Duggar's 19 Kids and Counting Canceled

[Purplelady1040]

That is what they said!  I watched the interview.....THAT IS WHAT THE GIRLS SAID! How is that a lie?  Just because YOU READ something....I heard it from the sisters MOUTHS on National TV!

DAMN!

Regardless whether they were awake or asleep, it was abuse!

[Henry Hawk]

Regardless whether they were awake or asleep, it was abuse!

I think abuse is overplayed here....yes it was wrong, but in this case, copping a feel is NOT abuse...a kid should NOT go to jail because of this....he may need his ass whipped, but ruining a kids life over this is just as wrong.  He didn't sexually molest them.....he touched them.  I don't know why this is even an issue...other than the fact they are Christian, and people LOVE IT when a Christian screws up.

The definition of abuse is .....treat (a person or an animal) with cruelty or violence, especially regularly or repeatedly.....

I don't this he was being violent or cruel...he was being slightly perverted, but he is also a goofy teenager, who has hormones popping.  He KNEW he was doing wrong and he told his parents about it.  They made sure he was not alone with them....they even made him leave the home for a short while.

For the life of me, I think this is the most over-talked about story....

I am tapping out on this one....I have said what I could say....it don't mean squat in the grand scheme of things. 

[Purplelady1040]

I think abuse is overplayed here....yes it was wrong, but in this case, copping a feel is NOT abuse...a kid should NOT go to jail because of this....he may need his ass whipped, but ruining a kids life over this is just as wrong.  He didn't sexually molest them.....he touched them.  I don't know why this is even an issue...other than the fact they are Christian, and people LOVE IT when a Christian screws up.

The definition of abuse is .....treat (a person or an animal) with cruelty or violence, especially regularly or repeatedly.....

I don't this he was being violent or cruel...he was being slightly perverted, but he is also a goofy teenager, who has hormones popping.  He KNEW he was doing wrong and he told his parents about it.  They made sure he was not alone with them....they even made him leave the home for a short while.

For the life of me, I think this is the most over-talked about story....

I am tapping out on this one....I have said what I could say....it don't mean squat in the grand scheme of things. 

It was abuse. Power over someone who can not or is afraid to say no is abuse. It wasn't copping a feel but power over victims who are too scared to say anything!
Abuse can be physical,  verbal, mental or even emotional!

[Exterminator]

...copping a feel is NOT abuse...  He didn't sexually molest them.....he touched them.

Are you people for real?

[Henry Hawk]

It was abuse. Power over someone who can not or is afraid to say no is abuse. It wasn't copping a feel but power over victims who are too scared to say anything!
Abuse can be physical,  verbal, mental or even emotional!

THEY WERE ASLEEP!  If they were awake and they told him NO, then YES, that is abuse.....

We are NOT TALKING about an adult here.  WE are talking about a KID.  A kid who made a bad choice. He is NOT a sexual predator...hopefully he learned a lesson.  He went to the police station, the police scolded him. He was made to leave the home.  He is NOW being publicly shamed....all for being a curious kid.

I would be everything if this show wasn't about a Christian family...it would have NEVER made the news.

[Bo D]

THEY WERE ASLEEP! 

Here we go yet again ... repeat a lie until it becomes the truth. 

[Purplelady1040]

THEY WERE ASLEEP!  If they were awake and they told him NO, then YES, that is abuse.....

We are NOT TALKING about an adult here.  WE are talking about a KID.  A kid who made a bad choice. He is NOT a sexual predator...hopefully he learned a lesson.  He went to the police station, the police scolded him. He was made to leave the home.  He is NOW being publicly shamed....all for being a curious kid.

I would be everything if this show wasn't about a Christian family...it would have NEVER made the news.

Nope, they weren't asleep all the time but what difference does it make because it would still be abuse. Awake or asleep, it is abuse.. You seem to think if they are awake it wouldn't have been abuse. Abuse happens to those awake and asleep.

[Henry Hawk]

Here we go yet again ... repeat a lie until it becomes the truth. 

