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Rowan County Kentucky Clerk of the Court, Kim Davis

Started by Locutus, September 03, 2015, 02:28:56 PM

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Quote from: AbbyTC on September 13, 2015, 04:43:08 PM
Henry Hawk, is he justified in not doing his job?
If a person is a Christian Scientist he would not become a  pharmacist so that particular situation would not happen.
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Henry Hawk

Quote from: AbbyTC on September 13, 2015, 04:43:08 PM
Henry Hawk, is he justified in not doing his job?


First of all, I'm not sure if that cartoon is true or not.........but, I'm not sure ANY pharmacist will be in business very long if they don't fill prescriptions.....so, I really don't see a problem here....

Kind of a stupid point you are making if you ask me.
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Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 14, 2015, 08:08:24 AM

First of all, I'm not sure if that cartoon is true or not.........but, I'm not sure ANY pharmacist will be in business very long if they don't fill prescriptions.....so, I really don't see a problem here....

Kind of a stupid point you are making if you ask me.

Does not matter if it is a true situation or not; for if it isn't it soon will be.

Secondly, most pharmacists these days are not working for their own business, but rather for a corporate conglomerate that owns the chain of stores they work for. Just like everyone else. These entities long won the war against the independent pharmacists within most, if not all major cities in this nation. The lone hold-outs, if any, exist within rural small town America. And even their days are numbered as the health insurance industry continues to mandate the purchase of all maintenance prescriptions via a mail order pharmacy. I doubt many privately owned pharmacies are surviving on antibiotic prescriptions for respiratory and other types of infection(s) and pain killers. And if they are they are just one pill-head induced robbery from ruination.

So the point is indeed a very valid one. You are Joe/Jane pharmacist working for Dopers Are Us Corporation, presented with this scenario. What is the answer?

Forget the Christian Scientist. You are hard line Christian and have been presented with a legal prescription for an at home abortion inducing compound. What is the answer?
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AbbyTC

Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 14, 2015, 08:08:24 AM

First of all, I'm not sure if that cartoon is true or not.........but, I'm not sure ANY pharmacist will be in business very long if they don't fill prescriptions.....so, I really don't see a problem here....

Kind of a stupid point you are making if you ask me.

Not really.  It just shows the stupidity of people who work in the public sector (whether a government employee, a business owner, or an employee) and want to discriminate against others because of their religious beliefs. Why is it ok to discriminate if it's a business that you own or work for, but not ok if you're a government employee? 
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All she had to do was allow someone else in the office to issue the licenses who didn't have a problem with it rather than quit issuing them altogether. They need to start going after the sanctuary city mayors next.
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Purplelady1040

Quote from: me on September 15, 2015, 01:19:33 AM
All she had to do was allow someone else in the office to issue the licenses who didn't have a problem with it rather than quit issuing them altogether. They need to start going after the sanctuary city mayors next.
They can't go after her mayor. He or she has nothing to do with laws that are state or federal.

Bo D

Quote from: me on September 15, 2015, 01:19:33 AM
All she had to do was allow someone else in the office to issue the licenses who didn't have a problem with it rather than quit issuing them altogether.

That isn't entirely true. She has claimed that any license issued without her name on it is invalid.

"Their license had Davis' name removed and the words "pursuant to federal court order" added to it. She questioned the validity of licenses issued without her authority, but the governor and the county attorney have said that licenses issued to gay couples by the deputies will be valid."
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/kentucky-clerk-kim-davis-says-she-wont-stop-deputies-marriage-n426836
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The Troll



  Only something like this stupid action, it could only happen in Kentucky.   :music1: :guitarist: :music1: :boohoo: :music1:  A little drum roll.   :drummer: :groan:

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Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 11, 2015, 07:59:55 AM
Can you read?

Your problem is the same as the rest of the uneducated hicks in this country - you don't have clue, and won't acknowledge, this country's government is based upon Rights and the Rule of Law and NOT on religion or any other of your insipid RW stupidity of the masses. 

IF you remember, you're one who is ALWAYS leaning on the logical fallacy of Appeal to Popularity and thinking just because lots of idiots like you agree on some piece of ignorance and stupidity that's the way it should be - regardless if it violates anyone else's rights or the rule of law.

The founders of this country did their damnedest to form a government that avoided a pure democracy and the rule of the mob because - in their foresight - they knew there would be lots of idiots like you who would just as soon have tyranny of the masses as as opposed to a government respecting human rights and the rule of law.

That you have no use for what the founders managed to do has been obvious from you for years.  You and your ilk are as anti-american as the day is long, as evidenced by your continuous support of ideology, propaganda, and maniacs bent on violating the basic tenets this country was founded on.  You can't be content simply having your freedom, you want to control everyone else's.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it!   :razz:

:biggrin:
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Henry Hawk

I think Alzheimers may be setting in on you my friend.... :razz:

You pretty much just make up things you assume I stand for, then lash out with all sorts of name calling crap.... :no:

You have NO clue to what I stand for or what I believe.....you just stereotype you thoughts about people and go at it.

