Flags or Symbols of Hate and Racial Discrimination?

[Henry Hawk]

Where does it say anything about racism there?  The guy who developed the banner said this:

"We're rednecks, but we're not racists."

Okay...follow me now...THAT is WHY I said, it must be okay that "REDNECKS or not racists if they vote democrat"..... Had a republican redneck say they were not racist, you wouldn't believe him for a second. 

Hence my comment about hypocrisy...that is HUGE right now, over this whole debacle.

[Locutus]

I don't necessarily believe that guy either for what it's worth. 

----V

Nobody, especially me, said anything like that.  Having been around rednecks more than a few times, I can assure you that the majority of them certainly are racists regardless of their political affiliation. 

[Locutus]

Actually, you yourself may be considered a redneck. 

Historian Patrick Huber, an expert on Southern U.S. culture, describes the term "redneck" as a "slur" referring to "a poor white man of the American South, and particularly one who holds conservative, reactionary or racist views." Ken Bagwell, a writer for the Asheville Tribune says that "rednecks" are "white, and the vast majority of them are working class (blue-collar). Some are college degreed, some are not." Even the dictionary has very little flattering to say. Merriam-Webster defines "redneck" as "a white person who lives in a small town or in the country especially in the southern U.S., who typically has a working-class job, and who is seen by others as being uneducated and having opinions and attitudes that are offensive."



http://classroom.synonym.com/origin-word-redneck-11667.html

[Exterminator]

Actually, you yourself may be considered a redneck. 

May be?   

[Locutus]

[Palehorse]

The whole point about this is that this nation needs to put to rest, once and for all, the scourge of its history.

The whole "confederacy" thing, its symbology and history, has been treated as code for the continuation of racism and has been acceptable within the nodd and a wink portion of our civilization for far too long now.

It should be something we, as a nation, should be ashamed of; but instead we've accommodated it for well over a century and become blinded to it.

All of this straw man methodology is being used to somehow justify the continuation of something just as bad as what took place in Nazi Germany.

The saddest thing about it is it is not the only genocide committed in a frenzy of hatred and racism, in the name of this country!

[me]

There is still the fact that a democrat designed it and the party adopted it, check the links I posted. In spite of what ya'll chose to believe there are liberal racists they just try to baffle with B S and talk their way around it. The accuser is almost always the doer and that happens to be so in this case. We have a true divide and conquer thing going on and those of you who call yourselves "critical thinkers" don't even see it.

[Palehorse]

There is still the fact that a democrat designed it and the party adopted it, check the links I posted. In spite of what ya'll chose to believe there are liberal racists they just try to baffle with B S and talk their way around it. The accuser is almost always the doer and that happens to be so in this case. We have a true divide and conquer thing going on and those of you who call yourselves "critical thinkers" don't even see it.

1. Show me where I inferred or stated this was a political issue with one side holding more blame than another. I did not. YOU are the one that made this a indictment of political parties. Not me.

2. We're talking about a battle flag created to identify those within the theatre of operations that held the position supporting the continuation of enslavement of human beings and a culture of hatred; and it's shameful legacy and the resultant sullying of this nation over 150 years later.

3. You want to talk hypocrisy, there is plenty of it to go around in this country. And I don't give a flying fuck what political party you want to talk about. They all shoulder the weight of this shameful burden and have since its inception. Including each and every one of us. If you aren't a part of the solution then you are the problem.

4. Your attempt to cloud the issue with political rancor is shameful.

That fucking flag is the equivalent of flying the Nazi Flag in my view. It represents one thing and one thing only; hatred rooted in racism. It has never flown or been worn in any fashion by this poster, and it never will be. (Nor was it ever displayed, owned, or possessed by my parents; both of whom hailed from the south).

Each and every individual I have known that has owned it, flown it, worn it, or displayed it via any means, harbored racist viewpoints. Some covertly and some very publicly. And some also wore the Nazi symbols via tattoos of them upon their bodies. None of these individuals are a part of my life, and their time within it was greatly abbreviated.

Anyone trying to validate the continued display of the battle flag in question here, is endorsing hatred and racial discrimination; whether they do so lucidly or not.

I do not care what political party they swear allegiance to. It was wrong, is wrong, and always will be wrong.

[me]

I could have been posting about anyone on this forum or in general so why did you take what I said personal. There are those who act like "all" conservatives and "only" conservatives are racist and you know it. If that has never been an accusation you have made or even thought you should have known I was not talking about you personally. 

1. Show me where I inferred or stated this was a political issue with one side holding more blame than another. I did not. YOU are the one that made this a indictment of political parties. Not me.

2. We're talking about a battle flag created to identify those within the theatre of operations that held the position supporting the continuation of enslavement of human beings and a culture of hatred; and it's shameful legacy and the resultant sullying of this nation over 150 years later.

3. You want to talk hypocrisy, there is plenty of it to go around in this country. And I don't give a flying fuck what political party you want to talk about. They all shoulder the weight of this shameful burden and have since its inception. Including each and every one of us. If you aren't a part of the solution then you are the problem.

4. Your attempt to cloud the issue with political rancor is shameful.

That fucking flag is the equivalent of flying the Nazi Flag in my view. It represents one thing and one thing only; hatred rooted in racism. It has never flown or been worn in any fashion by this poster, and it never will be. (Nor was it ever displayed, owned, or possessed by my parents; both of whom hailed from the south).

Each and every individual I have known that has owned it, flown it, worn it, or displayed it via any means, harbored racist viewpoints. Some covertly and some very publicly. And some also wore the Nazi symbols via tattoos of them upon their bodies. None of these individuals are a part of my life, and their time within it was greatly abbreviated.