"He said he was just curious about girls and he had gone in and just basically touched them over their clothes while they were sleeping; they didn't even know he had done it,"



From his sisters Jill and Jessa:
"Well, I think in the case of what Josh did, it was very wrong. I'm not going to justify anything that he did or say it was ok, not permissible, but I do want to speak up in his defense against people who are calling him a child molester or a pedophile or a rapist, some people are saying. I'm like that is so overboard and a lie really, I mean people get mad at me for saying that but I can say this because I was one of the victims. So I can speak out and I can say this and set the record straight here. Like in Josh's case, he was a boy, a young boy in puberty and a little too curious about girls. And that got him into some trouble. And he made some bad choices, but really the extent of it was mild, inappropriate touching, on fully clothed victims, most of it while girls were sleeping"

From his sister Jill: "We didn't even know about it until he went and confessed it to my parents."......"It wasn't like we were keeping a secret afraid or something. We didn't know until Josh explained to my parents what his thought process was, what everything was..."

"And then, you know, my parents explained to us what happened and then Josh came and asked each of us, individually I know, he asked me to forgive him," she said. "And I had to make that choice to forgive him, you know. And it wasn't something that somebody forced like, 'Oh you need to do this.' It's like, 'You have to make that decision for yourself.'"

"My dad explained to us, 'You know there's a difference between forgiveness and trust. That's not the same thing.' You know, you forgive someone and then you have boundaries. Forgiveness with boundaries. And so trust comes later. You know Josh destroyed that trust at the beginning.  And so he had to rebuild that. And so I think when he came back, that was...the point of rebuilding."

The sisters also explained what "safeguards" were put in place in their home, including "locks on doors, you know, everybody's in bed. Girls in the girl's room. Boys in the boy's room,"

Tell me Bo, where am I lying? 

[Exterminator]

THEY WERE ASLEEP!  If they were awake and they told him NO, then YES, that is abuse.....

So, I guess Bill Cosby didn't abuse any women either; huh?

[Exterminator]

We are NOT TALKING about an adult here.  WE are talking about a KID.  A kid who made a bad choice.

But Trayvon Martin was a man; right?

[Exterminator]

I'm sure nobody coached the girls on what to say before they were interviewed.   

[me]

So, I guess Bill Cosby didn't abuse any women either; huh?

There is a slight difference between being an adult and druging someone and childhood curiosity. This is a far cry from sexual abuse and by no means should anythig be pursued at this point against this boy. If that is the case then most boys of that age should be charged with sexual abuse because they are all curious as well as some, well now days, most girls.

[me]

But Trayvon Martin was a man; right?

Why bring that into it? He was 17 not 15.

[Henry Hawk]

So, I guess Bill Cosby didn't abuse any women either; huh?

How are you comparing THIS to Bill Cosby?  Cosby (a grown man) has had 37 women step up and make some serious accusations..........Josh Duggar ( a 13-ear old) had his two sisters TELL exactly what happened.

Cosby, drugged and  sexually assaulted several women.........Josh, copped a feel, through the clothing of his sister, WHILE she was a sleep.

Are YOU for real?  are you that ignorant by trying to compare these two cases?


REALLY??

I know for a fact there HAS got to be somebody else on this forum who see's this claim as outrageous, but more than likely you will stick to gather and be silent...

[The Troll]

Where the hell is your brain?  You really think those girls, let alone anyone else who has been sexually abused didn't mind it happening?  They have been touched without their permission, put into a situation they never asked to be in.  This will stay with them for the rest of their lives.

  Oh, Oh, Oh, you poor fragile women.  You'll never get over having your breast touched or your butt patted.  Woooooooooooooo is me.        It is amazing how many women and girls will screw some worthless man and get pregnant.  A man who you thought was so cool, little bad and good looking.  But after they have these bastard children.  They want a good hard working man to take care of them and their bastard kids.          You women are so helpless, hopeless, fragile, I don't know how you have survived so long.