I will give you a sample in your style,

You say "You can't be content simply having your freedom, you want to control everyone else's." .... but YOU are in favor of Gun Control, the "fairness doctrine", tons and tons of regulations, taxes upon taxes to control the masses.....

Seems to me YOU want to control everyone and not simply enjoy our freedoms... ;)
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


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Y

Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 15, 2015, 05:01:42 PM
.... but YOU are in favor of Gun Control...

"HAH!" (TM)

I admit I'm in favor of gun control.  It's a public safety issue, ergo a public health issue.

First off, let's start with the Constitution, because that's always the jumping off point for gun nuts.

The Second Amendment of the United States Constitution reads: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

That phrase of the Second Amendment can be interpreted as the right of the States to organize well REGULATED militia's and the right of those people in those militias to bear arms shall not be infringed.

Another interpretation can also be what constitute 'arms'. Arms could be limited to spears, swords, and knives without infringing on the spirit of the Second Amendment.

Now my idea of gun control is to eliminate any sort of automatic/semi-automatic weapon.  That in itself would tend to eliminate most 'mass' killings - yeah, I know you can carry multiple revolvers but it's not as easy as using semi-autos.  Doing that still won't reduce anyone's ability for self-protection or hunting.

It's as I've pointed out before, you either accept that there are Second Amendment limitations or there aren't.  IF you accept there aren't, then you accept the idea that your neighbor et al can have WMD's and nuke your sorry arse.   :biggrin:
©  Whamma-Jamma - all rights reserved

Law of Logical Argument - Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.  ;)

"You've probably noticed that opinion pollsters go out of their way to include as many morons as possible in surveys ... I think it's dangerous to inform morons about what their fellow morons are thinking. It only reinforces their opinions. And the one thing worse than a moron with an opinion is lots of them." -- Scott Adams

In other words: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  ;)

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

"Hitler is gone, but if the majority of our fellow citizens are more susceptible to the slogans of fear and race hatred than to those of peaceful accommodation and mutual respect among human beings, our political liberties remain at the mercy of any eloquent and unscrupulous demagogue." -- S. I. Hayakawa

Purplelady1040

Quote from: The Troll on September 15, 2015, 04:13:12 PM

  Only something like this stupid action, it could only happen in Kentucky.   :music1: :guitarist: :music1: :boohoo: :music1:  A little drum roll.   :drummer: :groan:
Not all from Kentucky support this clerk as a matter of fact most don't. She by no means speaks for most people of Kentucky who feel she needs to go. She was given a job to do and if she refuses than she should go! She just wants her 15 minutes of fame and is using her religion to make a point. Problem is that anyone who has been married (4) times and had kids by her 3rd. husband while still married to her first is no authority on marriage. Religion wrapped in bigotry is still bigotry and that is all she is, plain and simple!

Locutus

I wonder if the voters of Rowan County will oust her ass next time.  She's not up for another 3+ years.  That's plenty of time for them to develop amnesia as to what's happened, and vote her back in.  After all, that office has been in her family for decades now. 
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Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 15, 2015, 05:01:42 PM
.... but YOU are in favor of..the "fairness doctrine"...

I don't know why you RW morons ever had a problem with the Fairness Doctrine because it insured your ridiculous stupidity was given air time.  Really, I do know...it's because you're authoritarians and can't stand hearing anything that shows and refutes your insanity.   :biggrin:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairness_Doctrine

The Fairness Doctrine was a policy of the United States Federal Communications Commission (FCC), introduced in 1949, that required the holders of broadcast licenses to both present controversial issues of public importance and to do so in a manner that was, in the Commission's view, honest, equitable and balanced.
©  Whamma-Jamma - all rights reserved

Law of Logical Argument - Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.  ;)

"You've probably noticed that opinion pollsters go out of their way to include as many morons as possible in surveys ... I think it's dangerous to inform morons about what their fellow morons are thinking. It only reinforces their opinions. And the one thing worse than a moron with an opinion is lots of them." -- Scott Adams

In other words: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  ;)

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

"Hitler is gone, but if the majority of our fellow citizens are more susceptible to the slogans of fear and race hatred than to those of peaceful accommodation and mutual respect among human beings, our political liberties remain at the mercy of any eloquent and unscrupulous demagogue." -- S. I. Hayakawa

Purplelady1040

Quote from: Locutus on September 15, 2015, 05:57:49 PM
I wonder if the voters of Rowan County will oust her ass next time.  She's not up for another 3+ years.  That's plenty of time for them to develop amnesia as to what's happened, and vote her back in.  After all, that office has been in her family for decades now.
They could but I think the Governor may have the legislators when they convene in January decide to remove her. He didn't want to call a "special" session as it would cost the taxpayers extra. Time will tell!