid the eventual death due to fallout; even if you are nowhere near the detonation point. Short term survival of the initial event is increased substantially, however long term survival will be a drawn out death due to radiation poisoning. Even if you have water/food/meds and ammo.

Minus a nuke event, as in the case of anarchy/invasion; defense of higher ground is preferable and can provide distinct advantages.