Anyone trying to validate the continued display of the battle flag in question here, is endorsing hatred and racial discrimination; whether they do so lucidly or not.

I do not care what political party they swear allegiance to. It was wrong, is wrong, and always will be wrong.

[Palehorse]

I could have been posting about anyone on this forum or in general so why did you take what I said personal. There are those who act like "all" conservatives and "only" conservatives are racist and you know it. If that has never been an accusation you have made or even thought you should have known I was not talking about you personally.

My topic. . . and your response followed mine immediately; both at the opening and on the current page.

It is for this exact reason, use of the "quote" feature is highly advised.

[Locutus]

There are those who act like "all" conservatives and "only" conservatives are racist and you know it.

If you are directing that at anyone on this forum, you'd be wrong.  I'll guarantee you nobody here takes that position at all. 

[Palehorse]

Gee and look who it was designed by. http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/8-things-didnt-know-confederate-flag/
http://bioguide.congress.gov/scripts/biodisplay.pl?index=M000707

And just for good measure.
http://www.encyclopediaofalabama.org/article/h-1477
Now tell me again how dems aren't racist.

Although I don't believe for one second it represents racism to everyone that particular meaning seems to be the one that stuck with some people and they are using it to stir the pot at this point. I've seen blacks wear it on their clothing and have it in the rear windows of their vehicles.

At the point you posted the above, (the first posting following the opening one I made to start it), you attempted to make this subject about political indictments. Use of the quoting feature here would have been moot, since it could serve only one of two possible purposes:

• Creating a straw man argument in order to obscure the obviously correct position of the initial posting.
• Purposeful baiting of other membership as a means to take the topic off into the deep weeds and bury the original statements.

So exactly which was your intended purpose. There was no one else to have been responding to at that point. . . 

That was followed by a number of postings by members, some of which you attempted to respond to at first, and then a larger number of back and forth between them; which elicited this response from me:

The whole point about this is that this nation needs to put to rest, once and for all, the scourge of its history.

The whole "confederacy" thing, its symbology and history, has been treated as code for the continuation of racism and has been acceptable within the nodd and a wink portion of our civilization for far too long now.

It should be something we, as a nation, should be ashamed of; but instead we've accommodated it for well over a century and become blinded to it.

All of this straw man methodology is being used to somehow justify the continuation of something just as bad as what took place in Nazi Germany.

The saddest thing about it is it is not the only genocide committed in a frenzy of hatred and racism, in the name of this country!

15 minutes later you posted this:

There is still the fact that a democrat designed it and the party adopted it, check the links I posted. In spite of what ya'll chose to believe there are liberal racists they just try to baffle with B S and talk their way around it. The accuser is almost always the doer and that happens to be so in this case. We have a true divide and conquer thing going on and those of you who call yourselves "critical thinkers" don't even see it.

No quotation, so the assumption for 99% of the readers here would have been reasonable in thinking it was in response to the post right above it; mine.

Now, personally I tend to believe your response to this post by me: (In response directly to your quoted post above)

1. Show me where I inferred or stated this was a political issue with one side holding more blame than another. I did not. YOU are the one that made this a indictment of political parties. Not me.

2. We're talking about a battle flag created to identify those within the theatre of operations that held the position supporting the continuation of enslavement of human beings and a culture of hatred; and it's shameful legacy and the resultant sullying of this nation over 150 years later.

3. You want to talk hypocrisy, there is plenty of it to go around in this country. And I don't give a flying fuck what political party you want to talk about. They all shoulder the weight of this shameful burden and have since its inception. Including each and every one of us. If you aren't a part of the solution then you are the problem.

4. Your attempt to cloud the issue with political rancor is shameful.

That fucking flag is the equivalent of flying the Nazi Flag in my view. It represents one thing and one thing only; hatred rooted in racism. It has never flown or been worn in any fashion by this poster, and it never will be. (Nor was it ever displayed, owned, or possessed by my parents; both of whom hailed from the south).

Each and every individual I have known that has owned it, flown it, worn it, or displayed it via any means, harbored racist viewpoints. Some covertly and some very publicly. And some also wore the Nazi symbols via tattoos of them upon their bodies. None of these individuals are a part of my life, and their time within it was greatly abbreviated.

Anyone trying to validate the continued display of the battle flag in question here, is endorsing hatred and racial discrimination; whether they do so lucidly or not.

I do not care what political party they swear allegiance to. It was wrong, is wrong, and always will be wrong.

. . .Is nothing more than your signature attempt at feigning innocence over a purposeful and targeted response, however off topic or out in the deep weeds it is, as a means to pull cat litter over that great big steaming turd you created. 

And I maintain that my response remains proper and correct.

[me]

Okay, just to prove my point that liberals are merely demagoguing the Charleston shooting for political points are NOW calling for "Gone with the Wind" to be chastised. 

Really...don't get me wrong, I never liked the movie....it is too long and boring, but it is STILL a classic film that won eight academy awards.....what is next?  The American Flag?

Not only that they are up in arms over Dukes Of Hazard now too.

[me]

Oh for cryin' out loud. Now they're bitchin' about Uncle Ben's rice and Aunt Jemima syrup. How ridiculous. Oh, and here's more http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/racially-insensitive-article-1.2270225   

[Exterminator]

1. Show me where I inferred or stated this was a political issue with one side holding more blame than another. I did not. YOU are the one that made this a indictment of political parties. Not me.

The two forum clowns do that with virtually every subject here because they're good little Fox News minions.